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SobeSVT
01-14-2008, 12:01 AM
NAIAS Lincoln MKT Concept

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LINCOLN UNVEILS ULTIMATE TOURING VEHICLE CONCEPT; PREMIUM UTILITY FEATURES ELEGANCE, SPACE, EFFICIENCY


Growth opportunity: The Lincoln MKT concept shows a new potential vehicle for Lincoln, demonstrating the brand’s new design language works as well on a spacious luxury utility vehicle as it does luxury sedans like the new 2009 Lincoln MKS.
EcoBoost power: Ford’s global solution for improving fuel economy and greenhouse gas emissions for millions of customers – EcoBoost engine technology – powers Lincoln MKT.
Responsible luxury: The Lincoln MKT concept reaches a new level of responsible luxury with the use of more environmentally friendly materials that offer a premium look and feel.


DETROIT, Jan. 14, 2008 – Lincoln today pulls the wraps off a new premium utility concept vehicle – unsurpassed in its balance of spaciousness, comfort and fuel efficiency – that shows customers a new way to tour in style.

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The Lincoln MKT concept features a 3.5-liter V-6 EcoBoost engine with turbocharging and direct injection that produces the power and torque of a V-8 engine with the fuel efficiency of a V-6. EcoBoost – combined with advanced transmissions, electric power steering, weight reductions and aerodynamic improvements – is a key part of Ford Motor Company’s vehicle sustainability strategy.

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The company is introducing EcoBoost engines that will deliver up to 20 percent better fuel economy on half a million Ford, Lincoln and Mercury vehicles annually in North America within the next five years. Ford will first introduce EcoBoost in the Lincoln MKS next year. The luxury sedan will feature a 3.5-liter twin-turbocharged V-6, delivering an estimated 340-horsepower and more than 340 lb.-ft. of torque on regular gas.

“EcoBoost engines can deliver better fuel economy and performance on a full range of vehicles, from small cars to large trucks,” said Mark Fields, president of The Americas. “The Lincoln MKT concept offers the comfort of a luxury sedan, the spaciousness and flexibility of a full-size utility and the performance of a sporty roadster – executed with new technologies and materials that make it as environmentally friendly as it is elegant.

“The Lincoln MKT concept is understated but powerful – inside, outside and under the hood.”

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Premium Efficiency

The Lincoln MKT concept features an EcoBoost engine that’s flex-fuel capable, providing the driver with the flexibility to switch back and forth between premium gasoline and E85 ethanol-gas blend. Burning these high-octane fuels, the MKT concept’s V-6 engine delivers 415 horsepower and 400 pound-feet of torque – an impressive 118 horsepower per liter.
The concept’s engine is mated to a six-speed transmission for greater fuel efficiency. Fuel efficiency also is helped by weight-saving, eco-friendly “upcycled” materials from SABIC Innovative Plastics.

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Two upcycled plastic materials, Valox iQ and Xenoy iQ, were used in making the Lincoln MKT body panels, energy absorbers, wire bundles and glazing. The resins are made from discarded soft-drink bottles and other polyester waste, keeping them out of landfills, reducing energy consumption and shrinking the vehicle’s overall carbon footprint.
Some applications of the resin help the vehicle resist heat and chemicals and also improve overall noise and vibration.

Spacious Elegance

Drivers and passengers alike will appreciate the Lincoln MKT concept’s spaciousness – right down to the seats that mirror those found in first-class aircraft cabins. Four executive-sized chairs offer comfort and unprecedented leg room. As an added pleasure, second-row heated and cooled thigh supports deploy from under the seats, while footrests deploy rearward from the front seats, allowing passengers to fully recline.

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“We envisioned this concept as a modern grand tourer, really a Learjet of the road,” said Peter Horbury, executive director of Design, The Americas. “With the Lincoln MKT concept, you find a premium utility that could as easily accommodate a businessperson slipping into the back seat on the way to his or her next meeting in the chaos of Manhattan as a family packed up for a weekend getaway to the coast.”

The vehicle’s symmetrical interior design divides the cabin thoughtfully, providing all four passengers equal access to the vehicle’s appointments.

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Through the use of soothing tone-on-colors, eco-friendly materials, ambient lighting and flexible storage, the MKT concept offers customers a unique combination of serenity and connectivity.

Environmentally friendly details include the plush, hand-knotted rug made from banana silk that covers the floor and complements the contrasting Creamy Pearl chromium-free leather seats.

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Elsewhere in the interior, chrome accents – including a one-piece sculpted door handle featuring a baroque-influenced graphic – mirror the elegant lines on the concept’s exterior.

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For the center stack, designers invented and patented a solid-state lighting technology that allows them to project onto a contoured surface in 3-D. Until now, all projection was limited to flat surfaces with square or rectangular boundaries like a flat-screen television.

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This new technology allowed designers to use non-traditional shapes and spaces for information displays as well as unique storage spaces in the center stack.

The expansive instrument panel and twin-level center console, finished in a reconstituted oak veneer, houses an assortment of technologies, including an instrument cluster inspired by Swarovski crystals. It uses Light Emitting Diodes (LEDs) strategically positioned so light appears to emanate from the center of three circular dials and radiate to the outer edge of the dials.

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The MKT concept’s center console, which runs the entire length of the vehicle to create a feeling of continuity between the upper and lower portion of the cabin, contains individual air vents, audio and climate controls, and personal storage.

