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: Lincoln Reveals 2013 MKZ (or MKG?) Face!


DetroitBORG
11-17-2011, 09:44 PM
Lincoln exposed the front-end of what is believed to be the new MKZ...but I believe this is a different vehicle.

I took some screen grabs from the http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmgrViWS5co&feature=player_embedded.

http://www.mikekukielka.com/gallery/v/2013+Lincoln+MKZ+Teaser/

http://www.mikekukielka.com/gallery/d/65247-1/2013+Lincoln+MKZ+Teaser+1.JPG
http://www.mikekukielka.com/gallery/d/65250-1/2013+Lincoln+MKZ+Teaser+2.JPG
http://www.mikekukielka.com/gallery/d/65252-1/2013+Lincoln+MKZ+Teaser+3.JPG

Andrew L
11-17-2011, 10:16 PM
I have to say that grille looks pretty good in that teaser!

DetroitBORG
11-17-2011, 11:05 PM
Here is the shot composited.

http://www.mikekukielka.com/gallery/d/65254-1/Composite.jpg

blaksabb
11-18-2011, 12:58 AM
When did Ford buy the rights to Oldsmobile?

2b2
11-18-2011, 03:50 AM
Great job, BORG!!! ...NOT Max! http://home.surfree.com/~pauld/icon8.gif
(also good to see you here again!)

cire_1wb
11-18-2011, 08:02 AM
Why are the grille elements horizontal? Is Lincoln ever going to be consistent about anything?

Logans Run
11-18-2011, 09:13 AM
I can't believe Lincoln has such a difficult time with hood to grill transition!
They seriously need to help, if they think this front end is acceptable for a competetive Luxury brand.

nruggiero
11-18-2011, 09:22 AM
I wouldn't be too quick to judge yet.

TurboS40
11-18-2011, 10:28 AM
Not sure what to think. I first thought it was a Chrysler 300 then thought Oldsmobile. It's not the typical Lincoln crispness, elegance and distinction. Is this Brand being positioned to compete with Buick and Chrysler? Is an unknown Brand coming to position above Lincoln? Anyone know if that is part of the plan? As for the name of the unknown vehicle, I would guess MK300.

You know, not to be rude and opinionated but looking at the front of the unknown vehicle and seeing the hood line connection the 2 grilles, i'd say it looks like sunglasses in the front. Still trying to figure out the direction here. I like the '13 MKS grille better.

Andrew L
11-18-2011, 11:16 AM
any chance I can to show off my car :p

But seriously I don't know why Lincoln abandoned this grill:
http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n127/xMasterKatarnx/Lincoln%20LS/PB050388.jpg

I think its one of the best looks Lincoln had, the whole lineup had a similar grill, Navigator, Avaitor, Town Car, Continental, LS and Blackwood if you really want count that as a Lincoln.

I thought that was the best looking lineup Lincoln had, very attractive not offensive and tasteful use of chrome, not over done.

I like the look of the teaser better than the new grilles they debuted, probably because I feel that the grill should be connected with small thin slats. It just looks off for some reason. The vertical slats seem to be broken up better by the split grille.

DetroitBORG
11-18-2011, 02:26 PM
Looks like this made it to the front page of www.autoblog.com.

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/11/18/did-lincoln-tease-the-2013-mkz-at-la-auto-show/

nruggiero
11-18-2011, 06:26 PM
Reminds me of the Mercedes Benz F-125! concept. They should dump the split wing grille and start all over again. It looks bad for MB also.


http://planetluxus.com/wp-content/uploads/Mercedes-Benz-F-125-Concept-Car.jpg

TurboS40
11-18-2011, 06:40 PM
What's wrong with using the grille used on the 2003 Mark X Concept and 2003 Aviator Concept. They at least have some individuality and sophistication along with elegance which the new "Olds" grille does not have. Even the headlamps on those concepts look better. Does this mean Lincoln is being set up for failure with the new "Olds/300" grille for future use? What's the real Ford plan for Lincoln? Not the 7 new or improved yada yada yada to compete with BMW, Lexus and yada yada yada.

2b2
11-18-2011, 06:50 PM
Congrats on making Autoblog, BORG!
&
re: what we'll see at NAIAS...

Updated MKS, MKT Only Begin Lincoln Makeover - theDetroitBureau.com (http://www.thedetroitbureau.com/2011/11/updated-mks-mkt-only-begin-lincoln-makeover/)
Real change comes in January with next-gen Lincoln MKZ.
by Paul A. Eisenstein on Nov.18, 2011

...But where the new MKS and MKT models will seem familiar to Lincoln owners and fans the next-generation Lincoln MKZ, set to debut in concept form at the upcoming Detroit Auto Show, will likely deliver a shock...

