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SobeSVT
12-23-2007, 07:12 AM
Best and worst selling vehicles of 2007

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Ford F-Series. 2007 Best selling vehicle

Best-Selling Vehicles Of 2007


1. Ford F-Series
2. Chevrolet Silverado
3. Toyota Camry
4. Honda Accord
5. Toyota Corolla/Matrix
6. Honda Civic
7. Chevrolet Impala
8. Nissan Altima
9. Dodge Ram
10. Honda CR-V

Worst-Selling Vehicles Of 2007


1. Cadillac XLR
2. Mazda B-Series
3. Isuzu Ascender
4. Jaguar X-Type
5. Jaguar S-Type
6. Audi A8/S8
7. Porsche Boxster
8. Lexus SC430
9. Isuzu i-290/370
10. Jaguar XJ

for more CLICK HERE (http://www.motorauthority.com/news/industry/best-and-worst-selling-vehicles-of-2007/)

wingsnut
12-23-2007, 09:55 AM
How many CRV's are sold? I hope that the Edge makes the list one day.
That includes fleet sales numbers too, right? The Impala, although a fine car, will now lose mega sales to the better Malibu, and with GM's fleet reduction, I doubt either will be on the top ten list. It's the price that GM and Ford have to pay for offering several models close in size - versus one Camry or Accord.

megeebee
12-24-2007, 03:36 AM
Edge Sales through November: 116,400

Honda CR-V/ Same period: 200,500

I find this gauling. The CR-V is one of the single ugliest vehicles available to the buying public. Here in Seattle there's one on every corner. I truly hate them!

ndwariga
12-24-2007, 08:18 AM
Edge Sales through November: 116,400

Honda CR-V/ Same period: 200,500

I find this gauling. The CR-V is one of the single ugliest vehicles available to the buying public. Here in Seattle there's one on every corner. I truly hate them!
Its called Honda cool aid. Seriously. The Vue is a much better vehicle, and for me, I would take the escape if I wanted a cute ute. Its a true little ofroading beastess

SobeSVT
12-24-2007, 08:58 AM
That is one powerful Kool Aid. The CR-V's only sin that that it is one damn ugly car (although not as bad as the RAV-4) but it beats the VUE is every possible measurement (objective and subjective -there is that Kool Aid again). The Escape with its 4 speeds transaxle is doing as good as it possibly can.

The Edge does not compete in this segment, the Edge already took over the leader of its segment, the mighty Murano.

timmm55
12-24-2007, 12:59 PM
Best-Selling Vehicles Of 2007


1. Ford F-Series
2. Chevrolet Silverado
3. Toyota Camry
4. Honda Accord
5. Toyota Corolla/Matrix
6. Honda Civic
7. Chevrolet Impala
8. Nissan Altima
9. Dodge Ram
10. Honda CR-V

I remember when Ford had 3 or 4 cars in the top ten: the F150, Taurus, Focus/Escort...then along came Jack the Knife. :mad:

SobeSVT
12-24-2007, 06:04 PM
I remember when Ford had 3 or 4 cars in the top ten: the F150, Taurus, Focus/Escort...then along came Jack the Knife. :mad:
So true, so sad.

Mbukukanyau
12-25-2007, 08:15 AM
That is one powerful Kool Aid. The CR-V's only sin that that it is one damn ugly car (although not as bad as the RAV-4) but it beats the VUE is every possible measurement (objective and subjective -there is that Kool Aid again). The Escape with its 4 speeds transaxle is doing as good as it possibly can.

The Edge does not compete in this segment, the Edge already took over the leader of its segment, the mighty Murano.what makes you think CR-V is better than vue?

http://www.motivemagazine.com/emAlbum/albums/Manufacturers/Honda/CR-V/2007-Present/Exterior/honda-crv-029.jpg
http://www.motivemagazine.com/emAlbum/albums/Manufacturers/Saturn/Vue/Vue%202008/Vue%20Red%20Line%202008/2008-Saturn-Vue-Red-Line-011.jpg

wingsnut
12-25-2007, 08:35 AM
Good gawd that CR-V is horrible.
If it had any other tag than a Honda, it would not sell at all.

Mbukukanyau
12-25-2007, 08:49 AM
Good gawd that CR-V is horrible.
If it had any other tag than a Honda, it would not sell at all.So true, the interior is even worse.
As for Rav 4, its now an edge competitor, its as big as the outgoing highlander.
It cannot touch the Edge in any reasonable way. And Do not tell me about puppy third row seats.

wingsnut
12-25-2007, 10:02 AM
Seriously people, that Honda CR-V is the worst styling of any vehicle made in 2008. Heck, people poke fun of the Focus, but it is charming next to that.

