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comparo: "One step down from king-of-the-hill"

liking their approach of not-quite-top-drawer - if not their choice of competitors
One step down from king-of-the-hill supersedans,
these five aim to offer a balance of boardroom refinement and back-road frolicsomeness

from the May 2017 issue of Car & Driver

direct to page7 charts
_____as tested / "base"____________
1st - $91,175 / 73,325 - 396hp/394tq
2nd
- $75,885 / 61,690 - 420hp/430tq
3rd - $72,175 / 68,550 - 340hp/325tq
4th - $82,610 / 57,445 - 335hp/332tq
5th - $77,535 / 67,195 - 380hp/332tq

ie Mercedes-AMG E43 4Matic / Cadillac CTS V-Sport / Audi A6 3.0T Competition / BMW 540i / Jaguar XF S AWD
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untested: MKZ [BL] 3.0Awd+DriversPkg (as "base")
??? - $60,820* / 55,955 - 400hp/400tq
* ClimatePkg, cargonet, TechnoPkg, ChromaFlare paint; just std moonroof not opt. pano-roof (for weight)
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also untested: discontinued Lexus GS
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not sure about others nor their prices-VS-hp
Maserati Ghibli, Porsche Panamera, A7, a 5er GT or even 6er GranCoupe, or MB CLS...

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Re: comparo: "One step down from king-of-the-hill"

"Eight candidates met our initial criteria, though we decided that Lincoln’s new *Continental is more of a luxury car than a sports sedan."

So let's see how Continental competes based on sales, not being a 'sports sedan'.

XF: 1,686
CTS: 3,359
Continental: 4,212
A6: 5,186
5-Series: 9,754
E-Class: 15,726

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Re: comparo: "One step down from king-of-the-hill"

Shame,
the Conti undercuts them all significantly in price, yet bests all but one significantly in power. But it is not worthy of competing here, because it offers too much luxury.

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Re: comparo: "One step down from king-of-the-hill"

Lincoln does say "Quiet Luxury", showing up in this comparo would have been unflattering to say the least. Continental is a nice riding and confident car but we also have to remember it's riding on a dynamically modest and heavy FWD platform with an ancient and mushy 6-speed that simply won't let the car play, there is no way Continental would have escaped a bruising last place finish which would have been unfair to the other strengths. So for once I completely agree with them.
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Re: comparo: "One step down from king-of-the-hill"

Ohhhh, Car & Driver.. you did it, again. The missing car here is not the Continental (I agree is a luxury, not a sport sedan) , is the Maserati. Why you wait until the last minute to ask for one at Maserati? Ummmmm... maybe too much competent to put the BMW/Audi/Mercedes-Benz reign at risk.

Well, you got your new and convenient traditional German king: The Mercedes-Benz.
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Ohhhh, Car & Driver.. you did it, again. The missing car here is not the Continental (I agree is a luxury, not a sport sedan) , is the Maserati. Why you wait until the last minute to ask for one at Maserati? Ummmmm... maybe too much competent to put the BMW/Audi/Mercedes-Benz reign at risk.

Well, you got your new and convenient traditional German king: The Mercedes-Benz.

Given that Maserati still can't seem to get a good gearbox into their offerings, it's likely a moot point.

Sorry, but I laughed (a ton) when the people insisting C/D had a pro-BMW bias were ignoring Audi wins in comparos, and that C/D had an "anti Ford bias" when the Mustang won a few straight comparos as well. They could be argued to have a bias against Lincoln, but as I've said here before: Lincoln earned it. Even the newest offerings are steps toward being a true luxury marque, not the endgame.
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I also wonder why they had to go 'supersedan' with the test when Continental would be able to complete with their much higher volume non 'sport' versions of each of the other vehicles. Meaning they would be rated on how 40-50+-year-old consumers would actually drive the vehicles on a daily commute basis.

Because I am sure that the vast majority of luxury car buyers in this segment, have no idea what any of the performance stats are for the cars, only that they like how the look and drive when they test drive it. Which is why when Continental gets butts in the seats, sales do well.
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...Meaning they would be rated on how 40-50+-year-old consumers would actually drive the vehicles on a daily commute basis...
along the same lines, tho not exactly the same;
I'd find the comparo much more interesting if it could compare the most popular (sales) version of each car,
EVEN THO that'd probably mean the competitors were MORE different/diverse - features, capabilities, AND PRICES.

Imho trying to be even somewhat within an artificial price-range (cough*Maserati) defeats the very efforts of each Brand to 'stand out'..
...treats them like mainstream commodities

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I also wonder why they had to go 'supersedan' with the test when Continental would be able to complete with their much higher volume non 'sport' versions of each of the other vehicles. Meaning they would be rated on how 40-50+-year-old consumers would actually drive the vehicles on a daily commute basis.

Because I am sure that the vast majority of luxury car buyers in this segment, have no idea what any of the performance stats are for the cars, only that they like how the look and drive when they test drive it. Which is why when Continental gets butts in the seats, sales do well.
Your answer lies in the first paragraph of the article..."Much sportier than an SUV, these cars ideally blend *luxury vibes and sporting driving dynamics into a perfect daily driver. Winning this test comes down to how well a car balances each side of that ledger."

That's it. That's what they were testing. Maybe soon they will devise a road test comparison ideally suited to the continental winning.

I'm confused...most here seem to think that continental competes with ct6 so what does it matter whether or not continental is included in a road test with CTS and it's peers?
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...I'm confused...most here seem to think that continental competes with ct6 so what does it matter whether or not continental is included in a road test with CTS and it's peers?
eXACTly why:
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...untested:
MKZ [BL] 3.0Awd+DriversPkg (as "base")
??? - $60,820* / 55,955 - 400hp/400tq
* ClimatePkg, cargonet, TechnoPkg, ChromaFlare paint; just std moonroof not opt. pano-roof (for weight)...
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Your answer lies in the first paragraph of the article..."Much sportier than an SUV, these cars ideally blend *luxury vibes and sporting driving dynamics into a perfect daily driver. Winning this test comes down to how well a car balances each side of that ledger."...
Thanks for quoting their criteria, Samesun
to me
that sounds a lot more general without explaining pricing limits they imposed
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