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: LINCOLN [Black Label]...what is it, what SHOULD it be?


2b2
10-25-2012, 11:56 PM
thanks to new member, TaurusSHOhttp://www.fordinsidenews.com/forums/images/smilies/thumb.gif there's trademark news that FLincMoCo has registerd "Black Label" for Lincoln
I posted this ON Lincoln's facebook page so:
urgent COMMENT ON FACEBOOK before Lincoln deletes it (http://www.facebook.com/Lincoln/posts/10151140351292982?ref=notif&notif_t=feed_comment)

so
What should a [Black Label] Lincoln be like?
&
Could there be other color 'Labels' coming?
&
What should they be?

SP1966
10-26-2012, 01:35 AM
So Ford partners with Harley Davidson and Lincoln is partnering with Jack Daniels? As far as other colors they could do a nice Johnny Walker Red!! If only John DeLorean were still alive the could partner for a Snow White label!!

2b2
10-26-2012, 03:05 AM
^ Johnnie Walker (http://www.johnniewalker.com/) says they produce red, blue, black, and gold labels of Scotch whisky...

I'm thinking
[Black Label] for some kind of super-executive trim tho not nec. all that high-priced - maybe a trim that would cut-across all their other trims (which need cutting imho)
& going with the easy associations:
[Red Label] for performance
&
[Green Label] for a coming broad-range of electrified or partially-electrified vehicles
...
[White Label] might be a decent name for their 'Bespoke Program'
as in a blank white paper...you choose what it gets

Logans Run
10-26-2012, 09:36 AM
^ Johnnie Walker (http://www.johnniewalker.com/) says they produce red, blue, black, and gold labels of Scotch whisky...

I'm thinking
[Black Label] for some kind of super-executive trim tho not nec. all that high-priced - maybe a trim that would cut-across all their other trims (which need cutting imho)
& going with the easy associations:
[Red Label] for performance
&
[Green Label] for a coming broad-range of electrified or partially-electrified vehicles
...
[White Label] might be a decent name for their 'Bespoke Program'
as in a blank white paper...you choose what it gets

...and if they had announced 4 new lines, you would have already been contemplating 16!

I hope black label will be a new standard line with interiors and performance notched up a couple steps. It could offer a very unique look and feel.

The bespoke program should be different, and it should be all about customizing any vehicle at a premium price. This should include seats, seat covering, interior accents, digital dash configuration, interior color, exterior color and options.

falcon lover
10-26-2012, 10:01 AM
Black Lebel could be for Lincoln like the S line, M line, V line, AMG is for Audi, BMW, Cadillac and Mercedes-Benz ?

SP1966
10-26-2012, 01:28 PM
Black Lebel could be for Lincoln like the S line, M line, V line, AMG is for Audi, BMW, Cadillac and Mercedes-Benz ?

While I think that would be an awesome use of Black label unfortunately Lincoln doesn't have any vehicles nor the platform to back that up. None of the above listed companies water down their performance labels, they only put them on cars that can back up the claim and Lincoln will be laughed at if they put it on a front wheel drive faux performance car. It would be the equivalent of the mid 70's high performance sticker craze.

2b2
10-26-2012, 07:06 PM
...and if they had announced 4 new lines, you would have already been contemplating 16!...
http://www.gminsidenews.com/naias/smilies/1.gif
actually
thinking just Black & White tho as I described them above

Lincoln don't need no stinkin' performance of ecologic LABELS
cuz ALL their vehicles need to have enough of those attributes

SP1966
10-26-2012, 07:19 PM
http://www.gminsidenews.com/naias/smilies/1.gif
actually
thinking just Black & White tho as I described them above

Lincoln don't need no stinkin' performance of ecologic LABELS
cuz ALL their vehicles need to have enough of those attributes

So you're suggesting a racially divided Lincoln Motor Co.?

2b2
10-26-2012, 07:50 PM
So you're suggesting a racially divided Lincoln Motor Co.?
^ divided from the Ford Brand? as much as possible
divided within it itself? as little as possible
see Mission: Lincoln

nruggiero
10-26-2012, 11:59 PM
....Interesting. I'm starting to get antsy.:toetap:

2b2
10-31-2012, 04:50 PM
“Lincoln Black Label” Among Ford Trademark Apps, But for What? - Car&Driver
October 30, 2012 at 4:10 pm by Justin Berkowitz
http://blog.caranddriver.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Lincoln-Black-Label-%E2%84%A2-application.jpg (http://blog.caranddriver.com/lincoln-black-label-among-ford-trademark-apps-but-for-what/)
From American Express cards to Ralph Lauren haberdashery to fascist uniforms, the color black delivers a powerful aesthetic message—and in many cases, memorable branding as well. So it’s with special interest that we see Ford has applied to trademark “Lincoln Black Label.” We don’t think it signifies a partnership with Johnnie Walker, but very probably a top trim line for fully loaded MKZs, MKSs, and MKXs, like Cadillac’s Platinum-level XTS and Escalade.

There are other possibilities for Ford’s Black Label intentions. It could refer to higher-end Lincoln dealerships, many of which are undergoing expensive renovation. Less glamorously, the world of private hire cars and limousines, long dominated by Lincoln, are literally called black cars; heaven forbid Lincoln embrace this further with a branded line of posh airport taxis. As is the case with any trademark application, this could be a branding idea that Ford never brings to market.

Other automakers have, of course, offered “black”-badged versions of their cars. Porsche, for example, has offered a slew of Black edition sports cars; Mercedes-Benz dubs its plutonium-fueled AMG models Black Series. In the early 2000s, Bentley referred to a face-lifted Arnage T as the Black Label, referencing earlier Red and Green Label editions from the late 1990s. In the non-automotive world, Black Label branding has been used at Johnnie Walker (for a midrange blended scotch), Ralph Lauren (for extra-pricey men’s formalwear), and...

nruggiero
10-31-2012, 04:56 PM
^Thanks for posting this!

Ugh, there are so many explanations.:banghead: Hopefully, we will find out when LA arrives.

2b2
10-31-2012, 08:23 PM
^ http://home.surfree.com/~pauld/HalloweenHappy.gif
...maybe have all the reps wearing black-on-black tuxedos?