In addition, a flat screen deploys from a floating overhead console which also hides two small cameras, each aimed at one of rear seats to provide on-screen “conference calling.”
In the rear cargo area, a smart space behind the second-row seats provides additional storage. Designers also included a power lift system that raises and lowers a series of rails behind the rear seats to allow flat-load or compartmentalized storage.

Lincoln’s timeless design on a whole new package

The Lincoln MKT concept features Lincoln’s signature double-wing chrome grille, encapsulating LED headlamps that wrap around into the sculptured hood, lending the luxury utility a powerful presence.

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Its elegant body side chamfer runs along the shoulder, with dynamic haunches over the rear wheel arches. Inset into each front fender and traveling through the door panels are chrome Lincoln stars with spears that add visual length to the car. Meanwhile, winged, curb-clearing doors give the car a dramatic sense of direction, agility and forward movement.

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A substantial C-pillar creates an aura of privacy for the rear occupants. Like limousines, the MKT cuts an interesting profile – long, low and comfortably wide. The signature roofline runs the entire length of the greenhouse and remains uninterrupted. The roof itself is glass, allowing in natural light.

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As an unconventional surprise, designers incorporated a bustle-back design into the concept. The classic look provides massive storage capacity, crucial for any trip.

From the rear, the concept is instantly recognizable as a Lincoln, thanks to full-width LED taillamps stretching from side to side.

The exterior is bathed in a rich Liquid Bronze Metallic paint that compliments the chrome brightwork. The intricate 21-inch, 14-spoke interlocking chrome aluminum wheels have body color accents.

“The Lincoln MKT concept represents harmony in motion, balancing sculptured shapes and contours traditionally associated with beautiful cars on a crossover vehicle that offers the luxury of space and efficient, powerful performance,” Horbury said.

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Specifications
Powertrain
Engine: 3.5L V6 EcoBoost
Horsepower: 415 HP @ 5750 RPM
Torque: 400 lb.ft. from 2000 to 5000 RPM
Transmission: 6-speed select-shift AWD

Chassis
Length: 208.4 in
Wheelbase: 120.7 in
Width: 78.7 in
Height: 63.9 in

Track Width
Front: 67.1 in
Rear: 67.0 in

Suspension: Independent Rear Suspension

Headroom:
Front: 41.5 in
Second Row: 39.4 in

Legroom:
Front: 42.0 in
Second Row: 44.0 in

Tire size: 285/35/ZR21

Mbukukanyau
01-14-2008, 12:13 AM
This is bold American Styling, Just like Cadillac. Finally we are taking a stand, and getting an identity.
Cadillac, Lincoln, Buick.. distinctive American Styling!!!
To **** with Jaguar, time for Lincoln to step up and go to Prime time

megeebee
01-14-2008, 12:25 AM
An MKR station wagon.

I see too that Ford is calling this a "concept".

When is this, or should I say the "production version" expected in showrooms?

I'm not as enamoured of the interior as I have been with other Ford concepts.

ndwariga
01-14-2008, 12:28 AM
An MKR station wagon.

I see too that Ford is calling this a "concept".

When is this, or should I say the "production verson" expected in showrooms?

I'm not as enamoured of the interior as I have been with other Ford concepts.
Megeebee, this is a concept interior, not production interior.

megeebee
01-14-2008, 12:41 AM
Megeebee, this is a concept interior, not production interior.


I know.

That's why I wrote:

I'm not as enamoured of the interior as I have been with other Ford concepts.

wingsnut
01-14-2008, 12:42 AM
What do you guys think of the headlights, how they are incorporated into the grill. I love it. The interior of concepts always are over the top, mostly as a styling gauge or exercise. The basic theme would of course carry through...if Lincoln ever decided to make this;)

SobeSVT
01-14-2008, 12:45 AM
I hope that the rumors that the coming Lincoln crossovers were going to be re-grilled Fords are put to rest with this concept.

I expect that the real MK-Flex will be to this concept what the CX-9 is to the Cx-7 and that the next MKX will have a strong resemblance to the MKT concept.

I am extremely happy with this magnificent concept.

2b2
01-14-2008, 12:49 AM
I *love* what I've seen of the interior
still loading pix yet **LOVE** the overall look so far - this will be a HIT in SoCal... & Yes, that's saying something!

wingsnut
01-14-2008, 12:54 AM
I love the pic of the interior from just outside the passenger side (8th pic from bottom) looking up into the sky. Imagine how gorgeous that view would be on a starlit night or driving along the countryside. The interior is really growing on me quickly.

2b2
01-14-2008, 12:56 AM
Meegeebeee, the interior is s e r e n e :)

What do you guys think of the headlights, how they are incorporated into the grill. I love it. The interior of concepts always are over the top, mostly as a styling gauge or exercise. The basic theme would of course carry through...if Lincoln ever decided to make this ;)

THWAP!!!
&
yeah the HL's are cool!
majorly in love with 'hips' with that subtle sculpting just under them & the reallythe entire back of the MKT
the front is dramatic - just still taking it in
(one thing I wonder tho is how the front bumper would look if it buldged a bit over the lower intake openings)

SobeSVT
01-14-2008, 12:56 AM
What do you guys think of the headlights, how they are incorporated into the grill. I love it. The interior of concepts always are over the top, mostly as a styling gauge or exercise. The basic theme would of course carry through...if Lincoln ever decided to make this;)
That is one surprising and stunning detail. The level of attention to details is overwhelming. You can tell that the designers had lots of fun and I am sure they are proud as ****, as they should.

