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: What Happened to the F100 Idea?



CartracT
12-14-2009, 02:43 PM
I haven't heard anything in the rumor mill lately on the prospects of an F100 mid-sized pickup. I hope its still on the table. While the new F150 is awesome, it's simply too large for my needs....I really want a mid-sized pickup. I'm not interested in the towing capacity, but I need the utility of a truck. I've been driving F150's since '78 and I don't want to drive anything else....but I will if I find a mid-size that will work (I like the concept and size of a Honda Ridgeline, but its a horrible looking thing....and that's important to me.....I want a sharp looking truck)! Thanks.

ausrutherford
12-14-2009, 02:49 PM
Its still being considered.

theoldwizard1
12-14-2009, 05:24 PM
Without a Sport Trac and with Ranger going away, Ford definitely will have a hole.

2b2
12-14-2009, 05:38 PM
Congrats on your first post/thread, CartracT. Welcome to the forum! :)
&
don't know if you've heard the same stories...

first, the F-100 was going to be a separate model but the guys specifying went overboard and it came out too close to the F-150 (weight, mpg, & capabilities)

then it was reported that some weight-saving features could be incorporated into the F-150, so less need for a midsizer

I'm still hoping for the new T6 platform to spawn a number of North American models -- even tho the latest word is we won't be getting any :(
(that can change TOO ;))

imho we need a small truck more than a midsizer

fordlepka@aim.com
12-14-2009, 07:12 PM
I'd love for Ford to finally dominate the midsize pick-up category. The could nail it hard. :bounce:

Tahoe
12-14-2009, 07:52 PM
I'd love for Ford to finally dominate the midsize pick-up category. The could nail it hard. :bounce:

I remember way back before Sobesvt became mean and left, there was a posting he did of a mule of this F100

theoldwizard1
12-15-2009, 01:20 AM
I'm still surprised that there is no T6 for North America in the plans.

Still a small possibility of a Sprot Trac off of the unibody Explorer, but that would be a few years out also.

2b2
12-15-2009, 10:22 AM
^ yup, theoldwizard1

imho it's simply, purely Unbelievable...
...like a not-so-well-written suspense movie - waiting for the obvious-inevitable 'twist'/'surprise' ending
http://home.surfree.com/~pauld/popcorn2.gif
re-imho,
T6 ought to be spawning up to a half dozen N.A. models

Logans Run
12-15-2009, 11:37 AM
Would a transit connect based mini-truck have a market here?

They could also do a truck off the larger transit that might be sold here later. I imagine that would weigh less and get better MPG than a model based off the current F-series.

Volvo_S70
12-15-2009, 01:06 PM
Would a transit connect based mini-truck have a market here?

They could also do a truck off the larger transit that might be sold here later. I imagine that would weigh less and get better MPG than a model based off the current F-series.

it would be one fugly little truck if they made one from transit.


The Truck to beat is tacoma.


the power to beat is the Canyo/Corolado V8

sccaSVT
12-15-2009, 03:09 PM
I had seen a sketch on another site that was great looking. But, if Ford can pull better fuel economy numbers out of an F-150 for much lower cost, then I'm all for it. Here is a link to that article: http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2009/01/who-killed-the-f100-motor-trend-knows.html
And to the Motor Trend article that is mentioned: http://www.motortrend.com/features/auto_news/2009/112_0901_ford_f_100/index.html
Plus, what Ford has planned instead: http://www.pickuptrucks.com/html/news/ford/f150/ecoboost/ford-planning-four-cylinder-ecoboost-for-f150.html

CartracT
12-15-2009, 03:18 PM
I had seen a sketch on another site that was great looking. But, if Ford can pull better fuel economy numbers out of an F-150 for much lower cost, then I'm all for it. Here is a link to that article: http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2009/01/who-killed-the-f100-motor-trend-knows.html
And to the Motor Trend article that is mentioned: http://www.motortrend.com/features/auto_news/2009/112_0901_ford_f_100/index.html
Plus, what Ford has planned instead: http://www.pickuptrucks.com/html/news/ford/f150/ecoboost/ford-planning-four-cylinder-ecoboost-for-f150.html

Thanks for posting the link to this article and sketch.....I would make a "beeline" to the dealer to buy a mid-sized F100 that looked like this one...I loved this concept drawing the first time I saw it. This thing is sharp. I don't want a truck to look like it came from overseas....I want it to look American and sharp like this concept. I'm past the point of needing a large pickup like the F150 (each generation has become larger)....I want the utility of a pick up, comfort of a car, and something I could drive everyday and get somewhere north of 20 mpg. I'd be happy with the 3.5 eco-boost as I don't need a big V-8 engine....and I don't want and will not buy a compact. Thanks again for posting the link to the sketch....I love that drawing!