Also, I have not seen that angle of the Vue before, and it looks good. How much is that model pictured above?

ndwariga
12-25-2007, 10:10 AM
Seriously people, that is the worst styling of any vehicle made in 2008. Heck, people poke fun of the Focus, but it is charming next to that.

I have not seen that angle of the Vue before, and it looks good. How much is that model pictured above?the honda, would be the top of the range model.So it would be MSRP $24,800.00

SobeSVT
12-25-2007, 11:59 AM
what makes you think CR-V is better than vue?

The VUE is heavy, underpowered and with an interior as cheap as a pair of underwear from a dollar store. And after looking at those two pictures, as ugly as the CR-V.

Mbukukanyau
12-25-2007, 02:09 PM
The VUE is heavy, underpowered and with an interior as cheap as a pair of underwear from a dollar store. And after looking at those two pictures, as ugly as the CR-V.
This is evidence you have not been in a Vue.

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The Vue's interior is better. I have been in it, and CR V

SobeSVT
12-25-2007, 03:00 PM
This is evidence you have not been in a Vue.


The Vue's interior is better. I have been in it, and CR V
You have got to be kidding . . . Merry Christmas!

Mbukukanyau
12-25-2007, 03:48 PM
You have got to be kidding . . . Merry Christmas!
merry X-mas!!! SobeSVT!!
and go see the vue. Seriously, the interior triumphs the CR-V in materials and quality.

SobeSVT
12-25-2007, 04:07 PM
merry X-mas!!! SobeSVT!!
and go see the vue. Seriously, the interior triumphs the CR-V in materials and quality.
Seen it, driven it, in all its trim levels. Although it certainly is a MAJOR improvement over its predecessor (and being $2500 more expensive, well . . . it better be) it is far from the standard in its segment. Read any review, most of the media agree on this.

This is som of what Car & Driver has to say about it:


The quiet solidity is no illusion as the ’08 Vue comes in at a staggering 4146 pounds, nearly 400 more pounds than the last Vue V-6 AWD we tested and about 500 pounds heavier than a principal competitor, the Toyota RAV4 V-6 with all-wheel drive. Making the weight gain even more startling is the fact that the new Vue is nearly the exact size as the outgoing Vue and rides on the same 106.6-inch wheelbase. That extra mass makes the Vue the fat kid of the small-SUV class, a class occupied and dominated by the Ford Escape, Honda CR-V, and RAV4—all of which are hundreds of pounds lighter than the Vue. The weight gain might have been defensible if the new Vue had grown in size or offered a third row. Want a third row? A Saturn sales rep might suggest going for the much-larger $27,990 Saturn Outlook.

Mbukukanyau
12-25-2007, 04:15 PM
Seen it, driven it, in all its trim levels. Although it certainly is a MAJOR improvement over its predecessor (and being $2500 more expensive, well . . . it better be) it is far from the standard in its segment. Read any review, most of the media agree on this.

This is som of what Car & Driver has to say about it:




The quiet solidity is no illusion as the ’08 Vue comes in at a staggering 4146 pounds, nearly 400 more pounds than the last Vue V-6 AWD we tested and about 500 pounds heavier than a principal competitor, the Toyota RAV4 V-6 with all-wheel drive. Making the weight gain even more startling is the fact that the new Vue is nearly the exact size as the outgoing Vue and rides on the same 106.6-inch wheelbase. That extra mass makes the Vue the fat kid of the small-SUV class, a class occupied and dominated by the Ford Escape, Honda CR-V, and RAV4—all of which are hundreds of pounds lighter than the Vue. The weight gain might have been defensible if the new Vue had grown in size or offered a third row. Want a third row? A Saturn sales rep might suggest going for the much-larger $27,990 Saturn Outlook. SobeSVT, the weight gain comes from more equipment and safety, its styled better and 3rd row seat in this class is like rear seats in a Porsche. Useless.Personally, Here is how I would buy
Escape
Vue
CR V
Rav 4

wingsnut
12-25-2007, 09:55 PM
Actually, I like more weight in a vehicle, but I am shocked at the Vue. I have seen it up close and it looks no bigger than an Escape, yet weighs so much more - with pretty much similar safety and features.

nsap
12-26-2007, 06:25 AM
Actually, I like more weight in a vehicle, but I am shocked at the Vue. I have seen it up close and it looks no bigger than an Escape, yet weighs so much more - with pretty much similar safety and features.