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re: styling, I'm still http://home.surfree.com/~pauld/gag.gif

nruggiero
11-18-2011, 07:24 PM
I think they hired Max Wolff because he was cheap. They should've snatched Clay Dean from Cadillac. Aussies have strange taste to begin with.

nruggiero
11-19-2011, 05:39 PM
Putting horizontal inserts in the split wing grille is going to make it worse. That type of grille looks best with vertical grille strakes. They need to bring back the honeycomb grille and quit fooling around. Everybody hates the split wing mess. Everyone loves the honeycomb grille. They need to listen to everybody on FB. No one likes the naming scheme or the current styling and people want a RWD car. Are they that stupid? I'm sick of Lincoln screwing around. That photo tease makes me feel they're not taking this seriously. I'd rather see Lincoln put out of its misery than seeing models that are a disgrace to the brand's ancestors.

2b2
11-19-2011, 06:29 PM
...They need to listen to everybody on FB...
http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/images/smilies/eek.gif http://www.blueovalforums.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/drop.gifhttp://www.camaro5.com/forums/images/smilies/suicide.gif
sooo many of the people posting on Lincoln's facebook are so out of it / behind the times / clueless
They want the TownCar - not a new modern TownCar - the OLD one
just with barely-updated styling

I'm amazed Lincoln hasn't given up on facebook

exceptions:- No one likes the naming scheme
- and people want a RWD car.
- I'm sick of Lincoln screwing around.
- I'd rather see Lincoln put out of its misery than seeing models that are a disgrace to the brand's ancestors.
• duh
• I BELIEVE! ... 25 months MAX to see one = NAIAS 2013
• me too! tho it's Fomoco not Lincoln, Lincoln is just a sales channel
• not me ...but only for Mercury's sake ("Mercury: MIssion 2020", a thread coming to a forum very near you...eventually)

All-Or-Nothing
11-19-2011, 08:30 PM
LMAO @ all the people so mad about these refreshes.

They are refreshes. The new design direction will be revealed with the All New MKZ, although there are hints in the new MKS refresh.

I think the new MKS looks WAY better than the outgoing design and it is pretty SEXY to me.

nruggiero
11-19-2011, 09:25 PM
We'll see what happens. Hopefully, in 5-10 yrs they will be able to reclaim their #1 in the luxury segment. I just don't see that happening. I could be surprised though. Mercury didn't have to go. They drove them into the ground and I think Lincoln could go too. They unveiled the Lincoln C Concept in 2009. It's 2011 and there's no sign of that happening. I don't think the 7(now 5) new or refreshed models will be out by 2014.

Does anybody know what comes next after the 2013 MKZ? Is it the Escape or the Focus version?

2013 MKS
2013 MKT
2013 MKZ
? MKE
? MKC
2014 MKX
2015 Navigator

2b2
11-19-2011, 10:23 PM
2013 MKS
2013 MKT
2013 MKZ
? MKaViator
? MKuGa
? MK(E)focus
2014 MKX
2015 Navigator
fixed ^
there is no Escape anymore, N.R. (except in name)
& you forgot the Aviator

cire_1wb
11-20-2011, 01:29 PM
I just don't get the horizontal grille elements. To me, the vertical grille elements represent "Lincoln". The horizontal elements look too similar to Chrysler's new grille design. Even the surfacing of the horizontal elements look similar to the surfacing on the Chrysler grille. The only visual difference between the 2 are that Lincoln's grille is split and Chrysler's grille isn't. I just don't think switching the grille elements from vertical to horizontal is a good move.

I think the split wing grille design has been perfected on the restyled 2013 MkS. The appearance, proportion, shape, and flow of this grille/headlight design is just about "spot on" on this car. I think Lincoln should base the face of all its future products off of this particular example.

wingsnut
11-20-2011, 07:16 PM
Regarding the c class luxury segment, Lincoln carefully studied the demographic and decided that it was biased toward women, and women seem to like their small CUV's over small sedans. Makes sense I guess. Not many luxury sedans in that segment that are selling in big numbers, so taking that chassis and going a bit taller and roomier is what they believe will sell in bigger volumes. I have no reason to doubt that will be more successful for Lincoln. Time will tell.

Meanwhile, the new MKZ should sell in much better numbers than current. Adding a small sedan would only take sales from it.
Hey, nobody claimed that Lincoln can't revise their product lineup in several years, given any scenario that arises. One thing for certain, is that Lincoln sales will certainly shoot up nicely, and given the fact that Ford is not breaking the bank on Lincoln's current update, does not mean they can't spend more again later, given the need.

Lincoln will be fine.
Can't wait for the monthly sales increases due to new exciting product, month after month. Combined with all the new Ford product, I would say FoMoCo has a brillian future in store.

