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Chrysler aimed 200 at Fusion - DetNews

Fiat Chrysler aimed to beat Ford Fusion with new 200 - Detroit News
Bryce G. Hoffman
February 5, 2014


When Fiat Chrysler Automobiles set about designing the all-new 2015 Chrysler 200, it looked at rival offerings from Toyota, Honda and Hyundai. But the car it really set its sights on was the Ford Fusion.

“We went head to head and decided that we were going to beat the Fusion on day one,” said Chrysler brand president Al Gardner, adding that his team dissected the Ford sedan and set about matching or besting it feature for feature. “We’re actually beating Ford at their own game, and I will tell you they are great.”

That says a lot about how much the automobile industry has changed over the past decade.

“Nobody five years ago would have said that,” said analyst Dave Sullivan of AutoPacific.

That is because American sedans such as the Ford Fusion were still viewed as also-rans in a segment dominated by vehicles such as the Toyota Camry and Honda Accord. When rival automakers started work on a new car, these were the vehicles they bench-marked.

The Fusion now rivals those vehicles in quality, safety and reliability. And Sullivan said it has something just as important going for it.

“It’s more of a design statement than Toyota, Honda or Nissan. It has more of a personality,” he said. “And I think that is what Chrysler was looking for.”...

...Ford Motor Co. is confident its car can take the competition, but said it appreciated Chrysler’s interest.

“With the new Fusion, we set out to be best in class,” said Fusion Chief Engineer Todd Soderquist. “We’re flattered others are using our Fusion as the benchmark.”

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note: Bryce Hoffman is the author of "American Icon: Alan Mulally and the Fight to Save Ford Motor Company"

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Re: Chrysler aimed 200 at Fusion - DetNews

At least from a design perspective IMO:

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The truth is that the Fusion although more expressive than its vanilla competition is simply not amazingly beautiful in my opinion. I do find it interesting that Chrysler focused on the Fusion instead of the 800 lb retail gorilla of this segment. (Honda Accord) If you want evidence as to just what can be gained by being notable aesthetically in this segment compare the sales of the Mazda 6 to the Fusion to the Camry.

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next a 200EV aiming at FusionEnergi?

Chrysler 200 EV testing??? - (Vince)BurlappCar.com
Tuesday, March 11, 2014

This was taken very recently.

The new 200 isn't a secret anymore. So I was just wondering why these are still driving around with so much camouflage?
It couldn't be a Dodge version. The body is exactly the same. (Plus, I don't think Dodge will be around that long, unfortunately)
Couldn't be a Euro Lancia version. Since the brand will now only well the small Ypsilon.

So what???
chrysler 200 spy spyshot electric ev chryslerev 2015200 allnew new auto car
If you look at this picture, the car on the left seems to have its exhaust pipes blocked out.

I believe this is an EV version of the 2015 Chrysler 200. Testing alongside a regular one.
Or maybe the one on the right is a plug-in version (since it is also covered up)

What do you think???

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Chrysler aimed 200 at ... the MKZ?

just to stir the pot...

2015 Chrysler 200: First Drive - TheCarConnection
By Marty Padgett
Mar 19, 2014

page 2
...the 200 might have one of the best interiors in this segment... ...the materials look and feel fine. The 200's premium treatments are a warmer, classier place than the Lincoln MKZ, skipping right by the even more coolly styled Ford Fusion interior...

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but the rest of the review is pretty dismal...
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...We'd be even more positive about the 200's cabin if it didn't have Malibu-sized accommodations in back...

...The back seat is a place for small adults and teenagers sized for a generation or two ago. It's more of a chore to fold in half, and climb through the short door openings, than it is in any of the best-selling mid-sizers. Folding and unfolding into the back seat, it seems worse than in some "four-door coupes"...

...The 200 is inescapably close to the Dodge Dart, in terms of interior space. The 200 sits on a 108.0-inch wheelbase, and has 101.4 cubic feet of passenger space. The Dart's wheelbase is only 1.6 inches shorter at 106.4 inches, and it has just 4.2 fewer cubic feet of passenger space, at 97.2 cubic feet. At 3,473 pounds it's heavier than a base Fusion or Sonata, which have better-arranged rear-seat space, or even a Cadillac ATS, which doesn't...
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for some reason, I'm really hoping this car succeeds...
...maybe Fiatsler can make small-but-significant improvements for the 2nd year?

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Re: Chrysler aimed 200 at Fusion - DetNews

I saw some photos of the 200 today in MT, the front looks weird, the headlights are BIG, looks like a chinese car.
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...We'd be even more positive about the 200's cabin if it didn't have Malibu-sized accommodations in back...
...The back seat is a place for small adults and teenagers sized for a generation or two ago. It's more of a chore to fold in half, and climb through the short door openings, than it is in any of the best-selling mid-sizers. Folding and unfolding into the back seat, it seems worse than in some "four-door coupes"...

