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the next Linconl flagship: 2 door or 4 door coupe?

Linconl need and will have a new flagship in the near future, based on the new RWD big car platform. This car must be a 2 door or a 4 door coupe based on the MK R concept ?

Do you prefer that or a conventional 4 door sedan??

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Re: the next Lincoln flagship: 2 door or 4 door coupe?

I like an idea from back-awhile on BON
which is much like what the CLS/E-klasse does:

make a relatively 'up-right' sedan with/and a swoopier sport model - roofs & number of passengers would be the main diff.

otoh
(considering that the CLS sales in the U.S. SUCK!)
this could also be a method for intro'ing a SuperLincoln - based-on yet above its 'flagship' sedan
but
that'd prolley have to wait a bit...

oops/addition:
re: your 2-or-4 door question, F.L.
imho a diff (not new) solution is what's needed (not 'opera' doors' either)
not sayin what cuz someone's gonna DO IT
& imho other mfg's are more likely to act on a web-suggestion than Ford (unfortunately)
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Re: the next Linconl flagship: 2 door or 4 door coupe?

I didn't realize that the MKR was considred a 4 door coupe.

As for the next Lincoln, my own preference would be for a more upright, "stately" appearance. This is how I see a "Lincoln" in my minds-eye.

By the time a rakish, fastback-sedan (along the lines of the Mercedes CLS) came to market as a Lincoln the fashion will have passed. It would be a point of pride to see Lincoln establish a design paradigm of its own again. Forgive me y'all for saying so, but it hasn't had one in many years (and a big, toothy manta-ray grille is NOT a paradigm).

The 1976 Cadillac Seville is one design I would look to.

(In my youth, I had one EXACTLY like this one)

In a world of sloping rooflines and "hippy" rear quarters ("Ya, I'm talkin' ta' you, MKT") an upright, yet kinetic form would be a thing unto itself. A design cue from the Bob Gregorie days is a form that is slightly higher in front than behind, or at least having that appearance.

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In a world of sloping rooflines and "hippy" rear quarters ("Ya, I'm talkin' ta' you, MKT")...
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As for the next Lincoln, my own preference would be for a more upright, "stately" appearance. This is how I see a "Lincoln" in my minds-eye.

By the time a rakish, fastback-sedan (along the lines of the Mercedes CLS) came to market as a Lincoln the fashion will have passed. It would be a point of pride to see Lincoln establish a design paradigm of its own again....

...A design cue from the Bob Gregorie days is a form that is slightly higher in front than behind, or at least having that appearance.
Agree with 'stately',
fastback - maaaaaaybe,
with paradigm (& its lack... pre-MKT!) yes,
Mr. Gregorie - probably (click for thread),
(tho Mr. Nesbitt - definitely!!! (if you read this, Mr. N., think it'd be ok to post your renderings from this site? or is my dropping the link enuf? hope they had your permission...)

'higher front'?
- not so much. That's how I perceived the last Tbird - & there was very little I liked about that.

also click for HRL thread with Mr. N's blue "Mercury-bodied" '52 Lincoln rendering
and
if you like (feel free to ignore the chop BUT) check out the 'pixelography', here, for other inspirations.


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fwiw, Megeebee, I like that Seville and the the more adventurous one, too,
tho not as an example for Lincoln. Imho it shows the inherent strengths of both Cadillac & Lincoln that one's design can't really work for the other.
Know what I mean?
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Re: the next Linconl flagship: 2 door or 4 door coupe?

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Linconl need and will have a new flagship in the near future, based on the new RWD big car platform. This car must be a 2 door or a 4 door coupe based on the MK R concept ?

Do you prefer that or a conventional 4 door sedan??
Both and neither. I think that the MKR must be brought to justice . . . er, I mean market, as close as possible to the
Let me know what do you think, guys....
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The 1976 Cadillac Seville is one design I would look to.

(In my youth, I had one EXACTLY like this one)
In 1976 I was far from being able to legally drive, but many years latter when I was, I couldn't have afforded such a stately machine.

My first car was a Ford, and a pretty square one at that, almost like the Seville . . . a 1980 Ford Zephyr (due to different naming policies in South America, I was able to drive a Ford and a Zephyr at the same time) inherited from an older sibling.



The follow up was a Renault 5, but the Zephyr remained in my parents household until 1995.



. . . and NO megeebee,, I am not the one in the picture. The Cinque was followed by a Fiat Premio (a Fiat Uno with a trunk) and finally I hit automotive Nirvana when I bought a 1966 Ford Mustang from the original owner which I restored to showroom magnificence.



How I loved that car . . .

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Re: the next Linconl flagship: 2 door or 4 door coupe?

Do you still have the Mustang?

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fwiw, Megeebee, I like that Seville and the the more adventurous one, too,
tho not as an example for Lincoln. Imho it shows the inherent strengths of both Cadillac & Lincoln that one's design can't really work for the other.
Know what I mean?
I know what you mean. And perhaps I didn't explain quite well enough. I would not suggest that the 76 Seville, or any other design, should be copied. It was simply the first car that came to mind. If you look at the old Continental concept of 2000, you can see a similar character. Instead of a forward leaning wedge, it has a more even-keel horizontal line. The rear quarter is taut, and near even in height with the front.



Again, I don't mean that this design should be copied verbatim. My point was that Lincoln could establish an identity by swimming against the tide.

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Do you still have the Mustang?
Noooooooooo . . . .

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Re: the next Linconl flagship: 2 door or 4 door coupe?

Too bad. I wish to my soul that I had kept my Seville, I can tell you. I loved that car.

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...I don't mean that this design should be copied verbatim. My point was that Lincoln could establish an identity by swimming against the tide.

me too
& didn't mean to sound like I was assuming you meant 'copy'/
recognize examples are kinda necessary in discussing things as nebulous as 'styling themes'...

(might try to verbalize more if I find the words, puter stops hiccuping, have/find/make time, & if this thread continues)
umm
you have any interest in a "Mission: Lincoln" thread?
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