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Mbukukanyau
12-12-2008, 04:25 PM
http://uaw.org/auto/12_12_08auto2.cfm

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2008/12/12/auto-workers-union-lashes-gop-senators-bailout-collapse/

2b2
12-12-2008, 06:01 PM
UAW 12/12/08 news conference videos - UAW.org (http://uaw.org/auto/12_12_08auto2.cfm)

5 sizeable videos with Mr. Gettelfinger & the press


SORRY - DUPLICATE POST -- Link to Mbukukanyau's original thread (http://www.fomoconews.com/forums/showthread.php?p=19520#post19520)
mods please delete

these videos are a MUST SEE !!

MERCURYSABLE08
12-12-2008, 06:53 PM
these videos are a MUST SEE !!

I agree 2b2. Everyone should watch.

mchicha
12-13-2008, 09:19 AM
personally insulted & being set up is funny.

his wage of discussion is flawed in that it does not take into account legacy costs.
He is discussing benefits while the problem for him now is keeping basic jobs.
I feel bad for Ron, he inheritated a fat union with unreasonable benefits.

Ron also dodges the question of whether the GOP is paying them (unions back) for lack of support.

mchicha
12-14-2008, 10:16 AM
A sneak peak into the the other side of this issue


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2b2
12-14-2008, 04:23 PM
I don't know, Mchicha

it really seems to me the Senate was asking the UAW to promise "competitive wages" when those wages of the foreign transplants aren't even very well known
&
also asked the UAW to promise a Date ...when that depends on circumstances beyond their control - ex: the amount of layoffs GM will decide upon between now and that DATE
&
IF I WAS DEALING WITH POLITICIANS, I'D WANT TIME TO COUNT MY FINGERS
BEFORE I PROMISED THEM ANYTHING

might just be that Mr. G. used a number of words I wanted to hear THAT NO ONE ELSE WAS SAYING
but
he really impressed me favorably.

Mbukukanyau
12-14-2008, 10:17 PM
I don't know, Mchicha

it really seems to me the Senate was asking the UAW to promise "competitive wages" when those wages of the foreign transplants aren't even very well known
&
also asked the UAW to promise a Date ...when that depends on circumstances beyond their control - ex: the amount of layoffs GM will decide upon between now and that DATE
&
IF I WAS DEALING WITH POLITICIANS, I'D WANT TIME TO COUNT MY FINGERS
BEFORE I PROMISED THEM ANYTHING

might just be that Mr. G. used a number of words I wanted to hear THAT NO ONE ELSE WAS SAYING
but
he really impressed me favorably.Hi 2b2. Long time!!
My take is this. Senator Corker (I wonder if that’s the spelling) makes a good case. In his plan, all the stake holders are giving up something. Basically they are moving liabilities, (including bonds) into equity (up to 70&#37; of all liabilities) as in this immediately makes these companies viable for the long haul.

The problem with Ron is that he is looking at the short term prospect. He thinks he can drag this thing until Jan 20th and preserve the convoluted contracts that have brought the grim ripper upon Detroit. And hopefully an Obama labor secretary can screw everyone else and preserve unions contracts as they are.

The problem with this Scenario for Ron is that he does not see the viability of the company’s long term as beneficial to his members. He is seeking a political victory against the GOP. That will be difficult to come by even after an Obama presidency. If he goes to Bankruptcy court, he is screwed; there is zero political mileage there. Corker is really his best hope of saving jobs. At this point, basic jobs should be his concern, not the pork he is seeking to preserve. Remember this senator was once a union card carrying member. He is not interested in sticking it to the unions as Ron purports.

In essence, the UAW needs new leadership that is going to look at long term job preservation that can come only from clean balance sheets and nothing else. Ron’s approach should have been, Yes, I will give you what you want, but this is what I need from banks and bond holders to get it. In essence, tell cocker, we need another 10% from banks and Bond holders to go with your plan, so that the companies can wipe out 80% of their debt and put it in equity, to get the federal funding. That would put his union in a place to fight another day.

Remember GM has come out and said 15 billion is enough, they will not come for more. Ford has said they do not need it.

For Ron, jobs should be the issue, not pork.

The blame game is really a distraction. There is no ill intent on anyone’s part, perhaps different philosophies, but Ron is talking like its 1919. This is different. UAW clearly needs new leadership.

MaxLegroom
12-16-2008, 06:43 AM
Sometimes labor unions can be difficult to get rid of. Here is an example where, yes, the tapeworm was removed. However, the patient did not survive. http://books.google.com/books?id=k4Y94lYVuqkC&dq=Frank+Lorenzo+eastern+airlines&printsec=frontcover&source=bl&ots=A6o8ASZBE6&sig=zZ5m0eMgEq0zqtfYgzdrhkPUt4E&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=4&ct=result#PPA8,M1

MKII
12-16-2008, 07:00 AM
IMO the so called leaders in all of this are not showing a very good example of how to handle a very serious situation, which effects the world not just North America.

Great leaders will thrive in such dire straits, with creative thinking etc and use this a ground breaking period to take the auto industry into the 21st century in a positive fashion, but what I am seeing is a powerplay to nowhere.
Its disgusting,scary even and I feel embarrassed that these so called leaders are were they are.

member12
12-23-2008, 12:55 PM
personally insulted & being set up is funny.

his wage of discussion is flawed in that it does not take into account legacy costs.
He is discussing benefits while the problem for him now is keeping basic jobs.
I feel bad for Ron, he inheritated a fat union with unreasonable benefits.

Ron also dodges the question of whether the GOP is paying them (unions back) for lack of support.

In order to pay for legacy cost, the union is going to cut money from the less powerful, younger members to keep the more seasoned and retired members happy.

That alone is going to contribute greatly to the UAW's demise. Share the wealth and the losses.

Tahoe
12-23-2008, 01:43 PM
In order to pay for legacy cost, the union is going to cut money from the less powerful, younger members to keep the more seasoned and retired members happy.

That alone is going to contribute greatly to the UAW's demise. Share the wealth and the losses.At $14.00 before benefits, when Veba kicks in, there will really be no incentive to pay union dues.
I think we might be seeing the beggining of the end. All the Detroit 3 need to do now is address older workers benefits with Unions. As in renegotiate the old retirements contracts now.