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my 18 impression, whats yours

after the unveiling or leaked vids i should say, ill admit, i was underwhelmed. but after reading some details and seeimg some pics i must im happy and looking forward to owning one of these rigs. i thought itd be fun to give yall my impressions and invite ur opinions as well. here are some of my thoughts and impressions for the expy:

1. the expy itself is quite a looker in most angles, but i find myself enamoured by the max edition. the lwb version looks better proportioned than the swb. theres a perfect blend btw modern crossover svelte, and butchy truck machoness, but the blue doesnt do it any favors. speaking of, certain colors make the desgin features pop(red, white) while others make it look kinda dowdy (gray, blue).i like the blofe colored auto run boards with chrome trim, chrome mirror caps, the headlight design and the little airdam underneath the grill.

2. i still think the f150 dash is a bit dated and out of place in it, but the interior was very well done. from the cup holders, the space utilization to seat design and features, im impressed by how modern and family friendly they got the interior, its almost minivan like, and might i say almost foreign in feel. i also believe the platinum will have a piano black finish to the dash trim instead of the plastic trim on lower models.

3. there may be an additional engine option, but i think the platinum model will have a different tune than the others. looking at the site, if you click on the lone pic of the limited model, the engine specs are listed as "standard" and mirrors the current engine specs. probably not raptor tuned but maybe current f150 tune while the std option is the current emgines tune.

4. I hope most of the safety features added are standard to prevent the price from being unreachable. its these features that prevent the current truck from being a safety pick+, so hopefully most of these are bundled in with the lower spec models. speaking of features, theres soooo many.

5. though its been unveiled, the details of it are particularly light, which makes me believe theres some other version of this truck to be revealed, whether a powertrain edition, or a new model (titanium, sport)

in all, the truck is finally modern amd definitely relevant again. its always been hampered by outdated design and features, but at its core, been the best at what it did. now with hlf of its competitors and a whole a other class (large crossovers) gaini g relevance, if price stays competitive, this truck will win back many sales. im just waiting on the configurator to build and price mine, but we still have a navigator to see. if the expy is anything to go by, i think the navi is gonna blow ppls minds.
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My overall impression of it's appearance is pretty blah. It completely makes sense to style it in line with the best selling Explorer and try to draw customers upward into the even more capable and expensive Expedition. I personally would want something that is more truck like than wagonesque, but understand that the market itself probably disagrees with me.

In terms of capabilities and features I think it's a home run! While the GM Triplets have the reputation they cannot touch the Expedition in terms of features, well done Ford.

If there is anything I'm disappointed in it's the fact that it lost only 300lbs transitioning to aluminum. If the F150 lost 700lbs and I would suspect needs to be a bit more heavy duty then the idea that an SUV loses only 300lbs is very surprising. On the other hand I'm sure the reasoning is sound even if it's not obvious.

Overall short of being too soft in appearance and the lack of the small diesel as an option it meets my high expectations! Of course the truth is the Navigator is the vehicle of the year in terms of my expectations, I hope they have a grand slam with that one!
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the 300lbs weight difference is less drastic i believe due to in part, the larger size, the influx of features and content, and most def the irs. this is in relative terms to the pickup trucks, the expy interior is far more complex with three row seat mechanisms, wires, cubbies, speakers, and cargo management tools.
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Good thread idea, @dcorbett
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...I saw elsewhere that
the pictured one is the Platinum
which looks "quite different compared to the other variants.
The less expensive versions actually look much more like the Explorer..."
...3. there may be an additional engine option, but i think the platinum model will have a different tune than the others. looking at the site, if you click on the lone pic of the limited model, the engine specs are listed as "standard" and mirrors the current engine specs. probably not raptor tuned but maybe current f150 tune while the std option is the current engines tune...
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...I personally would want something that is more truck like than wagonesque...
where did you see a Limited trim, Dcorbett? what color was it?