Excellent job.

megeebee
01-14-2008, 12:57 AM
I hope that the rumors that the coming Lincoln crossovers were going to be re-grilled Fords are put to rest with this concept.



I can't think of a single Ford that would have ROOM for a grille like this!

Seriously, this is a very nice looking vehicle. Almost exactly what I pictured, too. An MKR "pulled up" by the roof.

megeebee
01-14-2008, 01:03 AM
What do you guys think of the headlights, how they are incorporated into the grill. I love it.

I noticed that too. Well done.

...if Lincoln ever decided to make this;)


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wingsnut
01-14-2008, 01:12 AM
^LOL.

Good night all. It was worth it to see these pics. I only had a glimpse in the past myself.

emdee
01-14-2008, 05:15 AM
Count me in as loving the interior too. The seats look incredible. Sure hope they can deliver them just like they are. And the rear legroom (44 inches) has got to be a record of some kind, at least for a vehicle thats "only" 208 inches long. This is exactly what Lincoln needs - a bold leap forward. It's always risky to do something like this but it's the only way to stop playing catch up to the competition. A really good, bold design probably should turn off some people, while thrilling others. Also love the front end. The only line I'm not entirely sure about is the C-pillar, which seems little too bulky to me. But the rear view is superb and it recalls the Mark VIII. It's going to be interesting to see what the car mag whiners have to say. I have a feeling they're going to be just scratching their heads all week, wondering how they didn't see this coming.

Lincoln will no doubt further refine the look before production, but this vehicle isn't far off. I would guess no more than a year after debut of the Flex.

Did I miss something about the drivetrain? I don't think I saw anything about whether it was front drive, AWD or RWD. Maybe that's exactly the way to describe it: "don't ask, it doesn't matter."

Z0mg Seth
01-14-2008, 06:06 AM
I thought this was t obe a 7 passenger crossover...It's beautiful, but I thought it'd be a tad biggier.

2b2
01-14-2008, 06:10 AM
...Did I miss something about the drivetrain? I don't think I saw anything about whether it was front drive, AWD or RWD. Maybe that's exactly the way to describe it: "don't ask, it doesn't matter."


true
yet
Wheelbase: 120.7 in


hmmmm
edit: >>>hmmmmmmmmmmm<<<


& in case anyone's curious
http://home.surfree.com/~pauld/Flex.jpg
(good thing I never delete stuff ;))

B.R.
01-14-2008, 07:42 AM
Wow, words just cannot do this vehicle justice. I was expecting an MKR with a covered rear end, but this is WAY WAY above and beyond what I was expecting and it looks beautiful. I am happy to see Lincoln took a risk while designing the grille because it fits the CUV look perfectly. Will this design eventually find itself on the MKX?

Logans Run
01-14-2008, 08:21 AM
This is MUCH better than I thought it would be!
It says Luxury AND Sport from every angle, while managing to be easily recognizable as a Lincoln at the same time.

I too thought it would be 7 seater, but maybe the production one will be, or at least as an option.

MERCURYSABLE08
01-14-2008, 10:14 AM
I am disappointed, its not at all what I expected. To me it looks like a really big hatchback. The only thing I like about it is the rear tail lights they look great.

Mbukukanyau
01-14-2008, 10:35 AM
I think it would compete aganist the Chrysler Pacifica and Mercedes R and Ford Flex

RG59061
01-14-2008, 12:23 PM
Wow! All I can say is Wow!

This is absolutely stunning and with the combination of the EcoBoost 3.5L V6...should be a blast to drive!

I am very certain that this MKT and the MKS are a solid indication of the styling that will be seen on the future updated Lincoln MKZ, MKX, and I hope what could be in store for a future update of the Lincoln Navigator.

A Lincoln Navigator with the styling blended from the Lincoln MKT/MKR/MKS...and with the new EcoBoost V6 and maybe even an EcoBoost V8 if possible...the Escalade would fall to number 2 in the scale of large Luxury Crossover/SUVs.

Sobe, you were absolutely right, this was not what I was expecting...but it is far better than I could have ever hoped for! I can't wait until this MKT hits us again in its true Production guise!

Finally, with this new styling direction, and with more power and economy thanks to EcoBoost, Lincoln will be able to compete toe to toe with Cadillac, BMW, Lexus, Mercedes-Benz and the rest of the Luxury crowd.

This is absolutely phenomenal!

megeebee
01-14-2008, 12:55 PM
(good thing I never delete stuff ;))


(I'd hate to be your hard drive);)

megeebee
01-14-2008, 01:13 PM
There are some good live- reveal shots here:


http://www.autoblog.com/photos/detroit-2008-lincoln-mkt-concept-live-reveal/582069

igor
01-14-2008, 01:24 PM
true
yet



hmmmmm


& in case anyone's curious
http://home.surfree.com/~pauld/Flex.jpg
(good thing I never delete stuff ;))so he car adds another 3 inches to the already extremely long Flext wheelbase? when does the D3 stop growing?!?!?

a 120" wheelbase on a FWD/AWD vehicle? That is INSANE!!!

Igor

1931Chevy
01-14-2008, 02:39 PM
Well isnt the production vehicle 18 months away from production and IMO they should even keep this clean interior and dont mess it with putting a lot of buttons

SobeSVT
01-14-2008, 02:53 PM
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LINK (http://youtube.com/watch?v=FXZiF23U8IE)

igor
01-14-2008, 04:15 PM
MKT without "hips" I like it better

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a375/iholas/mkt.jpg

my work :D

Igor

SobeSVT
01-14-2008, 04:16 PM
MKT without "hips" I like it better
my work :D
Igor
Looks really good, but I like the hips . . . a lot. ;)

igor
01-14-2008, 04:19 PM
I guess I cannot get rid of the stuffy old feeling when looking at the hips .. I cannot see them as something modern and attractive ...