& Thanks to Andrew
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/21289_10151149783967982_1298034519_n.jpg
from Lincoln's facebook (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151149783967982&set=a.407751952981.186675.45839622981&type=1&relevant_count=1&ref=nf)



& edit
that Z photo gave me an thought
what about having the Black Label vehicles also-offer a 2-tone paint job with pure, non-metallic black for the lower color?
& maybe having the interior be black+paint-match upholstery? (no Ginger Ale tho) ...or just a black+red & black+blue? ...maybe Black+silvery??
+
thinking more'n'more that Lincoln could have just a base/std trim and
"Black Label" with an extensive checklist
(my "White Label" bespoke program would 'reach higher' yet)

germeezy1
11-01-2012, 01:46 AM
^ Johnnie Walker (http://www.johnniewalker.com/) says they produce red, blue, black, and gold labels of Scotch whisky...

I'm thinking
[Black Label] for some kind of super-executive trim tho not nec. all that high-priced - maybe a trim that would cut-across all their other trims (which need cutting imho)
& going with the easy associations:
[Red Label] for performance
&
[Green Label] for a coming broad-range of electrified or partially-electrified vehicles
...
[White Label] might be a decent name for their 'Bespoke Program'
as in a blank white paper...you choose what it gets

Which would be all well, and good if not for a few slight issues.

Black Label Mercedes Benz already has Black Series
Red Label Bentley already used Red Label
Green Label Bentley used this moniker as well in the recent past

In my opinion Black Label is confusing, and it has no Lincoln heritage to draw from.

Lincoln used to have vehicles done in a bespoke manner by top name designers, and feature these editions in their top level cars. Lincoln should have a Ralph Lauren Purple Label , Prada, or Gucci edition which would of course be the top of the line of whatever flagship that Lincoln brings to fruition.

Does anyone remember the Cartier edition Lincoln Town Car?

3330

TurboS40
11-01-2012, 10:35 AM
^ http://home.surfree.com/~pauld/HalloweenHappy.gif
...maybe have all the reps wearing black-on-black tuxedos?


& Thanks to Andrew
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/21289_10151149783967982_1298034519_n.jpg
from Lincoln's facebook (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151149783967982&set=a.407751952981.186675.45839622981&type=1&relevant_count=1&ref=nf)



& edit
that Z photo gave me an thought
what about having the Black Label vehicles also-offer a 2-tone paint job with pure, non-metallic black for the lower color?
& maybe having the interior be black+paint-match upholstery? (no Ginger Ale tho) ...or just a black+red & black+blue? ...maybe Black+silvery??
+
thinking more'n'more that Lincoln could have just a base/std trim and
"Black Label" with an extensive checklist
(my "White Label" bespoke program would 'reach higher' yet)


THANK YOU 2b2 for bringing up 2-tone paint! I thought I was the only one who wants that again. 2-tone paint would work well with the contours of the design. Black with Ginger Ale could work (can the name be changed to Champagne please? Ginger Ale sounds like a kiddy drink not fitting for Lincoln). Perhaps all black body with gold pinstripe, blackout grille and black and gold interior?? Same could be done using silver, red, light ice blue, dark green and maybe even white or off white.

Germeezy1, I agree with the color label naming not fitting in. I would also like to see Cartier be the top model again as it was in the past. The Designer Series was always a favorite at Lincoln since introduced in 1976. Maybe expand to a Coachbuilder Series bring Coachbuilder names from the past and styled with custom interiors as part of the Bespoke program as well.

falcon lover
11-01-2012, 10:44 AM
THANK YOU 2b2 for bringing up 2-tone paint! I thought I was the only one who wants that again. 2-tone paint would work well with the contours of the design. Black with Ginger Ale could work (can the name be changed to Champagne please? Ginger Ale sounds like a kiddy drink not fitting for Lincoln). Perhaps all black body with gold pinstripe, blackout grille and black and gold interior?? Same could be done using silver, red, light ice blue, dark green and maybe even white or off white.

Germeezy1, I agree with the color label naming not fitting in. I would also like to see Cartier be the top model again as it was in the past. The Designer Series was always a favorite at Lincoln since introduced in 1976. Maybe expand to a Coachbuilder Series bring Coachbuilder names from the past and styled with custom interiors as part of the Bespoke program as well.

I want the two tone paint will come back, too! See the Bentleys .. they looks gorgeous in two tone paint works... and some Lincolns could looks good, too.

Andrew L
11-01-2012, 11:04 AM
The contract between Lincoln and Cartier ran out in 2003 iirc they never renewed it and they had it for I think 30 years. After that they replaced it with Designer then that got replaced with Signature Limited

If anyone didn't know: http://www.cartier.com/

germeezy1
11-01-2012, 01:11 PM
The contract between Lincoln and Cartier ran out in 2003 iirc they never renewed it and they had it for I think 30 years. After that they replaced it with Designer then that got replaced with Signature Limited

If anyone didn't know: http://www.cartier.com/

They need to have this relationship renewed post haste especially considering that Cartier is still a world renowned heritage luxury company.

SP1966
11-01-2012, 02:11 PM
They need to have this relationship renewed post haste especially considering that Cartier is still a world renowned heritage luxury company.

The problem may well be that Cartier is no longer interested in that tie up. If Lincoln has fallen as far as would appear why would Cartier put their brand at risk by associating with it?

TurboS40
11-01-2012, 02:29 PM
Thought of something earlier after my other post this morning..

Could Lincoln Black Label be something similar to Cadillac Shield Program??

germeezy1
11-01-2012, 03:27 PM
The problem may well be that Cartier is no longer interested in that tie up. If Lincoln has fallen as far as would appear why would Cartier put their brand at risk by associating with it?

That may very well be the case, and I am sure an armored truck with unmarked bills parked at Cartier headquarters can mitigate much of the risk.