2b2
12-15-2009, 11:19 PM
I remember way back before Sobesvt became mean and left, there was a posting he did of a mule of this F100

I can't find that post, Tahoe
but was it like these?
"First spy shots of T6 Ranger mules" thread (http://www.fomoconews.com/forums/showthread.php?p=23503#post23503)
"More Ranger mule spy shots" thread (http://www.fomoconews.com/forums/showthread.php?p=23575#post23575)
Spied! Ford Ranger "T6" Global Small Pickup - PickupTrucks.com (http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2009/05/spied-ford-ranger-t6-global-small-pickup.html)
all from last May?
or
like the F-100 rendering from January (& maybe earlier too)
Who Killed the F-100? Motor Trend Knows - PickupTrucks.com (http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2009/01/who-killed-the-f100-motor-trend-knows.html)

theoldwizard1
12-16-2009, 06:26 AM
Hmm ... Pickuptrucks.com (http://www.pickuptrucks.com/html/news/ford/f150/ecoboost/ford-planning-four-cylinder-ecoboost-for-f150.html) mentions a 2.5L EcoBoost in the F150. I have ever heard of that engine getting EcoBoost, although it makes more senses in an F150 than the 2.0L.

Also they speculate that the 2.5L EB should make "greater than 260 hp", a number that is much more believable than the 230-280 hp out of a 2.0L EB !

2b2
12-16-2009, 12:01 PM
tho this probably isn't the best thread in which to post this EB/HP speculation chart...
(the highlighted cells show from which engine the HP per Liter numbers are derived
I 'bracketed' the MKR's 415hp/118.57 per Liter to avoid decimals)<table cellpadding=5 border=1>
<tr><td align=center>EB&nbsp;disp./HP
</td><td align=center>SHO<br><font size=1>104.28 per Liter</font>
</td><td align=center>MKR-<br><font size=1>115 per Liter</font>
</td><td align=center>MKR+<br><font size=1>120 per Liter</font>
</td><td align=center>'rumor'<br><font size=1>127.5 per Liter</font>
</td><td align=center>ExplorerAmerica<br><font size=1>140 per Liter</font>
</td></tr>
<tr><td align=center>3.5
</td><td bgcolor=#ffff00>365
</td><td bgcolor=#ffff00>402.5
</td><td bgcolor=#ffff00>420
</td><td>446.25
</td><td>490
</td></tr>
<tr><td align=center>2.5
</td><td>260
</td><td>287
</td><td>300
</td><td>318.75
</td><td>350
</td></tr>
<tr><td align=center>2.0
</td><td>208.5
</td><td>230
</td><td>240
</td><td bgcolor=#ffff00>255
</td><td bgcolor=#ffff00>280
</td></tr>
<tr><td align=center>1.6
</td><td>166.8
</td><td>184
</td><td>192
</td><td>204
</td><td>224
</td></tr>
</table>

sccaSVT
12-16-2009, 02:25 PM
Thanks again for posting the link to the sketch....I love that drawing!

No problem. I actually was looking forward to a truck sized between the Ranger & F150. But, this is what I call a "stillborn" project. One with good merit that was ended by some financial force. I add the F-100 into the same category with the Pontiac G8 ST.

Volvo_S70
12-16-2009, 04:28 PM
No problem. I actually was looking forward to a truck sized between the Ranger & F150. But, this is what I call a "stillborn" project. One with good merit that was ended by some financial force. I add the F-100 into the same category with the Pontiac G8 ST.

As long as Tacoma is on sale, someone is eating Fords Lunch.

YellowZx5
12-16-2009, 08:59 PM
I think Ford needs a truck like the Nissan Frontier, but just looks and give it an EB 4. I think that the Ranger is out to pasture, but a new 4 door smaller F100 would be perfect for the USA.

sccaSVT
12-18-2009, 01:24 PM
As long as Tacoma is on sale, someone is eating Fords Lunch.

I remember reading (I may still have it) an article in Motor Trend back in 1995, when Toyota actually changed the truck's name to Tacoma. Back then, the Ranger was actually the top selling compact. Look at where it is now. :(

2b2
01-18-2010, 03:29 PM
Ford F-150 Is Likely Ranger Replacement - PickupTrucks.com (http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2010/01/ford-f150-is-likely-ranger-replacement.html)
Posted by Mike Levine
January 18, 2010

Contrary to the interest voiced in reinventing small pickups for the U.S. from Chrysler, Nissan and Scion, Ford is keeping plans to end production of the U.S.-built Ranger next year and offer only full-size F-Series pickups, though there's still a chance the Ranger could be replaced in North America with Ford's upcoming global midsize truck...