Igor

timmm55
01-14-2008, 05:12 PM
I'm OK with the kickup, playing with the relationship........

2b2
01-14-2008, 05:21 PM
Looks really good, but I like the hips . . . a lot. ;)

exactly: +1 :wub:
beauty's in the eye yada yada
without hips it's ok (that is a nice chop, Igor) but I really *love* the subtle-complexity of the way they did them - definitely much more interesting than a '61+ Conti redux
but there's a bit of a spear/arrow aspect to the way it flows™ into the 'trunk' surfaces ( re-:wub: ) therefore: Modern

so he car adds another 3 inches to the already extremely long Flext wheelbase? when does the D3 stop growing?!?!?
a 120" wheelbase on a FWD/AWD vehicle? That is INSANE!!!
Igor

not sure what you meant by that bolded part, Igor. a few more inches is no biggie to me
&
what I meant... well, not saying completely but... well, not saying At All (sorry) except that it's my favorite press release number ...
I'm just gonna wait for ...umm... "further details" :unsure:


edit/"attention choppers"
NetCarShow (http://www.netcarshow.com/lincoln/2008-mkt_concept/) now has all(?) the pix in handy-dandy moderate res/byte .jpg format

megeebee
01-14-2008, 06:22 PM
One of my favorite details to this car is how the center line of the Lincoln star is continued through use of that little ridge that flows both up and down from the emblem. Very strong. I hope this finds its way to production.

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From the MKR, evidently.

http://www.techfresh.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/1-lincoln-mkr-concept-1.jpg

2b2
01-14-2008, 06:33 PM
I'd keep ^that^ too, just a nudge lower & tone down the spear a half a bit

one of my fave details is the rounded cross section ("volume"*) of the flanks/doors :) < doing a LOT of that today :) :) :) :)

* which the StarSpear highlites

btw/iirc, the MKR served the role of 'sampler' with All of Horbury's 7 design themes (makes me think a production sport coupan/sedoupe will have an all new look)

megeebee
01-14-2008, 06:37 PM
ALSO:


ON CNBC TONIGHT....

http://www.cnbc.com/id/22577457/site/14081545/

Phil LeBeau will be doing a one hour show from the Detroit Show tonight at 9:00 PM Eastern. I believe he said he had interviews with both Messrs. Mulally and Fields. He mentioned Lincoln specifically as a subject.
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megeebee
01-14-2008, 06:38 PM
one of my fave details is the rounded cross section ("volume"*) of the flanks/doors :) < doing a LOT of that today :) :) :) :)

* which the StarSpear highlites




Are you referring to the one that flows back from the upper fender vent?

2b2
01-14-2008, 07:21 PM
^^ yes
whacha think?

megeebee
01-14-2008, 07:33 PM
Yes, and no. In theory, yes. It's a very delicate balance with things like this. It looks good on showcars when they are all but handbuilt and are shown under controlled conditions.
The danger comes in the "real world" when it has to look good and produce the same effect under all lighting conditions and in every color the vehicle is offered in, and for the full life cycle of the vehicle.

Another issue is that it's a long term decision. Changing sheetmetal is a very expensive thing to do. Stamping 2 panels to achieve 1 effect means the automaker is VERY SURE of its opinion. A Mid-Cycle-Enhancement would be a much more expensive excercise if both the front fenders AND the door skins had to be redesigned. There's a reason why the doors of most vehicles do not change through their lives like the fenders, hoods, deck lids and the like. They have to fit in many more dimensions that these other panels. Look at the Fusion/Milan/MKZ cars. They all have the door panels in common. The Cadillac DTS still uses the same doors it had with the 2000 Deville. The new F 150, too is an example.

2b2
01-14-2008, 07:55 PM
oops, SORRY
I misunderstood which spear

the one on the front I'm sorta indifferent to
yeah, I know it's a very strong design element, just I'd be fine with or without it
another strong thing I don't care about is the current/concept blackout around the star on the trunk, don't expect that to carryover to production but ya never know
Not crazy about the full-width chrome/metal? trim above thetailights tho
think the back features will be quite different YET just as effective

back to the front half
I think it could bemodified so the strength of the grille is sorta more in the overall lines/shapes & less 'centralized' - hard to explain but I like rear half better than the front
(sorry if I sound scattered/incoherent - I am today :D)

megeebee
01-14-2008, 11:10 PM
ALSO:


ON CNBC TONIGHT....

http://www.cnbc.com/id/22577457/site/14081545/

Phil LeBeau will be doing a one hour show from the Detroit Show tonight at 9:00 PM Eastern. I believe he said he had interviews with both Messrs. Mulally and Fields. He mentioned Lincoln specifically as a subject.
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Sorry. I must have misunderstood something. It was an OK show, but not the one I expected.

2b2
01-14-2008, 11:43 PM
let's just chalk up misunderstandings to the intoxication of NAIAS :D ok?

It was disappointing that the MKT wasn't mentioned [pout]
...could they be planning an hour-long special for it??? :bounce:

megeebee
01-15-2008, 12:15 AM
let's just chalk up misunderstandings to the intoxication of NAIAS :D ok?