2b2
11-01-2012, 05:05 PM
THANK YOU 2b2 for bringing up 2-tone paint! I thought I was the only one who wants that again. 2-tone paint would work well with the contours of the design. Black with Ginger Ale could work (can the name be changed to Champagne please? Ginger Ale sounds like a kiddy drink not fitting for Lincoln). Perhaps all black body with gold pinstripe, blackout grille and black and gold interior?? Same could be done using silver, red, light ice blue, dark green and maybe even white or off white...
YvW, TurboS40 http://www.fordinsidenews.com/forums/images/smilies/joyous.png
tho my vision is a highly restricted 2-tone - imho way too easy to go too far and actually dilute the whole thing (imho)
& (JUST thought of this)
with just a super-black lower color, this SORTA recalls-while-NEGATING the whole livery blackcar stigma


...Germeezy1, I agree with the color label naming not fitting in. I would also like to see Cartier be the top model again as it was in the past. The Designer Series was always a favorite at Lincoln since introduced in 1976. Maybe expand to a Coachbuilder Series bring Coachbuilder names from the past and styled with custom interiors as part of the Bespoke program as well.
I like the just Black+White label theme I'm pushing ('natch)
believe it has a cultural meaning (why so many use it)
AND would be fairly easy to replace/upgrade sometime without everyone getting bent out of shape with nostalgia
&
don't ever want to see outsiders' names again (unless they're begging to bankroll the program)
&
main point:
imho the whole thing with the designer series was to be "different"
but now
Lincolns desperately need to ESTABLISH a DNA ie& a family resemblance (not cookiecutter/sausage-lengths)

2b2
11-01-2012, 05:36 PM
Thought of something earlier after my other post this morning..

Could Lincoln Black Label be something similar to Cadillac Shield Program??
oops forgot this...

DO we know what the Shield Program IS?
or if it even EXISTS?

germeezy1
11-01-2012, 07:36 PM
oops forgot this...

DO we know what the Shield Program IS?
or if it even EXISTS?

Yes the Shield program is one that entails Cadillac's purchase benefits including free maintenance that are no cost benefits for purchasing a Cadillac vehicle.

2b2
11-01-2012, 10:29 PM
Yes the Shield program is one that entails Cadillac's purchase benefits including free maintenance that are no cost benefits for purchasing a Cadillac vehicle.
so it's on-going as we speak...err...type?
&
tho I ranted about a customer-service "Star Program" for Lincoln before ever reading about the Shield Program (ONCE on GMI),
that's not what I'd pick for the guts of [ Black Label ]

germeezy1
11-02-2012, 02:29 AM
so it's on-going as we speak...err...type?
&
tho I ranted about a customer-service "Star Program" for Lincoln before ever reading about the Shield Program (ONCE on GMI),
that's not what I'd pick for the guts of [ Black Label ]

http://www.cadillac.com/owners/shield-owner-benefits.html?seo=goo_|_2012_Cadillac_Awareness_|_ Cadillac_Shield_|_Cadillac_-_Shield_|_cadillac_shield

:smile:

Andrew L
11-02-2012, 09:13 AM
so it's on-going as we speak...err...type?
&
tho I ranted about a customer-service "Star Program" for Lincoln before ever reading about the Shield Program (ONCE on GMI),
that's not what I'd pick for the guts of [ Black Label ]

Lincoln already offers free maintance on their vehicles for 4 years 50k miles

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/11/11/lincoln-makes-free-maintenance-program-permanent/

2b2
11-02-2012, 03:59 PM
^ thought I had an old idea written down about this, Andrew
but all I've found so far is a brief note about a "VIP lifestyle club"
+ some special leasing options
and Star-Logo accessories
http://www.fordinsidenews.com/forums/images/smilies/sad.gif

http://www.cadillac.com/owners/shield-owner-benefits.html?seo=goo_|_2012_Cadillac_Awareness_|_ Cadillac_Shield_|_Cadillac_-_Shield_|_cadillac_shield

:smile:
TY for the link, germeezy http://www.fordinsidenews.com/forums/images/smilies/joyous.png

SP1966
11-02-2012, 06:09 PM
Well this thread has made it to Autoblog, and they saw fit to quote me. :facepalm: They took my quote with regard to using Black Label as a performance line and applied it as though it were my opinion on Lincoln using it in any sense. They really struggle with reading comprehension over there, and yet they probably still consider themselves journalists.

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/11/02/ford-trademarks-black-label-for-lincoln/

2b2
11-02-2012, 06:46 PM
Well this thread has made it to Autoblog, and they saw fit to quote me. :facepalm: They took my quote with regard to using Black Label as a performance line and applied it as though it were my opinion on Lincoln using it in any sense. They really struggle with reading comprehension over there, and yet they probably still consider themselves journalists.

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/11/02/ford-trademarks-black-label-for-lincoln/
hmmph...
they gave us a link-back BUT didn't use our name

guess from now on if I post something from Autobloghttp://home.surfree.com/~pauld/poke.gif, I'll just say it's from "a car blog"
http://www.gminsidenews.com/naias/smilies/1.gif

TurboS40
11-06-2012, 03:02 PM
There was a Midnight Limited Edition package on the 2010 MKX. Maybe Black Label is a more fancied, expressive version of the same thing that will be offer across all lines or a specific model?

Andrew L
11-06-2012, 04:56 PM
There was a Midnight Limited Edition package on the 2010 MKX. Maybe Black Label is a more fancied, expressive version of the same thing that will be offer across all lines or a specific model?

Don't forget the Midnight Mark VII LSC ;)

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5006/5210623397_7516cd87cb_z.jpg

nruggiero
11-06-2012, 05:57 PM
Don't forget the Midnight Mark VII LSC ;)

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5006/5210623397_7516cd87cb_z.jpg

That doesn't look really luxurious, imo. That particular package makes the car look like the old Thunderbird. Not a good thing.

2b2
11-06-2012, 06:02 PM
hmm
the 2010 MKX had a LOT (3½) of special packages:
MIDNIGHT LIMITED EDITION PACKAGE
• Monochromatic Black grille
• Etched Lincoln Star in headlamp lenses
• 22" 10-spoke bright polished-aluminum wheels
• Sport-tuned suspension
• LIMITED EDITION badge
• Ebony Interior Package
• Premium carpeted floor mats with embroidered MKX

I dunno about the MarkVII (tho one of my favorites!)