I'd *like* different style grilles for diff trims & *LOVE* it if some from the F-150 were offered (chopLink in sig)
(otoh
I'm perfectly happy with a single exterior for the Navi)

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...2. i still think the f150 dash is a bit dated and out of place in it, but the interior was very well done. from the cup holders, the space utilization to seat design and features, im impressed by how modern and family friendly they got the interior, its almost minivan like, and might i say almost foreign in feel. i also believe the platinum will have a piano black finish to the dash trim instead of the plastic trim on lower models...
I do like the way the console SyncScreen is much more integrated than the NaviConc

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...5. though its been unveiled, the details of it are particularly light, which makes me believe theres some other version of this truck to be revealed, whether a powertrain edition, or a new model (titanium, sport)...
guess the prevalent idea is the lower trims will also get the 2.7EB
+ a hybrid** &or diesel could get 'borrowed' from the F-150 eventually

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...Of course the truth is the Navigator is the vehicle of the year in terms of my expectations, I hope they have a grand slam with that one!
me too!!
I'm especially excited to see what Lincoln does for [BlackLabel]
think one of the reasons the Expy interior hasn't gotten many "wow's" is Lack of Color


**sorta-hunch that a Hybrid-Expy(non-Max) (+&– turbo) could be planned as a Flex replacement


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My overall impression of it's appearance is pretty blah. It completely makes sense to style it in line with the best selling Explorer and try to draw customers upward into the even more capable and expensive Expedition. I personally would want something that is more truck like than wagonesque, but understand that the market itself probably disagrees with me.

In terms of capabilities and features I think it's a home run! While the GM Triplets have the reputation they cannot touch the Expedition in terms of features, well done Ford.

If there is anything I'm disappointed in it's the fact that it lost only 300lbs transitioning to aluminum. If the F150 lost 700lbs and I would suspect needs to be a bit more heavy duty then the idea that an SUV loses only 300lbs is very surprising. On the other hand I'm sure the reasoning is sound even if it's not obvious.

Overall short of being too soft in appearance and the lack of the small diesel as an option it meets my high expectations! Of course the truth is the Navigator is the vehicle of the year in terms of my expectations, I hope they have a grand slam with that one!
Yeah, I expected more than a 300lb loss, but you also have to consider that it grew 4" in standard length form, added the massive sunroof, and as has been mentioned all of the safety tech that the old model didn't have at all.
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I saw one photo with features listed including the 3.5 EcoBoost engine. There was a disclaimer noting that features with astericks were optional. Trailer assist was listed with an asterick, but the 3.5 engine was not...If I am reading into correctly, there will be only one engine.

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the 300lbs weight difference is less drastic i believe due to in part, the larger size, the influx of features and content, and most def the irs. this is in relative terms to the pickup trucks, the expy interior is far more complex with three row seat mechanisms, wires, cubbies, speakers, and cargo management tools.
The previous generation also had IRS and three row seats in both short and long wheelbase version so we can wipe that from the list of possible reasons. Adding 4" may add a hundred pounds of metal but I doubt much more. The influx of features would largely be optional, thus not taken into account in a basic weight loss total that most likely covers the base version. I'm sure there a very good reasons, but I don't believe you listed them.
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Yeah, I expected more than a 300lb loss, but you also have to consider that it grew 4" in standard length form, added the massive sunroof, and as has been mentioned all of the safety tech that the old model didn't have at all.
The sunroof is optional and no way counted in the base weight so toss that possibility out the window. The additional 4" of length couldn't possibly exceed 100-150bls by much in terms of materials. Safety equipment on the other hand, with an aluminum body they may have added a bunch of extra metal to reinforce the cabin and doors and the like so you may be on to something there!
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if anyone tried to watch the TX reveal and gave up
here's an under-4-mins video with Todd Hoevener, chief program engineer...
...specifically talking about weight ~2:30
"we did save more but we re-invested it..."

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I saw one photo with features listed including the 3.5 EcoBoost engine. There was a disclaimer noting that features with astericks were optional. Trailer assist was listed with an asterick, but the 3.5 engine was not...If I am reading into correctly, there will be only one engine.
Fomoco has me trained to expect typos &or incomplete info
think/thought those could pertain to the Platinum-AS-SHOWN

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wondering how Lincoln will mod the rear...esp the huge cutouts for the TLs
...to chop or not to chop, t'is...

Duh ...just a prelim

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