It was disappointing that the MKT wasn't mentioned [pout]
...could they be planning an hour-long special for it??? :bounce:

I'm sorry about that. I must have mis-heard something.

I did love hearing Jean Jennings of Automobile Magazine say that the BMW X6 was: "uuuugly". The CTS Coupe was her favorite of the show(though no other mention was made and no pictures shown). She gushed over it.

ANYWAY......


Here's a debate topic. Now that the MKT is officially named and on the way within a year or so,is the MKX necessary anymore?


http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/05/04/arts/SNL190.jpg "DISCUSS"

2b2
01-15-2008, 12:33 AM
Here's a debate topic. Now that the MKT is officially named and on the way with a year or so,is the MKX necessary anymore?
"DISCUSS"


seriously?
'course!!! wouldn't want to take the MKT to the beach and get SAND inside it!:eek:!
you've seen those MKX commercials, no?

how about
Can a new type of vehicle effectively/completely take the place of a more traditional luxury sedan?


OH!/edit/please-include-this
re: the Phil's show
I ***LOVED*** how the people almost guffawed(sp?) when Phil said BMW had good styling :D

megeebee
01-15-2008, 12:57 AM
seriously?
'course!!! wouldn't want to take the MKT to the beach and get SAND inside it!:eek:!
you've seen those MKX commercials, no?

how about
Can a new type of vehicle effectively/completely take the place of a more traditional luxury sedan?


OH!/edit/please-include-this
re: the Phil's show
I ***LOVED*** how the people almost guffawed(sp?) when Phil said BMW had good styling :D

Yes I have seen the commercial. And yes, I'm serious. I'm not trying to start trouble or anything, and I asked this without knowing the comparative sizes or capacities. I was just curious how everyone thought about the question.

And yes, I did love the grins on their faces when they heard that remark. While alot of journalists aren't wild about Mr. Bangles gifts to human eyesight, the buyng public seems to love them. I just wonder what the future holds for the X6. It will sell very well here in Seattle. It fulfills the 3 requirements for sales success in the Northwest:

1) It's foreign

2) It's expensive/overpriced.

3) It's ugly.


All Subarus, including the first Tribeca, grow like weeds. The parking lot at Whole Foods looks like a farm that grows Honda CR-V's. Acura MDX's (grey ones in particular) are so numerous that owners can be seen trying their keys in everyone they see in hopes of finding theirs.

Did you also love the luke-warm comments on the Toyota Venza. "It's not a segment buster.....it's a station wagon!"

2b2
01-15-2008, 01:36 AM
Yes I have seen the commercial. And yes, I'm serious. I'm not trying to start trouble or anything, and I asked this without knowing the comparative sizes or capacities. I was just curious how everyone thought about the question.

ok, did mean to imply anything negative - I agree it's a valid question
ovl sizes: MKX = 186.5, MKT = 208.4
but it's the different "spirit" of the 2 that makes me say "o'course"
MKX... kinda carefree, casual tho elegant
MKT... not pompous or stuffy but (re-using: ) S E R E N E
here's a pic (http://www.britishmm.co.uk/jpg/rollsroyce011.jpg) that shows where my thoughts are (esp. re: the MKT's rear)


& continuing OTAnd yes, I did love the grins on their faces when they heard that remark. While alot of journalists aren't wild about Mr. Bangles gifts to human eyesight, the buyng public seems to love them. I just wonder what the future holds for the X6. It will sell very well here in Seattle. It fulfills the 3 requirements for sales success in the Northwest:
1) It's foreign
2) It's expensive/overpriced.
3) It's ugly.
...
Did you also love the luke-warm comments on the Toyota Venza. "It's not a segment buster.....it's a station wagon!"

interesting. that 3rd reason makes me think of "Grundge" :eek: never thought of that as car style theme re-:eek:
& yeah - they put Thugota down proper(ly) & the "My MAMA would..." story was great!

edit/further & maybe evenmore OT (possibly)
I got the feeling the mid-small cuv is now the THE hot segment(s) < plural cuz it's so schizophrenic
kinda 'under' the MKT but could point another reason for the MKX
and other mid-small cuv's that FML may bring out....

SobeSVT
01-15-2008, 09:41 AM
Here's a debate topic. Now that the MKT is officially named and on the way with a year or so,is the MKX necessary anymore?
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/05/04/arts/SNL190.jpg "DISCUSS"
I think that the MKX is necessary as long as it sells as good as it has been selling so far. Not only that but it is smaller and less expensive than the MKT and therefore placed in a different segment for a different audience with different needs. You wouldn't discount the Explorer because there is an Expedition . . . (well, maybe YOU would ;) )

Now, as soon as the cat is out of the bag, meaning the production MKT, Lincoln better have the next MKX very ready, because as much as I like the current MKX it will look kind of ford-ish next the the T and will be together with the Navigator the only Lincoln product without the dual grille.

megeebee
01-15-2008, 12:17 PM
Now, as soon as the cat is out of the bag, meaning the production MKT, Lincoln better have the next MKX very ready, because as much as I like the current MKX it will look kind of ford-ish next the the T and will be together with the Navigator the only Lincoln product without the dual grille.


"WILL look kind of Ford-ish" ?!?!?

Except for the Town Car, that could be said of all Lincolns at the moment.

Any word on a reskin of the MKX? I know it's still early in its cycle. But the MKZ is getting one late next year (I believe. Please correct me if I'm wrong) to seperate it visually from its siblings. I wonder if the same attention will be lavished on the MKX?

megeebee
01-15-2008, 12:26 PM
ovl sizes: MKX = 186.5, MKT = 208.4

This rather answers my question. The size differntial is considerable.