TurboS40
11-07-2012, 02:56 PM
WOW! forgot about the MK7 midnight. Even more WOW! look at those BBS Racing Wheels!

Andrew L
11-07-2012, 04:09 PM
WOW! forgot about the MK7 midnight. Even more WOW! look at those BBS Racing Wheels!

Yep rare package, I love the whole look of it. I think it looks really sleek. Sorry nruggiero I disagree :lmao: :tongue:

TurboS40
11-08-2012, 02:47 PM
Once M Wolff gets his designs going there could be "Wolff Craft" or Wolff Disegno" (italian for design) labels on the vehicles to give a little distinction.

I'm sorry....still looking at those BBS Racing Wheels up above on the MK7 LSC. They would look so good on my LS!

nruggiero
11-08-2012, 03:20 PM
Yep rare package, I love the whole look of it. I think it looks really sleek. Sorry nruggiero I disagree :lmao: :tongue:

Actually, I don't like it in that picture you posted.:tongue: I found some better pics that made it look great. Here's a link.

http://http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3203303/1990-lincoln-mark-vii/page-2

Andrew L
11-08-2012, 07:20 PM
Actually, I don't like it in that picture you posted.:tongue: I found some better pics that made it look great. Here's a link.

http://http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3203303/1990-lincoln-mark-vii/page-2

link does not work

nruggiero
11-08-2012, 08:09 PM
link does not work

Couldn't get it to work either. Sorry about that.

http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/2814/1061/32033030030_large.jpg


http://thelincolnmarkviiclub.org/Gallery/albums/LINCOLN-MARK-VII-FILE-PHOTOS/CarAndDriverSeptember1985_003.jpg


http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/2814/1061/32033030040_large.jpg

Andrew L
11-08-2012, 08:12 PM
Thanks for the pics! I miss the Mark series a lot!

nruggiero
11-08-2012, 08:15 PM
Here's the 1986 Mark VII White Lightning.

http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4106/5210626349_bf3f908621_b.jpg
http://l.yimg.com/g/images/spaceout.gif
http://l.yimg.com/g/images/spaceout.gif

Andrew L
11-08-2012, 08:24 PM
The Mark VII had a ton of special editions they really knew how to milk that car just like the Mustang... it really is a **** shame they still don't make it

2b2
11-08-2012, 11:02 PM
Actually, I don't like it in that picture you posted.:tongue: I found some better pics that made it look great. Here's a link.

fixed Link (http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3203303/1990-lincoln-mark-vii/page-2)
there ya go http://www.fordinsidenews.com/forums/images/smilies/joyous.png
had two "http://"s - prolley a button malf/feature

germeezy1
11-09-2012, 02:45 PM
I would love to build a special edition LSC utilizing the best in Griggs Racing suspension, and a large cubic inch 351W based 427 stroker with a positive displacement supercharger.

nruggiero
11-09-2012, 03:00 PM
I would love to build a special edition LSC utilizing the best in Griggs Racing suspension, and a large cubic inch 351W based 427 stroker with a positive displacement supercharger.

That sounds sick!

You should build one and post pictures of it on here!

TurboS40
11-09-2012, 03:05 PM
Couldn't get it to work either. Sorry about that.

http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/2814/1061/32033030030_large.jpg


http://thelincolnmarkviiclub.org/Gallery/albums/LINCOLN-MARK-VII-FILE-PHOTOS/CarAndDriverSeptember1985_003.jpg


http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/2814/1061/32033030040_large.jpg




WOW! look at that profile design of the MK7. Idea for new ad based on this car: What a Lincoln Should Be.

Too bad we can't get that instrument panel, those seats, that v-8 engine and of course THOSE BBS Racing Wheels instead of the current offering we have now.

As I recall there was a type of BBS wheel offer on the Town Car wasn't there?

TurboS40
11-09-2012, 03:12 PM
So now we have something to build with Black Label or Midnight Moondust Black. There could also be a super fast MK? called White Lightning. A special Moondust metallic white paint could be developed.

germeezy1
11-09-2012, 05:34 PM
It is amazing what was considered fast back then, and this test has the Mark VII running quite slow indeed.

2b2
11-09-2012, 08:54 PM
Lincoln SYNC Services Provides Personal Touch With Unlimited Live Operator Assist - Media.Lincoln.com (http://media.lincoln.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=33720)
• Included with every Lincoln, Lincoln SYNC Services provides live, unlimited operator assist at no charge for the first three years of ownership
• Lexus charges almost $300 annually for similar service one year after purchase
• Lincoln SYNC Services provides access to information about traffic, news, sports, weather, stock quotes and movie listings along with business searches and turn-by-turn directions
http://media.lincoln.com/images/10031/13MKZ_570.jpg
DEARBORN, Mich., Nov. 7, 2012 – Live operator assistance through Lincoln SYNC Services is one more element of a warmer, more personal experience that will be a cornerstone of the reinvented brand.

Lincoln SYNC Services, included with every Lincoln, including the all-new MKZ premium midsize sedan, provides unlimited live operator assist for the first three years of ownership at no cost. This means customers can talk live to operators around the clock when seeking directions or searching for business addresses.

“The operator-assist feature of Lincoln SYNC Services gives customers personal service, which is the hallmark of our brand,” said Kim Cape, Lincoln Marketing manager. “As Lincoln continues its reinvention, we are focused on delivering outstanding, personalized service starting when a potential client begins to learn about our cars and at every step of the buying and ownership experience.”

Other luxury competitors begin charging several hundred dollars for similar service after a one-year trial period. A comparable Lexus package, for example, starts at $264.90 per year after one year.

Lincoln SYNC Services is part of a growing list of cloud-based driver assistance features offered by Lincoln aimed at delivering a personalized experience.

How it works
Cloud-based, on-demand, voice-activated Lincoln SYNC Services provides access to information about traffic, news, sports, weather, horoscopes, stock quotes and movie listings along with business searches and turn-by-turn directions. The “send to” SYNC features allow customers to send a location/address from www.mapquest.com to their car.

Seventy percent of all SYNC Services calls are for business searches and from those seeking turn-by-turn directions, said David Gersabeck, product manager, SYNC Services.