2b2
11-20-2011, 08:01 PM
I just don't get the horizontal grille elements. To me, the vertical grille elements represent "Lincoln". The horizontal elements look too similar to Chrysler's new grille design. Even the surfacing of the horizontal elements look similar to the surfacing on the Chrysler grille. The only visual difference between the 2 are that Lincoln's grille is split and Chrysler's grille isn't. I just don't think switching the grille elements from vertical to horizontal is a good move...
imho the horizontal ribs are a 'cheap shot' design-wise idea-wise
tho for some reason, UNcharacteristically!, it's easy for me ignore the "glimpse" & wait for NAIAS
or Chicago
or NYC

yet:Regarding the c class luxury segment, Lincoln carefully studied the demographic and decided that it was biased toward women, and women seem to like their small CUV's over small sedans. Makes sense I guess. Not many luxury sedans in that segment that are selling in big numbers, so taking that chassis and going a bit taller and roomier is what they believe will sell in bigger volumes...
that ^ is why I've ranted for the MKuGa and a Focus-or-G.C-M based sporty Lincolnette car to be 'paired' marketing-wise
one for roominess, one for drop-dead-gorgeous
&
two more letters: RS
even tho I no longer aspire to high-powered vehicles,
imho a 'Nano' 2.7v6EB (upto 350hp) is the Killer-App for C-segment Lincolns
along with
PlugIn Hybrid 1.6EB versions which
- won't have direct competition in the Ford lineup
- and could suit me to an "E" (as in "MKE", 'rhymes' with XKE)

...Meanwhile, the new MKZ should sell in much better numbers than current. Adding a small sedan would only take sales from it...
wonder how many potential customers are like me and will Never consider a vehicle in the midsize segment?

...Hey, nobody claimed that Lincoln can't revise their product lineup in several years, given any scenario that arises...and given the fact that Ford is not breaking the bank on Lincoln's current update, does not mean they can't spend more again later, given the need...
my other repeating point:
the Focus & Escape will be in production (along with the Explorer for an Aviator) & Lincoln can have co-platformed versions pretty much as soon as they/suits are convinced of a market for them.

wingsnut
11-20-2011, 08:04 PM
Hey 2b2,
would you consider a compact class, just not a mid? Why is that? Just curious.

2b2
11-20-2011, 08:10 PM
I just like small (not tiny) cars ... they "fit" me http://home.surfree.com/~pauld/bliss.gif

wingsnut
11-20-2011, 09:17 PM
Cool.
Then you should love the Focus or Fiesta :)

nruggiero
11-20-2011, 09:29 PM
I was really hoping the C Concept would go into production because it was Lincoln's own unique way of doing a hatchback. It really stood out. It also had an abundant amount of interior space. It would compete against the new Lexus CT200.


http://www.carsbiz.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Lexus-CT-200h-hybrid-2.jpg

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/12/2009/01/Lincoln-C-Concept.jpg

2b2
11-20-2011, 09:55 PM
Cool.
Then you should love the Focus or Fiesta :)
yup, except for no hybrids, my plan is/was to add a waterfall grille to one
but
I'm still hoping for a Lincoln C557

...the C Concept ... would compete against the new Lexus CT200.
isn't that the one that was recently cancelled?

2b2
11-20-2011, 09:58 PM
Cool.
Then you should love the Focus or Fiesta :)
yup, except for no hybrids, my plan is/was to add a waterfall grille to one
but
I'm still hoping for a Lincoln C557-PIH

... would compete against the new Lexus CT200.
isn't that the one that was recently cancelled?**
(not to say that Lincoln's wouldn't be a winner)

** oops - that was the HS250h

wingsnut
11-20-2011, 11:14 PM
It seems that nobody wanted small luxury hybrids. The Lexus was easily far better looking a car than the Prius, so one should have expected good sales, wrapped in Lexus service. But that was not the case. Me thinks that people choose a Prius because of the hybrid label more so than money savings. Thus, nobody knows of the Lexus hybrid, and who really can afford the extra Lexus cost, but can't afford the gas?

Perhaps Lincoln was wise to steer clear of this small segment. Especially since the Focus offers a very substantial small car with plenty of luxury for most, especially at 30K level.

LincolnOne
11-20-2011, 11:49 PM
I LOVE the new grill that was previewed. I think it is stunning. It gives the effect of a jeweled butterfly. I can see the LED arrows at the sides as daytime running lights which could instantly make it recognizable as a Lincoln. I think they are onto something here. It should easily adapt to both wider and deeper grills for a range of vehicles.

I would be interested in seeing how the LINCOLN logo looks just floating in the middle of the grill, minus a direct attachment to the hood and lower trim. However, I would keep the overall butterfly effect. I can also see a sparse, (very very sparse, you don't want it too gawdy) layer of tiny pin points of chrome scattered as a backdrop behind the horizontal bars. It would give depth, detail, and help hide the distracting air flow directors so obvious on the new 2013 MKS/MKT grills.