MKT... not pompous or stuffy but (re-using: ) S E R E N E
here's a pic (http://www.britishmm.co.uk/jpg/rollsroyce011.jpg) that shows where my thoughts are (esp. re: the MKT's rear)

I think that's a bit of stretch, really.

SobeSVT
01-15-2008, 12:43 PM
"WILL look kind of Ford-ish" ?!?!?
Except for the Town Car, that could be said of all Lincolns at the moment.
Yes, will. Because today, like you said above, Ford-ish is the look of Lincoln. But as there is more differentiation, with the MKS, the redesigned MKZ and the MKT, the MKX and the Navigator will be the only two rebadges and will be perceived as even more Ford-ish.
Any word on a reskin of the MKX? I know it's still early in its cycle. But the MKZ is getting one late next year (I believe. Please correct me if I'm wrong) to seperate it visually from its siblings. I wonder if the same attention will be lavished on the MKX?
I don't know about the MKX but the MKZ will be re-skinned later THIS year not next year. The MKX probably will be restyled a year after that.

megeebee
01-15-2008, 01:31 PM
but the MKZ will be re-skinned later THIS year not next year.

Wow. I'm excited to see it. Any news on when it will be shown?

Diesel/_
01-15-2008, 01:33 PM
hmm, at first I didn't like it, but after studying it- it's gorgeous!
...The only think I don't like is the proportion between the
GINOURMOUS Whale-inspired Grille and the
itsy bitsy teeny weeny one lightbulb headlights.
Otherwise, good work guys!
:cool:

megeebee
01-15-2008, 02:08 PM
It will sell very well here in Seattle. It fulfills the 3 requirements for sales success in the Northwest:

1) It's foreign

2) It's expensive/overpriced.

3) It's ugly.


All Subarus, including the first Tribeca, grow like weeds. The parking lot at Whole Foods looks like a farm that grows Honda CR-V's. Acura MDX's (grey ones in particular) are so numerous that owners can be seen trying their keys in everyone they see in hopes of finding theirs.




I need to add one more to my list. The new Accord. You can't spit without hitting one up here. They are EVERYWHERE.

SobeSVT
01-15-2008, 02:44 PM
Wow. I'm excited to see it. Any news on when it will be shown?
Your guess is as good as mine. I will let you know, though.

2b2
01-17-2008, 05:00 PM
Vince has an MKT video up @ his HollywoodExtra blog (http://thehollywoodextra.blogspot.com/2008/01/lincoln-mkt-video.html)
(recommendation pending: I haven't seen it yet ;))... OK, fit to see :)

MaxLegroom
01-18-2008, 06:47 PM
I find this one very interesting. While I suspect it will grab an unusual amount of attention as a crossover, I see other possibilities in it. For this, channel the body about an inch. Then let's give it a trunk, one that hangs out a bit. For a limousine, stretch behind the B pillar about a foot, and that would provide a limo in the traditional sense of the word. Those hips everyone has been discussing remind of Lincolns of the '60s or perhaps early '70s. It is not a bad thing to be reminded of.

2b2
01-18-2008, 06:58 PM
^^ exactly, Max! (esp. re: the 'hips' :))

elsewhere I posed the question/speculation that Lincoln could actually base both a crossover AND a sedan off the MKT concept... no reason limos couldn't be built from both either.

emdee
01-19-2008, 04:24 AM
^^ exactly, Max! (esp. re: the 'hips' :))

elsewhere I posed the question/speculation that Lincoln could actually base both a crossover AND a sedan off the MKT concept... no reason limos couldn't be built from both either.

Well, you could say they've already done that, as the MKS and the MKT are built on the same platform. I suspect what you mean though is they could easily leave the MKT pretty much as is and just stick a trunk on it. The profile view looks quite a bit like a large sedan with a high beltline, but with most of the trunk chopped off. Can some of the Photoshoppers carry this out for us?

2b2
01-19-2008, 07:28 PM
I find this one very interesting. While I suspect it will grab an unusual amount of attention as a crossover, I see other possibilities in it. For this, channel the body about an inch. Then let's give it a trunk, one that hangs out a bit...
...Those hips everyone has been discussing remind of Lincolns of the '60s or perhaps early '70s. It is not a bad thing to be reminded of....I suspect what you mean though is they could easily leave the MKT pretty much as is and just stick a trunk on it. The profile view looks quite a bit like a large sedan with a high beltline, but with most of the trunk chopped off. Can some of the Photoshoppers carry this out for us?


okie-dokie... & since Lincoln was kind enough to provide a so-easy-to-chop profile shot... Hmmm, think they wanted us to do these???MKT sedan (http://www.fomoconews.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10418#post10418)
http://home.surfree.com/~pauld/thMKTs.jpg (http://www.fomoconews.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10418#post10418)
^ click for chop thread with 780x300 image ^ (http://www.fomoconews.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10418#post10418)

raugaj
01-20-2008, 05:51 PM
"WILL look kind of Ford-ish" ?!?!?

Except for the Town Car, that could be said of all Lincolns at the moment.

Any word on a reskin of the MKX? I know it's still early in its cycle. But the MKZ is getting one late next year (I believe. Please correct me if I'm wrong) to seperate it visually from its siblings. I wonder if the same attention will be lavished on the MKX?


MKX with same grill treatmen and further differentiation from the Edge (300hp) coming next. Cold be revealed in LA late this year if not sooner but definitely no later than next NAIAS.