..."Today, a lot of customers who buy Rangers are the people who use it as a commuter vehicle," Derrick Kuzak, Ford's group vice president of product development, told PickupTrucks.com last week at the 2010 North American International Auto Show. "But with the new Ford Fiesta and Focus coming into the lineup, those kinds of customers will have other alternatives to the Ranger."

Kuzak said another reason for eliminating the Ranger is Ford's effort to improve the fuel economy of its F-Series pickups.

"We're going to continue to make the F-Series significantly more fuel efficient while still providing the level of capability that the F-150 provides today," Kuzak said. "There will be no compromise for better fuel efficiency. The vast majority of Ranger buyers are not using the full capability of the truck. We have to compare those customers choosing a very affordable and fuel-efficient F-150."...


more... (http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2010/01/ford-f150-is-likely-ranger-replacement.html)

ausrutherford
01-18-2010, 06:49 PM
Just make the F-100 and Sport trac to cover all the levels.

theoldwizard1
01-19-2010, 01:04 AM
..."Today, a lot of customers who buy Rangers are the people who use it as a commuter vehicle," Derrick Kuzak, Ford's group vice president of product development, told PickupTrucks.com last week at the 2010 North American International Auto Show. "But with the new Ford Fiesta and Focus coming into the lineup, those kinds of customers will have other alternatives to the Ranger."


A Fiesta/Focus to replace a Ranger ? Kuzak has been "drinking the Kool Aid" for too long !

None of the B/C car derivatives are close to bing a small/medium size pick up !

Logans Run
01-19-2010, 05:29 AM
Just chop the Transit connect and add a 5 foot bed.

2b2
01-19-2010, 12:43 PM
Just chop the Transit connect and add a 5 foot bed.

been there (http://www.fomoconews.com/forums/showpost.php?p=21903&postcount=53)
done that
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y286/2b2/nonFomoco/th_TeeCo-Up.jpg (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y286/2b2/nonFomoco/TeeCo-Up.jpg)
;)

theoldwizard1
01-19-2010, 04:09 PM
been there (http://www.fomoconews.com/forums/showpost.php?p=21903&postcount=53)
done that
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y286/2b2/nonFomoco/th_TeeCo-Up.jpg (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y286/2b2/nonFomoco/TeeCo-Up.jpg)
;)
A bit odd looking, but interesting !

Really would need a better powertrain !

Logans Run
01-20-2010, 05:17 AM
A bit odd looking, but interesting !

Really would need a better powertrain !

Thanks 2b2.good tweak.

With the new 2.0 liter from the 2012 Focus, power should be adequate. It should also offer the same hybrid/battery options as transit connect does for fleet sales.

CartracT
01-27-2010, 04:45 PM
Ford is missing my point.....the F150 has become too large! My 97, 98, and 99 was perfect...my 04 barely fits in my garage....and I'm not even going to try a '10 because its bigger. Plus I don't care about towing 8K+.....why don't they sell an F250 for this kind of capacity. I've driven Ford's since '78, but that is coming to a halt with the '10! I would love to stay with Ford, but I want something about the size of a Dakota, Tocoma (I'd never buy ether of these) but they represent the size truck I would like to replace my F150. I really like the Ridgline concept....but until Honda gets the drift that we don't like ugly trucks I won't buy one of them either. I did look at the '10 F150....now they have made matters worse....I can't get the 5.5 box in a SuperCab configuration....so I'm out of the market!

2b2
04-11-2010, 07:12 PM
thought this might fit in this thread...

Is the Honda Ridgeline Going Away? - PickupTrucks.com (http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2010/04/is-the-honda-ridgeline-going-away.html)
Posted by Mike Levine | April 9, 2010

Is the Honda Ridgeline Going Away?

While the automaker won’t comment, sources tell us that Honda won't replace the current Ridgeline unibody pickup after its current lifecycle ends around 2012.

Honda had hopes of selling approximately 50,000 trucks per year when the truck came to market in 2005 for the 2006 model year, but in 2009 only 16,464 units were sold.

The midsize, unibody Ridgeline broke new ground in pickups with controversial slab-sided lunar-lander looks and all-wheel drive. It did away with conventional leaf springs in favor of an independent rear suspension that gave it great ride comfort and enough room for an in-bed lockable trunk – the first in a pickup. The Ridgeline also featured a dual-action tailgate that folded down or off to the side, like a door, to allow unimpeded access to the cargo box.