...The 200 is inescapably close to the Dodge Dart, in terms of interior space. The 200 sits on a 108.0-inch wheelbase, and has 101.4 cubic feet of passenger space. The Dart's wheelbase is only 1.6 inches shorter at 106.4 inches, and it has just 4.2 fewer cubic feet of passenger space, at 97.2 cubic feet. At 3,473 pounds it's heavier than a base Fusion or Sonata, which have better-arranged rear-seat space, or even a Cadillac ATS, which doesn't...


The problem with the Chrysler 200, is that it is a slightly stretched version of the cheap looking Dodge Dart. Clearly it's riding on the Darts platform and was made for the European market and not the U.S. Why Fiat would want to build a larger version of a car that's already a sales flop makes no sense.

So what's the point of doing away with the gear shifter, if you use the same amount of space for a big dial to shift gears instead?

If they would have made a smaller version of the 300, borrowing some of it's styling queues, they would have had a winner. But the new 200 can't compete any better against the new Fusion, Accord, Altima than the last gen could.
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...We'd be even more positive about the 200's cabin if it didn't have Malibu-sized accommodations in back...
...The back seat is a place for small adults and teenagers sized for a generation or two ago. It's more of a chore to fold in half, and climb through the short door openings, than it is in any of the best-selling mid-sizers. Folding and unfolding into the back seat, it seems worse than in some "four-door coupes"...

...The 200 is inescapably close to the Dodge Dart, in terms of interior space. The 200 sits on a 108.0-inch wheelbase, and has 101.4 cubic feet of passenger space. The Dart's wheelbase is only 1.6 inches shorter at 106.4 inches, and it has just 4.2 fewer cubic feet of passenger space, at 97.2 cubic feet. At 3,473 pounds it's heavier than a base Fusion or Sonata, which have better-arranged rear-seat space, or even a Cadillac ATS, which doesn't...


The problem with the Chrysler 200, is that it is a slightly stretched version of the cheap looking Dodge Dart. Clearly it's riding on the Darts platform and was made for the European market and not the U.S. Why Fiat would want to build a larger version of a car that's already a sales flop makes no sense.

So what's the point of doing away with the gear shifter, if you use the same amount of space for a big dial to shift gears instead?

If they would have made a smaller version of the 300, borrowing some of it's styling queues, they would have had a winner. But the new 200 can't compete any better against the new Fusion, Accord, Altima than the last gen could.
I remember Ford made this mistake with the then Escort and Mondeo being virtually the same size inside. If I recall correctly the Escort was larger inside in some dimensions. The Mondeo was a great car but was a sales failure due to the price to size issues.
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Chrysler did aim the 200 at Fusion - MotorTrend too

First Drive 2015 Chrysler 200 - MotorTrend
Great Expectations: Chrysler Gets Serious (At Last) About America’s Biggest Selling Car Segment

By Frank Markus | March 18, 2014

...To attract a younger, sport-sedan audience (a mid-size niche not currently much catered to), the 200S offers Chrysler’s Pentastar V-6 tuned for a class-leading 295 hp and 262 lb-ft, sport-tuned suspension on 18- or 19-inch wheels, and the option of all-wheel-drive, with an S mode that splits the torque a bit more aggressively. Offering AWD is a bold, pricey gamble, but it narrows the competition to one: Ford Fusion. Speaking of which, that brand’s Titanium range-topper is challenged by the luxurious 200C which can be equipped with high-end like features ParkSense Parallel and Perpendicular Park Assist...

( snippets )
-- design chief Brandon Faurote says the inspiration came from ... Virgil Exner’s Ghia show cars of the ’50s
-- It cheats the wind with a Mazda6-rivalling 0.27 drag coefficient
-- Interior design honcho Klaus Busse sought inspiration from icons of American design like the Eames chair, which inspires the wood trim (genuine in 200C models with Premium group) on the dash and doors.
-- head and leg room are near the bottom of the category

...2.4-liter 200C with Premium pack, which gets more copper-hued brightwork inside, along with seat piping in a metallic brown. It looks great, and the Chrysler Uconnect user interface still strikes me as an industry leader. The test car had the full suite of safety and convenience gear, including active cruise with traffic-jam assist (it stops and goes automatically with traffic) and the option of disabling the active part and engaging normal cruise if preferred (or if the sensors get too schmutzed up with slush or mud). The lane-keeping function allows the car to step on or over the lane markers before steering back, which seems less useful than systems that cleave to the middle of the lane. And final calibration of the parking-assist system is still ongoing...

...Brief comparison drives in a Fusion, Accord, Camry, and Altima suggest the 200 will bring considerably more personality to the segment than the Asians, with a bit less back-seat space...

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