Using advanced vehicle sensors, integrated GPS technology and comprehensive map and traffic data, the Lincoln SYNC Services automated voice recognition system delivers turn-by-turn directions to the user. Further, with access to more than 14 million business listings, Lincoln SYNC Services directs users to the businesses they seek. Operator Assist works with both the business search and directions options.

At any time during a business search or directions interaction between the user and the Lincoln SYNC Services automated system, the user can say, “Operator” and connect to a live operator.

“This is more than getting from point A to point B,” said Gersabeck. “It’s about delivering a level of connectivity that provides fast, hands-free connections to businesses or residences without the need for drivers to take their eyes off the road.”

When a live operator assists with a business search, the user can choose to receive turn-by-turn directions to the business, receive a text message with name, address and phone number information about the business (applies to certain phone carrier networks), or be directly connected to the phone number of the business. When a live operator assists with address entry, the user can have the directions sent directly to the vehicle.

The live operator services are provided by MyAssist, a leading live assistance and telematics service company for individuals and businesses based in Stevens Point, Wis.

SP1966
11-09-2012, 10:08 PM
It is amazing what was considered fast back then, and this test has the Mark VII running quite slow indeed.

The MKVII has always been a favorite of mine. I owned one of the earlier gutless wonders, but even then it was a nice, stylish ride. It would have been nice to have had one of the later, more powerful and better handling versions though. I don't remember anyone complaining about it being just a tarted up T-Bird.

2b2
11-10-2012, 09:57 PM
I came upon a 2013 Order and Pricing Guide for Audi of America (http://www.audizine.com/documents/2013%20Order%20Guide%20with%20Pricing.pdf)
which introduced me to some info about their "exclusive" (small 'e') program,
like a Bespoke Program ... here are the upholstery color choices
http://s12.postimage.org/6bu0ozcql/Audi_exclusive.jpg

germeezy1
11-11-2012, 02:23 PM
I came upon a 2013 Order and Pricing Guide for Audi of America (http://www.audizine.com/documents/2013%20Order%20Guide%20with%20Pricing.pdf)
which introduced me to some info about their "exclusive" (small 'e') program,
like a Bespoke Program ... here are the upholstery color choices
http://s12.postimage.org/6bu0ozcql/Audi_exclusive.jpg

Lincoln, and Farley have done much brand building via press release and quite frankly it is time that they put their money where there mouth is. Audi exclusive, BMW Exclusive, JLR Autobiography, Porsche Exclusive, and MB Designo allow their customers a level of bespoke customization that is above , and beyond the norm. If Lincoln desires to be a bespoke company with a unique experience they have no choice but to offer their customers this level of customization.

2b2
11-14-2012, 03:42 AM
had a thought after reading some posts elsewhere about the ordering process not going well...

imho Lincoln ought to develop a way to expedite custom orders (with WHTEVER degree of 'custom' they EVENTUALLY decide upon)
...this isn't about how the MyLincolnConcierge would communicate with customers;
this is coming up with a way to be able to guarantee your car on such'n'such week or a (similar) loaner is provided free of charge (yeah, THAT wouold make *someone* take this seriously)((no, the dealer wouldN'T pay for it...they ought to get sumthin for the million they had to invest))

...adding this to my [BLACK LABEL] list for starters
so if FLincMoCo takes a bath on it, it wouldn't be on every vehicle

Andrew L
11-14-2012, 08:54 AM
I miss seeing blue as an option for interior colors.

TurboS40
11-14-2012, 02:57 PM
Also missing dark green(dark jade) and dark red(cordovan) cloth seats or cloth/leather combo.

I noticed a '96 dark green Mk8 on ebay last night. The interior was a rich looking light brown leather. Nice seat design. Too bad we can't order that design on current.

I also saw on ebay an MKS in dark blue with a light tan color roof cap. It did give the vehicle some much needed character and went well with the light color interior. Should this be considered as an option? What about a painted roof (instead of the roof cap) in a different harmonizing color?? Wasn't this done on some 1950's Lincolns before the vinyl roof fad started?

2b2
11-14-2012, 06:26 PM
Also missing dark green(dark jade) and dark red(cordovan) cloth seats or cloth/leather combo.

I noticed a '96 dark green Mk8 on ebay last night. The interior was a rich looking light brown leather. Nice seat design. Too bad we can't order that design on current...
we can at least see *some* of what Lincoln is *thinking* about seats in this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RLVKlkOTVA

Andrew L
11-14-2012, 07:26 PM
we can at least see *some* of what Lincoln is *thinking* about seats in this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RLVKlkOTVA

That is a very Euroish tan. I like that. But I also really like the Canyon interior on the Navi and MKT

LincolnFanFl
11-15-2012, 12:27 AM
Now THAT'S what I like!:thumb:

Piano Lacque and a full leather dash. So I guess we will see some upscale interior options on the MKZ sooner or later.

Although it really s**ks that I'll have to wait for 2 years before I can get my new MKZ, it seems I might have a chance of having access to these upgraded interiors by then..:lmao:

2b2
11-19-2012, 06:31 PM
Now THAT'S what I like!:thumb:

Piano Lacque and a full leather dash. So I guess we will see some upscale interior options on the MKZ sooner or later.

Although it really s**ks that I'll have to wait for 2 years before I can get my new MKZ, it seems I might have a chance of having access to these upgraded interiors by then..:lmao:
otoh, LincolnFanFl,
by waiting 2 years it's probably a sure thing that the Nano 2.7v6 and 8speed transmission will be out too!!!
http://www.fordinsidenews.com/forums/images/smilies/clap.gif

LincolnFanFl
11-19-2012, 09:26 PM
otoh, LincolnFanFl,
by waiting 2 years it's probably a sure thing that the Nano 2.7v6 and 8speed transmission will be out too!!!
http://www.fordinsidenews.com/forums/images/smilies/clap.gif

LOL..:lmao:

Would be a nice compensation for my pain and suffering 'til then. Pain and suffering will be huge once the first members are going to post the first images of their cars and when the new model says "hello" to me on the dealer's lot while my ride is in service.