MKZ is completely redone as well and IMO will be the best looking Lincoln. This will be revealed as part of the Hermosillo trio either in Chicago or NY quite possibly as a 2009 model. It will still have the 35D as base engine but the reskin will definitely differentiate it from the siblings.

Z0mg Seth
01-20-2008, 08:12 PM
MKX with same grill treatmen and further differentiation from the Edge (300hp) coming next. Cold be revealed in LA late this year if not sooner but definitely no later than next NAIAS.

MKZ is completely redone as well and IMO will be the best looking Lincoln. This will be revealed as part of the Hermosillo trio either in Chicago or NY quite possibly as a 2009 model. It will still have the 35D as base engine but the reskin will definitely differentiate it from the siblings.

Where'd you find all this out? I REALLY hope the MKZ will look mucho grande different from the Milan and Fusion....If only igor or wingsnut could confirm anything.....*cough*

megeebee
01-20-2008, 08:19 PM
MKX with same grill treatmen and further differentiation from the Edge (300hp) coming next. Cold be revealed in LA late this year if not sooner but definitely no later than next NAIAS.

MKZ is completely redone as well and IMO will be the best looking Lincoln. This will be revealed as part of the Hermosillo trio either in Chicago or NY quite possibly as a 2009 model. It will still have the 35D as base engine but the reskin will definitely differentiate it from the siblings.

Thank you. I look forward to seeing them both.

2b2
01-20-2008, 09:15 PM
Where'd you find all this out? I REALLY hope the MKZ will look mucho grande different from the Milan and Fusion....If only igor or wingsnut could confirm anything.....*cough*


I notice Raugaj has been a member for long time yet this is his first post...
(belated)WELCOME, RAUGAJ!!!!
& he sounds like an insider, like Wingsnut - - so there's probably 'limits' on what he can say -
which doesn't (directly) affect Igor, since he's not a Fomoco employee himself (AFAIK).
I'll just be glad (ie deliriously happy) that we have all these guys here at all :)

&
to answer (hope you don't mind the cross-forum convo, Seth)
...why is the MKT being compared to a Town Car when it is going to essentially be a large crossover? Wouldn't the MKS take the Town Car's spot more?

just Imho,
1 - the MKS is over a foot shorter than the smallest TownCar iirc
& 2 - the MKT has a sort of "grandeur" that makes the comparo easy (for me) where the MKS (saw at LAIAS) seems more "lithe"...
plus... got a hunch about the MKT...

Z0mg Seth
01-20-2008, 10:03 PM
I notice Raugaj has been a member for long time yet this is his first post...
(belated)WELCOME, RAUGAJ!!!!
& he sounds like an insider, like Wingsnut - - so there's probably 'limits' on what he can say -
which doesn't (directly) affect Igor, since he's not a Fomoco employee himself (AFAIK).
I'll just be glad (ie deliriously happy) that we have all these guys here at all :)

&
to answer (hope you don't mind the cross-forum convo, Seth)


just Imho,
1 - the MKS is over a foot shorter than the smallest TownCar iirc
& 2 - the MKT has a sort of "grandeur" that makes the comparo easy (for me) where the MKS (saw at LAIAS) seems more "lithe"...
plus... got a hunch about the MKT...

Cross-forum convos are just fine :D. May I hear your hunch about the MKT? It appears you believe the MKT will be a sedan (from all your chops), not a crossover.

2b2
01-20-2008, 10:27 PM
^^ :)
actually I kinda 'think' more than 'believe' (with any certainty) that they'll make both a crossover (bulkier than the concept) and a sedan (possibly near my chop)
even tho that might involve different greenhouses if not different wheelbases. :unsure:

otoh, maybe they will go with a single model that accomplishes both? :unsure: :unsure:

one thing I do believe is that Lincoln's new cars (from Zephyr onwards)(& Fomoco's in general)
MUST be seen, not only in the flesh, but On The Road
with (ugh) other cars around them.
This came to me with the 500 & Montego - soooo impressive in 'situ'!!!

umm... as for the hunch... please indulge me - at least until Chicago
it's a bit far-out (even for me)
>8-]

emdee
01-21-2008, 04:43 AM
I notice Raugaj has been a member for long time yet this is his first post...
(belated)WELCOME, RAUGAJ!!!!
& he sounds like an insider, like Wingsnut - - so there's probably 'limits' on what he can say -
which doesn't (directly) affect Igor, since he's not a Fomoco employee himself (AFAIK).
I'll just be glad (ie deliriously happy) that we have all these guys here at all :)

&
to answer (hope you don't mind the cross-forum convo, Seth)


just Imho,
1 - the MKS is over a foot shorter than the smallest TownCar iirc
& 2 - the MKT has a sort of "grandeur" that makes the comparo easy (for me) where the MKS (saw at LAIAS) seems more "lithe"...
plus... got a hunch about the MKT...
FoMoCo has made it clear on a couple of occasions that the Taurus/MKS/Flex/MKT/VolvoS60/80 platform will never be the basis for a Town Car replacement. Two reasons. First, they say it can't be made wide enough. It has plenty of room lengthwise, but there's a limit to how much it can stretched side to side, and it's apparently already reached that limit in the MKT. Having said that, though, I notice that the MKT specs on the Lincoln website suggest the MKT is actually wider than the Town Car by a fraction and its track width is wider by 3 or 4 inches. But this still doesn't prove that the interior package is as wide or wider than a TC. The MKT's width might be exaggerated by its bulging rear fenders and wide track stance.