Asked to confirm or deny the end of the Ridgeline, Honda public relations manager Christina Ra told PickupTrucks.com on Friday that the company had no comment beyond what we were told after the 2010 Chicago Auto Show: "There would be no significant change to the Ridgeline through the 2011 model year."

Of course, Ra didn't deny the Ridgeline would be killed after the 2011 model year either.

mchicha
04-12-2010, 12:34 PM
thought this might fit in this thread...

Is the Honda Ridgeline Going Away? - PickupTrucks.com (http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2010/04/is-the-honda-ridgeline-going-away.html)
Posted by Mike Levine | April 9, 2010

Is the Honda Ridgeline Going Away?

While the automaker won’t comment, sources tell us that Honda won't replace the current Ridgeline unibody pickup after its current lifecycle ends around 2012.

Honda had hopes of selling approximately 50,000 trucks per year when the truck came to market in 2005 for the 2006 model year, but in 2009 only 16,464 units were sold.

The midsize, unibody Ridgeline broke new ground in pickups with controversial slab-sided lunar-lander looks and all-wheel drive. It did away with conventional leaf springs in favor of an independent rear suspension that gave it great ride comfort and enough room for an in-bed lockable trunk – the first in a pickup. The Ridgeline also featured a dual-action tailgate that folded down or off to the side, like a door, to allow unimpeded access to the cargo box.

Asked to confirm or deny the end of the Ridgeline, Honda public relations manager Christina Ra told PickupTrucks.com on Friday that the company had no comment beyond what we were told after the 2010 Chicago Auto Show: "There would be no significant change to the Ridgeline through the 2011 model year."

Of course, Ra didn't deny the Ridgeline would be killed after the 2011 model year either.

Its an Oddessey Minivan cut open in the back and a pilot SUC up front. It was a bad idea from the beggining..

which is really just another accord... Not exactly truck material.

Colvindesign
04-15-2010, 06:39 AM
The sad thing is, oil prices are subject to greedy CEO's in the US and Greedy oil sheiks in the middle east. They can rise up at any moment with little reason.

Sure, they can make improvements for mileage improvements to the existing F150, but a light weight truck low on options with those same improvements would be that much better. We do have off-shore oil supplies within US territory, if we dropped our oil consumption significantly, we could dictate the prices.

I remember I used to have an old ad for an early 80's Ford Escort Wagon, it advertised 54 mpg. Today, a car 1/2 it's size is lucky to get 33 mpg. I know that the standard for measuring did change, but not that much. And I know the Gallon did not get any bigger, well I'm pretty sure at least ;)

I think the US market is too accustomed to getting leather, power everything, heated everything, heated and cooled seats, Navigation, stability control traction control parking assist, defrosting mirrors, AM-FM-CD-DVD-MP3, 15 speaker sound system..... etc etc etc. We're spoiled. I used to have an early Fox body ford, it had an Am-FM radio, AC and a rear window defroster. It had an 80 hp 2.3L engine, and got about 40mpg. I was fine driving that thing. We don't NEED all this crap. Sure, automakers like to have their "basic equipment list" trump that of other automakers, but all of that equipment adds weight, sucks power and costs at the pump.

2b2
04-18-2010, 10:55 AM
a trio of little articles from Jalopnik (my subtitle: YOU CAAAAN'T HAVE IT)

Ford Courier
http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/12/2010/04/500x_ford_courier-mx.jpg < click (http://jalopnik.com/5517645/sorry-gringo-no-baby-pickups-for-you-ford-courier)

Chevrolet Tornado
http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/12/2010/04/500x_chevrolet_tornado-mx.jpg < click (http://jalopnik.com/5517647/sorry-gringo-no-baby-pickups-for-you-chevrolet-tornado)

VW Nuevo Saveiro
http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/12/2010/04/500x_vw_nuevosaveiro.jpg < click (http://jalopnik.com/5517627/sorry-gringo-no-baby-pickups-for-you-volkswagen-nuevo-saveiro)

and a POLL
Would you consider buying a small cartruck? (http://jalopnik.com/5517657/would-you-consider-buying-a-really-small-pickup)
( 87&#37; to 13% so far )

PLUS
a LINK to "RANGER" topic search at TheFordStory / Your Ideas (6 pages!!) (http://www.thefordstory.com/your-ideas/?ideasearch=ranger)
("F-100" didn't really turn up anything... ...yet)

timmm55
04-20-2010, 05:15 PM
I see these little Chevys and Fords, but not the VW, here in San Diego with Mexico plates. Too bad we can't get them here!

ausrutherford
04-20-2010, 05:22 PM
I see these little Chevys and Fords, but not the VW, here in San Diego with Mexico plates. Too bad we can't get them here!

The VW was just released.