And who knows - maybe I'll be able to get the pano-roof AND the rear-sunshade together by then - but I guess I'm pushing it now..:facepalm:

2b2
11-14-2014, 04:23 PM
since is about to become reality, I'm resurrecting this thread for[b]BEYOND BlackLabel1.0 > > > _ _ _ _ _ _
drawing on:
• a "coachbuilding"/über-personalization chat in Heritage Pix (http://www.fordinsidenews.com/forums/showthread.php?24897-Lincoln-heritage-videos-photos&p=341618&viewfull=1#post341618)
• Ford's Freeform Fabrication Technology (http://www.fordinsidenews.com/forums/showthread.php?16169-Ford-F-F-T-ReInvents-low-volume-stamping)
• & some comments in What Farley would change (http://www.fordinsidenews.com/forums/showthread.php?40337-What-I-d-Do-Differently-Jim-Farley), as well as [BL] Launch (http://www.fordinsidenews.com/forums/showthread.php?40506-Black-Label-Launch) & Reuters:$5billion (http://www.fordinsidenews.com/forums/showthread.php?40898-Reuters-Ford-to-spend-a-ton-saving-Lincoln)

so maybe keep speculation here instead of in thread(s) about the Real Thing™...
...think there'll be a lot of woulda/shoulda/coulda "suggestions" floating around the interwebs

nruggiero
11-14-2014, 09:45 PM
since is about to become reality, I'm resurrecting this thread for[b]BEYOND BlackLabel1.0 > > > _ _ _ _ _ _
drawing on:
• a "coachbuilding"/über-personalization chat in Heritage Pix (http://www.fordinsidenews.com/forums/showthread.php?24897-Lincoln-heritage-videos-photos&p=341618&viewfull=1#post341618)
• Ford's Freeform Fabrication Technology (http://www.fordinsidenews.com/forums/showthread.php?16169-Ford-F-F-T-ReInvents-low-volume-stamping)
• & some comments in What Farley would change (http://www.fordinsidenews.com/forums/showthread.php?40337-What-I-d-Do-Differently-Jim-Farley), as well as [BL] Launch (http://www.fordinsidenews.com/forums/showthread.php?40506-Black-Label-Launch) & Reuters:$5billion (http://www.fordinsidenews.com/forums/showthread.php?40898-Reuters-Ford-to-spend-a-ton-saving-Lincoln)

so maybe keep speculation here instead of in thread(s) about the Real Thing™...
...think there'll be a lot of woulda/shoulda/coulda "suggestions" floating around the interwebs

My idea is a bit different. I think the most elite clientele should be able to get their way at any luxury brand. That means if they want a certain one-off bodystyle; they should be able to get it.

Rolls-Royce obviously could not offer very low-volume bodystyles (ex: convertible sedan) for dealer stock, but they should be able build them for customers that ask for them. So, RR could start a bespoke bodystyle portfolio. That program could offer many different bodystyles: sport sedans, limousines, sport limousines, broughams (that would be rare), convertible sedans, 4-door coupés, coupés, two-seater coupés, and a roadsters. Each bodystyle would have variants (different window shapes, rooflines, etc.).

2b2
11-15-2014, 04:21 PM
My idea is a bit different...
I know
but I think of customizatioon as a continuum
and this is just from 'the other end', looking at as a group of 'special editions' that only offer (an)other choice(s) without going as far as any true personalization (ie Only You have one like it)

&
feeding my categorization-fixation - came up 7 levels (so far)
-- just colors/materials = [BL]
-- non-structural custom parts
-- drivetrain mods/electrification
-- ragtop,hatch,wagon (greenhouse rebuild)
-- bodymetal (Freeform Fabrication Technology?)
-- custom glass - imho[b]: Rare! if ever
-- chassis stretch/cut & door changes


...I think the most elite clientele should be able to get their way at any luxury brand. That means if they want a certain one-off bodystyle; they should be able to get it.Rolls-Royce obviously could not offer very low-volume bodystyles (ex: convertible sedan) for dealer stock, but they should be able build them for customers that ask for them. So, RR could start a bespoke bodystyle portfolio. That program could offer many different bodystyles: sport sedans, limousines, sport limousines, broughams (that would be rare), convertible sedans, 4-door coupés, coupés, two-seater coupés, and a roadsters. Each bodystyle would have variants (different window shapes, rooflines, etc.).
any idea when this became unavailable on RR or any other überBrand?

&
thinking 'coachbuilt'/'coachbuilder' might be an archaic-obsolete term
tho
perhaps "carrossier"/"carrozzeria" (which afaik means the same thing) might be applicable - think the terms are still used in Yurpland...as well as being adopted by some in the U.S.
+ since Boyd Coddington passed away, who besides Chip Foose could be in this category?

nruggiero
11-15-2014, 06:54 PM
feeding my categorization-fixation - came up 7 levels (so far)
-- just colors/materials =
-- non-structural custom parts
-- drivetrain mods/electrification
-- ragtop,hatch,wagon (greenhouse rebuild)
-- bodymetal (Freeform Fabrication Technology?)
-- custom glass - imho[b]: Rare! if ever
-- chassis stretch/cut & door changes
Awesome!!!!!!! :thumb::thumb::thumb:

any idea when this became unavailable on RR or any other überBrand?
The Great Depression killed most of the coachbuilders. So, it's been a veeeery long time.

thinking 'coachbuilt'/'coachbuilder' might be an archaic-obsolete term
tho
perhaps "carrossier"/"carrozzeria" (which afaik means the same thing) might be applicable - think the terms are still used in Yurpland...as well as being adopted by some in the U.S.
+ since Boyd Coddington passed away, who besides Chip Foose could be in this category?
Many people just use the term 'bespoke', but I think it's a widely abused term.

I'm thinking of that CadZZilla right now...... Boyd was awesome. Not sure I like Mr. Foose..... I'm trying to think of those other guys on TV...... I think they're on the History Channel.

2b2
11-15-2014, 09:05 PM
...Many people just use the term 'bespoke', but I think it's a widely abused term.