Let me also add, I still think the MKR Concept is breathtaking and the proportions on that grill are pure perfection. It is a shame it did not translate as well to the other products so beautifully.

2b2
11-20-2011, 11:50 PM
imho small Lux hasN'T been done right yet

I loved the A4 when it came out
yet the A3 was a COMPLETE disappointment

http://www.blueovalforums.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/yahoo.gif WHITESPACE http://www.blueovalforums.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/yahoo.gif

tho the C30 is quite good & I expect the new V40 (sic) might qualify ... Lincoln better HURRY!

wingsnut
11-21-2011, 01:18 AM
I wud put the focus titanium way above the c30, and nearly equal to the a4. So again I have to think that more redundancy is not really needed at Lincoln. At least not in a potential low volume product.

nruggiero
11-21-2011, 10:21 AM
isn't that the one that was recently cancelled?

No, it was the HS 250. The C Concept would do well in large cities like New York and Los Angeles. I think it would sell good. It had unique styling. I would have bought one.

Mbukukanyau
11-21-2011, 03:05 PM
any chance I can to show off my car :p

But seriously I don't know why Lincoln abandoned this grill:
http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n127/xMasterKatarnx/Lincoln%20LS/PB050388.jpg

I think its one of the best looks Lincoln had, the whole lineup had a similar grill, Navigator, Avaitor, Town Car, Continental, LS and Blackwood if you really want count that as a Lincoln.

I thought that was the best looking lineup Lincoln had, very attractive not offensive and tasteful use of chrome, not over done.

I like the look of the teaser better than the new grilles they debuted, probably because I feel that the grill should be connected with small thin slats. It just looks off for some reason. The vertical slats seem to be broken up better by the split grille.
http://my-lincoln.com/2006%20Lincoln%20Navigator.jpg
These Lincolns looked great, classy, expensive and upscale. Lincoln should go back to this Stately look

2b2
11-21-2011, 04:57 PM
re-hi, Mbuku http://home.surfree.com/~pauld/ByeBye.gif

I *esp* like that Navigator's 'wide channel' in the center of its hood
much better than the beak-rib they're using lately (might be my least favorite MKR cue)

Andrew L
11-23-2011, 12:07 PM
Now I am confused....

Brenda Priddy announced on her facebook that they caught the 2013 MKZ driving around again

http://www.automedia.com/Blog/post/SPIED-2013-Lincoln-MKZ-Sneak-Peek-Spy-Photos-News.aspx

But it looks like it has the same grille as the MKS

nruggiero
11-23-2011, 01:16 PM
Now I am confused....

Brenda Priddy announced on her facebook that they caught the 2013 MKZ driving around again

http://www.automedia.com/Blog/post/SPIED-2013-Lincoln-MKZ-Sneak-Peek-Spy-Photos-News.aspx

But it looks like it has the same grille as the MKS

I've been wondering the same thing. We'll see at the NAIAS. It looks really sleek and has great proportions though. I think we're in for a treat.

2b2
11-23-2011, 04:38 PM
Now I am confused....

Brenda Priddy announced on her facebook that they caught the 2013 MKZ driving around again

http://www.automedia.com/Blog/post/SPIED-2013-Lincoln-MKZ-Sneak-Peek-Spy-Photos-News.aspx

But it looks like it has the same grille as the MKS
agree
I don't see any difference from the Sept.19 pix by KGP

remember the LA Show video glimpse could have been the MKuGa or even just a misleading also-ran test-clay

SobeSVT
11-23-2011, 05:01 PM
The horizontally themed grilled shown in LA would be a disaster for the MKZ, I hope it has nothing to do with the actual car

nruggiero
11-23-2011, 05:02 PM
agree
I don't see any difference from the Sept.19 pix by KGP

remember the LA Show video glimpse could have been the MKuGa or even just a misleading also-ran test-clay

It was probably a random sketch.

2b2
11-23-2011, 08:56 PM
^ could well be, N.R.

&
just noticed that, in addition to saying 2.6 for the Nano v6,
they said,"Production of the new MKZ is set to start in June of 2012. That probably means we'll see the official debut at the 2012 Detroit auto show."whereas the most recent 'word' I've seen is that the Z won't be out until the end of 2012...
...tho maybe that's changed again?
tho iirc the dual NAIAS/NYC debut is 'official' at this point
BUT
my new theory is that the S & T grilles might be temporary and could get new (more detailed?) inserts to match the new Z with very early 2014MY intros
so
come Feb-ish 2013 Lincoln would be approaching a unified 'Look' we haven't even seen yet ...AND may not see until the NYC debut of the production Z, if then