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Ford Hybrids' MPG not at EPA rating? - GreenCarReport

Ford Hybrids' Fuel Economy Failing To Live Up To EPA Ratings? - GreenCarReports.com
By John Voelcker
Nov 20, 2012


This is starting to look not so good.

It appears that two new hybrid cars from Ford--the 2013 C-Max Hybrid hatchback and the 2013 Fusion Hybrid sedan--may not deliver real-world gas mileage that's anywhere near their 47-mpg EPA ratings.

Automotive journalists have been quietly discussing this for a few weeks, since Ford began releasing C-Max and 2013 Fusion vehicles into media test fleets.

C-Max Hybrid: stretching to hit 40 mpg?
It's still early yet, and it's possible that gas mileage may improve slightly in the cars once several thousand miles have accumulated on each one.

But Green Car Reports has tested the C-Max twice, once at Ford's media drive and once over a quick weekend route.

In the first case, the C-Max delivered 37 mpg over 50 miles of mixed freeway and urban driving. Over our weekend route, we got 40 mpg over 240 miles, mostly at freeway speeds.

And other outlets had similar results.

Most awkwardly for Ford, Larry Vellequette of Automotive News has documented his struggles to achieve anything close to 47 mpg in the C-Max Hybrid he bought for family use.

His average gas mileage was 37 mpg...

2013 Fusion Hybrid too?
Now tests are starting to emerge for the 2013 Ford Fusion Hybrid, the most fuel-efficient model of the company's new mid-size sedan.

And, again, they seem to be far below the EPA numbers, which duplicate those of the C-Max Hybrid at 47 mpg for all three ratings: city, highway, and combined.

Jason Harper, testing the Fusion Hybrid for Bloomberg, got 36.9 mpg.

Gary Gastelu, testing the hybrid sedan for Fox News, wrote, "Even though I intentionally left my lead shoes at home and light-footed the Fusion Hybrid as much as possible (proving once and for all that I can, in fact, drive 55 mph) I took a lot of work to get it anywhere near 40 mpg, let alone that magic 47 mpg mark."...



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Why don't we just cut this electric crap out and either go to deisel, or start perfecting natural gas vehicles.

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This could hurt the Fusion, C-Max, and MKZ if this is the case.

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I just went through the "build & price" process for the Fusion Hybrid last evening. Well I guess I better put that dream on hold for now. Why pay a premium price for the hybrid if the numbers are not obtainable? Right?
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The response from the Ford engineers, as indicated in the article seems to dismiss the whole notion of exaggerated mileage altogether. I cant help but wonder if unmitigated egos were at play here.....if so this could be a huge juggernaut for Ford which will breed the potential for lawsuits and a depreciated brand reputation. The general public seem to be more forgiven of foreign brands over the domestics when they commit a huge blunder (just look at the rise in Camry sells this year over last) I'm curious to see how Ford plans to "save face" over this.
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If the EPA certified it, then it's the EPA that gets sued. Not Ford! Maybe the EPA set Ford up for a lawsuit. I wonder if people are actualy measuring the gas they use, or just relying on the dash readout. To properly measure gas mileage, you must fill the tank completely and zero the trip odometer. Then, you must not let it idle, (except at stop lights, for city mileage), then, after enough gas is used to show on the guage, you fill the tank back up completely. Then you devide the mileage on the trip odometer by the amount of gas to fill the tank. That is your mileage. Relying on the in dash readout of mpg is assinine.
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...I'm curious to see how Ford plans to "save face" over this.
As far as I'm concerned, whether there's any 'face' to be saved remains to be proved!
ie.: Ford tested vs EPA tested if Ford fudged the results

Altho I've seen a number of 'apologists' posts elsewhere, flatly not believing the article;
other posts have contributed these possible reasons that could add-up to the discrepancy
- break-in some report significant mpg increases over time
- driving style/higher power it's easy for drivers unused to hyper-miling to be seduced by Ford's greater HP
- EPA test-specific tuning giving best results for the testing
- weather/temp non-optimum temp reduces battery efficiency
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As far as I'm concerned, whether there's any 'face' to be saved remains to be proved!
ie.: Ford tested vs EPA tested if Ford fudged the results

Altho I've seen a number of 'apologists' posts elsewhere, flatly not believing the article;
other posts have contributed these possible reasons that could add-up to the discrepancy
- break-in some report significant mpg increases over time
- driving style/higher power it's easy for drivers unused to hyper-miling to be seduced by Ford's greater HP
- EPA test-specific tuning giving best results for the testing
- weather/temp non-optimum temp reduces battery efficiency
I agree ....all the above could contribute to depreciated mpg but I've read several stories about reporters and consumers alike who claim that they have not been able to achieve the advertise fuel economy for the C-Max which is why I was getting a lil' concerned. I'm not certain how each instance of depreciated mpg relates, if they're relative at all. But if these are unfounded claims I think this would be a great opportunity for Ford to educate journalists & the general public on how to accurately account for the mpg at the very least.
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Re: Ford Hybrids' MPG not at EPA rating? - GreenCarReport

^ yeah, I'm a lil' concerned too, CrunkedRL
just insufficient info for more
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Re: Ford Hybrids' MPG not at EPA rating? - GreenCarReport

Just back from the Phoenix International Auto Show.

Went with an older friend who wants a hybrid and was leaning toward a Prius...

We spent a lot of time climbing in, out, and all around the new 2013 Ford C-Max.

The interior materials, layout, and space were far better than the Prius.

I was suprised by how much interior space there was in this vehicle.

The rear seats fold nearly dead flat, opening up a very generous cargo area.

The interior had a lot of nice soft-touch materials.

Ingress and egress were really easy for both of us - I'm short and he's tall - with good leg room in the rear.

The Test Drive - The C-Max SE test vehicle rode very well. Very quiet inside. Rear seats could use a bit more padding. There was a surprising amount of pep and very nice handling with strong breaking. The Focus underpinings shone through nicely in terms of ride and handling.

Overall Impressions - The C-Max is a game changer. Larger than a focus, but smaller than an Escape, it felt like a small SUV. So, for those looking for a fuel-efficient small SUV, look no further.

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