I'm thinking of that CadZZilla right now...... Boyd was awesome. Not sure I like Mr. Foose..... I'm trying to think of those other guys on TV...... I think they're on the History Channel.
afaik 'bespoke' is just British for "custom"
like bonnet = hood and
"brilliant" = "cool"

I used to watch Boyd Coddington's "American Hot Rod" tv show on TLC (tho I'm cable-less now)
which reminded me of his "Whatthehay"
http://www.taipeitimes.com/images/2005/01/23/20050122181029.jpeg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads13/1936_delahaye_boyd_coddington_front_side_212182051 20.jpg
which of course
reminded me of its inspiration: Delahaye,
http://www.decorides.com/images/bugattidelahaye/delahaye_painting.jpg (http://www.decorides.com/delahaye.htm)
...The Great Depression killed most of the coachbuilders. So, it's been a veeeery long time...
who (per wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delahaye)) didn't fully decease until 1954
(I vaguely remember a black'n'white Alec Guinness '50s movie with him driving one)
&
happened upon a company/group called Deco Rides (http://www.decorides.com/delahaye.htm) who sound like they're re-creating a/some classics...
...where I swiped that^ painting (they might be a research start for modern coachbuilders)
+
Delahaye led to reminding me of Very famous coachbuilders called "Figoni et Falaschi', who wiki says also lasted into the 1950's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Figoni_et_Falaschi)


anywho... back to my list for v.2
-- just colors/materials -- http://home.surfree.com/~pauld/chk.gif ...+ more/different choices tho
-- non-structural custom parts = thinking grille!!, fascias!, maybe hood/trunklid, probably painted+3M'ed rocker panels
-- drivetrain mods/electrification[b]:
-- ex MKZ = über-FusionEnergi with EB & a Nano-Sport
wondering if it'd be appropriate for [BL] to get a different tune, as in just software settings?
&
-- the others might well wait for the LincStang (?)

2b2
11-16-2014, 05:09 AM
-- drivetrain mods/electrification:
-- ex MKZ = über-FusionEnergi with EB & a Nano-Sport

just thought while re-reading the (whole!) Black Label Launch thread (http://www.fordinsidenews.com/forums/showthread.php?40506-Black-Label-Launch),
the Z-Nano-Sport could mean the 3.7v6 will get dropped
but
wonder if an EB-Plug-In could be offered at the same price as the NanoSport?

'course I'd like the ZENergi to have VirtualAwd, then both top models would be Awd only...

germeezy1
11-17-2014, 05:06 PM
I feel that the BL suite runs the risk of alienating those customers who expect similar service without needing to purchase a BL vehicle. The CLA customer will be treated on a dealer level in a way that is not utterly divergent from the Designo S550 owner, and to many that is one of the appeals of a brand like MB.

2b2
11-17-2014, 06:09 PM
^ just-imho
won't "sit still" long enough for an overall-consumer grudge to develop
...at least that's what I hope...
being a source of surprise&delight for THIS decade anyway



&
finally looked up my old** Mercury Themes (http://home.surfree.com/~pauld/MercuryColors.htm)
[b]Spa (not totally divergent from Oasis),
and with no direct comparos
Ambiance,
Resort,
AmbianceSport,
Tech, &
Sport

** circa 2007

SP1966
11-17-2014, 07:46 PM
I feel that the BL suite runs the risk of alienating those customers who expect similar service without needing to purchase a BL vehicle. The CLA customer will be treated on a dealer level in a way that is not utterly divergent from the Designo S550 owner, and to many that is one of the appeals of a brand like MB.

The elevated service levels, free washes, detailing, no charge service etc., are not an issue IMO because they're not really in the face of those who buy a lesser Lincoln and also because those who get them are paying a premium. The idea of someone coming to the home of a potential BL buyer is also no big deal IMO, again because it won't be rubbed in their faces. The one thing I haven't really liked was the idea of BL only lounges where they will have to tell some customers "Sorry, that's only for the VIP customers.".

Cliffs: Elevated ownership benefits are no big deal so long as they're done in such a manner as to not put off the rest of your customer base.

germeezy1
11-17-2014, 07:57 PM
The elevated service levels, free washes, detailing, no charge service etc., are not an issue IMO because they're not really in the face of those who buy a lesser Lincoln and also because those who get them are paying a premium. The idea of someone coming to the home of a potential BL buyer is also no big deal IMO, again because it won't be rubbed in their faces. The one thing I haven't really liked was the idea of BL only lounges where they will have to tell some customers "Sorry, that's only for the VIP customers.".

Cliffs: Elevated ownership benefits are no big deal so long as they're done in such a manner as to not put off the rest of your customer base.

Mercedes has offered its Designo label for many years, and arguably it could be said that many MB customers ( including those in my area ) already receive many of the BL benefits at no extra cost. Lincoln should not alienate those customers who may be swayed by the benefits of the brand, and who can purchase a CT200h, and yet receive the same benefits as those who drive BL Lincolns ( for the most part) , and LS600h Ls.

SP1966
11-17-2014, 08:35 PM
Mercedes has offered its Designo label for many years, and arguably it could be said that many MB customers ( including those in my area ) already receive many of the BL benefits at no extra cost. Lincoln should not alienate those customers who may be swayed by the benefits of the brand, and who can purchase a CT200h, and yet receive the same benefits as those who drive BL Lincolns ( for the most part) , and LS600h Ls.

So you're saying that the BL services are standard fare at any Lexus dealer?