The Escape isn't a IIHS Top Picks vehicle, the Vue is. Regardless, it is too heavy. Luckily GM realizes this.

SobeSVT
12-26-2007, 06:39 AM
The Escape isn't a IIHS Top Picks vehicle, the Vue is. Regardless, it is too heavy. Luckily GM realizes this.
Its weird though, that they awarded the distinction only to the VUE built after THIS month. Do you know why? The current VUE has been in production much longer than that. Also, they placed it in the midsize SUV category. Must be the weight.
In any case, the much lighter CR-V is a IIHS Top Pick winner.
What is GM planing to do about the overweight? You said "Luckily GM realizes this" so I kind of understand that they are going to do something about it.

nsap
12-26-2007, 06:52 AM
What is GM planing to do about the overweight? You said "Luckily GM realizes this" so I kind of understand that they are going to do something about it.

GM's chief engineer is on the record of saying that many GM vehicles are overweight. The Vue is overweight because they had to do significant chassis modifications to it to meet current and future safety standards world-wide. Since the platform/vehicle is sold in about every market.

They are trimming down the weight on all new platforms from this point on. Actually, GM has a team dedicated to doing only that; cutting weight. The Vue has to stay heavy at this point, because it is needed to maintain safety.

SobeSVT
12-26-2007, 07:33 AM
GM's chief engineer is on the record of saying that many GM vehicles are overweight. The Vue is overweight because they had to do significant chassis modifications to it to meet current and future safety standards world-wide. Since the platform/vehicle is sold in about every market.

They are trimming down the weight on all new platforms from this point on. Actually, GM has a team dedicated to doing only that; cutting weight. The Vue has to stay heavy at this point, because it is needed to maintain safety.
Then how come is the CR-V lighter and as safe? This is a rhetorical question, you don't have to really answer it if you don't want, but I don't see the luck in realizing something if they can't do anything about it.

I wonder if the Kuga will also be a pig when it gets here?

nsap
12-26-2007, 07:54 AM
Then how come is the CR-V lighter and as safe? This is a rhetorical question, you don't have to really answer it if you don't want, but I don't see the luck in realizing something if they can't do anything about it.

I wonder if the Kuga will also be a pig when it gets here?

I'm not familar with Honda' so I have no clue.

GM said there is nothing they can do about it until they have a new platform for it. However we are lucky that they admit to it and not just try to PR their way around it. At least the Vue will likely be the end of it.

wingsnut
12-26-2007, 08:13 AM
I'm not familar with Honda' so I have no clue.

GM said there is nothing they can do about it until they have a new platform for it. However we are lucky that they admit to it and not just try to PR their way around it. At least the Vue will likely be the end of it.


Blaming safety for excessive weight is not PR stuff?

I guess we all have our own tinted glasses on at some time or other;)

nsap
12-26-2007, 08:23 AM
Blaming safety for excessive weight is not PR stuff?

I guess we all have our own tinted glasses on at some time or other;)

It was done for safety. GM high-up's said they don't like it being that heavy and that they no it is a problem. No too PR like IMO.

SobeSVT
12-26-2007, 08:31 AM
It was done for safety. GM high-up's said they don't like it being that heavy and that they no it is a problem. No too PR like IMO.
You are saying safety is to blame, but Honda makes a much lighter CR-V which also is an IIHS Top Pick and which is also sold in a whole bunch of different markets.

So yeah, blaming safety and the mea culpa constriction act, sound very very PRish to me.

nsap
12-26-2007, 08:42 AM
You are saying safety is to blame, but Honda makes a much lighter CR-V which also is an IIHS Top Pick and which is also sold in a whole bunch of different markets.

So yeah, blaming safety and the mea culpa constriction act, sound very very PRish to me.

Sobe, I know you are smart enough to now that no two platforms are the same, nor can two be compared when it comes to the R&D behind each. Is it bad that it weighs so much? Yes. Does GM admit that it is babd? Yes.

There is nothing to argue about.

SobeSVT
12-26-2007, 08:54 AM
Sobe, I know you are smart enough to now that no two platforms are the same, nor can two be compared when it comes to the R&D behind each. Is it bad that it weighs so much? Yes. Does GM admit that it is babd? Yes.

There is nothing to argue about.
Well, if that is the approach we might as well close all message boards. Comparing cars is what we do here. The CR-V and the VUE are among the latest in the small SUV segment. Why would we nit pick a single issue that must be kept out of boundaries when it comes to comparisons? Should we stop talking about power to weight ratios of the Flex compared to the Lambdas? isn't that also a result of R&D?