Perhaps more importantly the livery and highway patrol market want nothing to do with FWD/AWD platforms. They are wedded to rear drive for reasons of durability (though some cities are trying out FWD in city patrol cars). As long as a car is running power through the same wheels used for steering, it's durability suffers from the extra heat and CV joints that have to shift power 90 degrees to get to the wheels. What they've long loved about the Panther platforms is their ability to run up to 500,000 miles without massive driveline failure. No FWD or AWD can comes close to that, at least not in heavy duty use. Most of those Town Cars you see crowding the streets of New York have anywhere from 150,000 to 300,000 miles on them in a couple of years, after which they're resold for a second life.

Not gonna' be any TC replacement with FWD/AWD.

What I believe, based on all the things we've heard, is that old TC will soldier on until they have the new RWD platform to work with, which would probably mean no earlier than 2011, with a 2012 model year. Until then, it's MKS, MKS Ecoboost, MKZ reskin, MKT, Nav update.... and no other new model until the RWD platform is ready. Either that or the price of gas will go so high that we'll get a Lincoln version of the Verve as fast as they can ship it over from Europe. Hopefully, no thought would be given to a Lincoln/Focus.

2b2
01-22-2008, 05:50 AM
Not gonna' be any TC replacement with FWD/AWD.

What I believe, based on all the things we've heard, is that old TC will soldier on until they have the new RWD platform to work with, which would probably mean no earlier than 2011, with a 2012 model year. Until then, it's MKS, MKS Ecoboost, MKZ reskin, MKT, Nav update.... and no other new model until the RWD platform is ready...


I agree, Emdee.
& probably shoulda differentiated betwn retail & fleet
Think it's fairly certain the Panther platform continues to 2012.
(tho I still wonder about the "mystery makeover" & the form(s) they'll take)

I do kinda see the (production)MKT(s) "filling-in" for the TC/flagship for retail customers.

&
...the Taurus/MKS/Flex/MKT/VolvoS60/80 platform...

to the best of my knowledge, it's not out of line to say there are at least 3 platforms used for those vehicles
(doubt if any one factory could build them all as it stands)
Taurus(& Sable) = D3
MKS & Flex = D32 (son of D3)
S60 = not sure about the old/current one but nextgen will be EUCD (OR C2)
S80 (& V70) = EUCD
(XC90 might still be a version of P1, the D3's parent (iirc))


edit1:
ummmmmm...
they haven't said where the MKT(s) will be built yet, have they?

edit2:
may anyone tell us the MKT's codename? not E386 is it?

emdee
01-23-2008, 04:36 AM
I see your point about the sub-categories of the D3. But I think Ford and Volvo both protesteth too much when anyone points out the family relationship of the Volvo S60/80 platform to the MKS and other FoMoCo products. Volvos aren't selling very well these days and I suspect they need to benefit from platform sharing as much as Ford and Lincoln. We've seen the same kind of reciprocity between Ford and Mazda: lastgen Mazda6 plaform begets Fusion platform; Fusion platform begets nextgen Mazda6 platform. Ford is making pretty wise use of the platforms in its stable.

2b2
01-26-2008, 10:50 PM
BORG @ NAIAS (http://www.mikekukielka.com/gallery/v/Detroit+Autoshow+2008/?g2_page=27)
93 pix of the MKT (& lots, lots more... warning: Large, approx. 3000x2000)
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y286/2b2/LincolnMKT_83.jpg (http://www.mikekukielka.com/gallery/v/Detroit+Autoshow+2008/?g2_page=27)
resistance is...

(the pic above was edited by me to show off the Hips ;) and subtle rear quarter sculpting)

2b2
01-29-2008, 11:23 PM
edit1:
ummmmmm...
they haven't said where the MKT(s) will be built yet, have they?

edit2:
may anyone tell us the MKT's codename? not E386 is it?



found a (possible) #1 answer
@ BON (http://www.blueovalforums.com/forums/lofiversion/index.php?t20494-100.html),
member/mod RichardJensen recounts that the MKT (& Flex) will be built at Oakville :surprised: :not-quite-Eeek:

re #2
he thinks the code is Not D4-something...
...does anyone-who-knows feel able to say?
(PM (http://www.fomoconews.com/forums/private.php?do=newpm&u=59)'s cheerfully accepted ;))

YellowZx5
03-26-2008, 09:53 PM
I am still not thrilled about this vehicle with the looks, but the technology and features it has is nice for what is coming out of the Lincoln Think Tank...

I see the rear of this girl to be not as pointed but I could be mistaken.

2b2
03-30-2008, 07:47 PM
..I see the rear of this girl to be not as pointed but I could be mistaken.


yeah/agree, the back will change most in the production-transformation
&
I'm still wondering if a crossover AND a sedan version could be in the works...

2b2
04-05-2008, 10:29 PM
thanks and apologies-for-swiping to
sgfootball2006 @ GMI (http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f19/some-dallas-auto-show-pictures-fixed-slow-loading-problems-62872/),
some 'lume' pix of the MKT
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w229/sgfootball2006/Dallas%20Auto%20show/th_DSC00047.jpg (http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w229/sgfootball2006/Dallas&#37;20Auto%20show/DSC00047.jpg) http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w229/sgfootball2006/Dallas%20Auto%20show/th_DSC00048.jpg from the Dallas Autoshow (http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w229/sgfootball2006/Dallas%20Auto%20show/DSC00048.jpg)