Honda made a very safe small SUV with the right weight. What does that mean? Very simple, that it can be done,that's all there is to it. Opel/Saturn didn't do it, well that is too bad. Period.

Excuse me but when you are trumpeting a no-excuses policy and advertising the hell out of a vehicle as world class, best among the best, just whispering on the side that we feel that the car is overweight and that is no good, sounds like PR to me. Low key, but PR nonetheless.

wingsnut
12-26-2007, 08:55 AM
-nsap-,
you are completely missing the point.

nsap
12-26-2007, 10:10 AM
Well, if that is the approach we might as well close all message boards. Comparing cars is what we do here. The CR-V and the VUE are among the latest in the small SUV segment. Why would we nit pick a single issue that must be kept out of boundaries when it comes to comparisons? Should we stop talking about power to weight ratios of the Flex compared to the Lambdas? isn't that also a result of R&D?

Honda made a very safe small SUV with the right weight. What does that mean? Very simple, that it can be done,that's all there is to it. Opel/Saturn didn't do it, well that is too bad. Period.

I have not once made excuses for the heaviness of the Vue. It is bad (I have already said such). It SHOULD NOT BE AS HEAVY AS IT IS! What else do you want me to say?!?! I'm not making excuses for it, simply arguing that GM is not PR-ing their way around it. A company that admits a problem is not trying to PR their way through the problem!

So would you have suggested they not add the extra safety to the Vue? Unfortunately that was the only other option. The platform is aging, it is not new and it was not designed with future safety regulations (global regs, not US) in mind. DUMB on GM's part. I will not once make excuses for such stupidity on GM's engineering on this platform. It is a good platform, but should not be heavy like it is, nor should have future safety regs been left out of it.


-nsap-,
you are completely missing the point.

And you two skew my points to fit your agendas.

wingsnut
12-26-2007, 10:58 AM
When you say there is no PR spinning going on when they blame heaviness on "safety" then my friend -- it is you that is skewing.

Everyone else has managaged to stay much lighter AND (key word here) meet safety targets - except GM.

Nobody is saying you think it's OK either, just don't say that blaming safety is NOT a PR spin. It is.

nsap
12-26-2007, 11:04 AM
When you say there is no PR spinning going on when they blame heaviness on "safety" then my friend -- it is you that is skewing.

Everyone else has managaged to stay much lighter AND (key word here) meet safety targets - except GM.

Nobody is saying you think it's OK either, just don't say that blaming safety is NOT a PR spin. It is.

Telling the truth is PR spinning?

wingsnut
12-26-2007, 11:15 AM
Telling the truth is PR spinning?


Absolutley.
Why? Because the entire vehicle should be designed with safety in mind and as a priority over EVERYTHING else. If you spin it positive and say this and that was "added" for safety, then you are spinning. Still, kudos to GM for keeping it positive. Detroit needs that.

SobeSVT
12-26-2007, 11:18 AM
There is one thing thought, that happened this month to the VUE, that was make or break for it to be a Top IIHS Top Pick (the VUEs made before the 12/07 are NOT IIHS Top Pick). Is that thing where all the extra weight comes from? Does anyone knows what it is?

If that change, device or whatever it is, weights the extra 500 pounds, well so be it and the buyers are better off with it. If not, the safety excuse for the extra weight is not only PR but also BS. Again, does anyone knows what it is?

wingsnut
12-26-2007, 11:29 AM
You can improve safety greatly with some simple engineered gussets and strategic locations of welds and shaped crush zones, etc. That can all be done with almost no weight at all. Having more airbags does add weight, but certainly not 500 lbs worth.

nsap
12-26-2007, 11:32 AM
Absolutley.
Why? Because the entire vehicle should be designed with safety in mind and as a priority over EVERYTHING else. If you spin it positive and say this and that was "added" for safety, then you are spinning. Still, kudos to GM for keeping it positive. Detroit needs that.

I won't argue any of what you say. I agree.

However its not PR.

wingsnut
12-26-2007, 12:14 PM
I won't argue any of what you say. I agree.

However its not PR.


That's fair. I guess I was splitting hairs as well.

SobeSVT
12-26-2007, 12:18 PM
I still don't know what this 12/07 magical change was that gave the VUE a place among the IIHS Top Picks list. I still don't know if it weights 500 lbs.

nsap
12-26-2007, 01:06 PM
I still don't know what this 12/07 magical change was that gave the VUE a place among the IIHS Top Picks list. I still don't know if it weights 500 lbs.

The only thing I can think of is that they have changed the design of the roof (production probably started this month of the new design). However it was changed to add the sunroof option, not for safety.