2b2
11-17-2014, 08:58 PM
I wonder if withholding ness from some dealers is a way of
-- getting them to finish upgrading their dealerships
-- assuming there are laggards...
-- getting any under-performers out of the Brand altogether
??



miscellaneous [BL]² desires[b]:
I'd really like
-- a gray-scale, ie Anthracite-thru-SILVER interior
-- be able to have ANY dash trim I like, regardless of theme (wheels TOO!)
-- have flexibility in cloosing paint color (tho will prolley Love CrystalSilver)

2b2
01-27-2015, 02:20 AM
well, a bit more than 2 years since:LincolnFanFl,
by waiting 2 years it's probably a sure thing that the Nano 2.7v6 and 9speed transmission will be out too!!!

just wanted to take stock of what we ARE getting so far
(of an ON the vehicle nature, not the buyer/owner services parts)

up-graded materials & trims of course and

colors - 8 paint
Black Tie
Crystal Silver
Confidential White
Notorious (blue)
Chroma Flame (fiery red)
Chroma Couture (brown)
Chroma Elite (copper)
Chroma Quartz (medium gray with a slightly purplish tint)

& 6 interiors
Indulgence
Modern Heritage
Center Stage
Oasis
Triple Crown
Muse

Harmon Revel, top sound system

[BL] exclusive wheels

[BL] exclusive seats (MKX = extending thigh support: 22-way+ActiveMotion)

have I missed anything? ...can't easily go to Lincoln.com from home
are the new-style LED headlites going to be a [BL] feature?


http://creativemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/MTLINCOLNBLACKBEL.jpg
"Black Label: Black Tie, Confidential White and Crystal Silver are core colors, and are offered with all interior design themes." (http://creativemag.com/online-weekly/)

paparazzi
01-27-2015, 12:36 PM
Hello guys! Dropping off a little bit of old news... google 2016 lincoln mkx, scroll down on the images and you will see the triple crown mkx black label!

Andrew L
01-27-2015, 01:35 PM
Hello guys! Dropping off a little bit of old news... google 2016 lincoln mkx, scroll down on the images and you will see the triple crown mkx black label!

I don't see it, can you post a link?

paparazzi
01-27-2015, 02:01 PM
I don't see it, can you post a link?

There is no link, just google 2016 lincoln mkx, click on images and go thru the images it will take a bit of time, but there are two images, one showing the chroma copper color exterior with black label wheels, and the other showing the triple crown black label interior, I have to say the wood is exquisite, looks like polished stained wood logs...

2b2
01-27-2015, 02:53 PM
Hi Papa!! :joyous:
&
TY:thumb: ...butBUT we've already seen pix of "TripsC" (http://www.thedetroitbureau.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/2016-Lincoln-MKX-interior.jpg) & ChromaElite...

what we need to see is MUSE!!



ps the "Jaguar - Exclusive Events" brochure I just got could practically be a template for a {Red Portfolio}

Andrew L
01-27-2015, 04:00 PM
Hi Papa!! :joyous:
&
TY:thumb: ...butBUT we've already seen pix of "TripsC" (http://www.thedetroitbureau.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/2016-Lincoln-MKX-interior.jpg) & ChromaElite...

what we need to see is MUSE!!



ps the "Jaguar - Exclusive Events" brochure I just got could practically be a template for a {Red Portfolio}

Thanks 2b2 I didn't realize that was the name of it!

2b2
01-27-2015, 11:37 PM
I made a provisional chart for availability
https://fbcdn-photos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-0/64747_818084018257726_3645183661516856076_n.jpg?ef g=eyJpIjoiYiJ9&oh=d37c7ab0f559d0e06b8cadb6e88628f5&oe=552350B2&__gda__=1433350095_b5868404c04c8e9a5792df4129abca4 6
correction: MKX does get ChromaCouture also - prolley all 4 themes
Wonder if they'll add another Theme to the MKZ when the 2016my goes into production April 6?
think I'd prefer TripleCrown to Oasis...


& while playing with the configurator from the Library earlier today
noticed that they don't let you get the MKZ in GUARD with the HAZELNUT interior - at least for the versions I tried
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y286/2b2/complain.gif
imho a green(ish) car with a brown/tan(ish) interior is a CLASSIC combination!!


edit
looking a Timf's photos from NAIAS (& FINALLY starting to download them http://home.surfree.com/~pauld/bliss.gif) it looks like None of the [BL] paints are sparkly metallic, not even the CrystalSilver http://forums.scifi-nexus.com/images/smilies/nabble/anim_confused.gif

2b2
01-28-2015, 04:13 PM
I'm finally studying pix from home :clap: and *IF* I'm not confused (about this part) it looks like Lincoln(or the Media?) used the Color-Name, "Cappuccino" for 2 different colors
-- the dramatic euro-tan dashtop from TripleCrown and
-- (in Borg's pix) a sorta light-ish Taupe/Putty standard/NON- leather
also
I'm wondering WHAT the material of the TripleCrown dashtop IS... alcantara-psuede or Leather? cuz it looks very matte in pix
...if there's a sample of it in Timf's pix, I haven't downloaded that one yet

(wanted to send Timf & Borg PMs but my puter's being a brat)



&
if my ancient puter co-operates aventually,
will post a lightened version of Timf's foto of the MUSE samples.
Imho it could be Very interesting ... the "tonalities" of the materials seem a Very designer-ish yet easy-to-live-with palette imho

first time I can remember ANY vehicle having more than one or 2 interior color schemes I like[b]:
Muse - Hazelnut - non[BL]"Cappuccino" - Indulgence - Ebony+Aluminum;
TripleCrown might be too intense for me...
...[BL]s get the advantage from CrystalSilver (if that lives up to sample pix), Ingot is just OK imho

timf2001
01-28-2015, 04:23 PM
Cappuccino is definitely an off-white color and not the brown dash of Triple Crown. They called out Terra Cotta stitching, however the Terra Cotta leather sample they had was much darker than the Triple Crown dash. There were no dash samples provided, only seats, headliners, and trim. They did have the full MKX with Triple Crown interior there, but it was locked up and I don't recall the dash looking like a material other than leather. The MKZ and MKC Black Label models definitely had leather dashes.

2b2
01-28-2015, 05:45 PM
^ THANKS, Timf :thumb:
also noticed inconsistent spelling for "Chroma", sometimes it's Chrome in the sample displays
:tsk:
Can't wait for the 2 new themes to added to the official website!!
afaik TripleCrown is the first time Lincoln has (ever?) tried an accent color for the dashtop
wonder how they're handling the different component of...[b]:
(got this to load)
MUSE
https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/t31.0-8/10504790_818502718215856_1812722701884476549_o.jpg ?efg=eyJpIjoiYiJ9
...note: this has been lightened, turned, cropped, & resized from the original foto
edit:
WOW that looks very diff - pixelated, over saturated on the Library's flatpanel



adding my post from GMI (before their server blows up - again

imho, [BlackLabel] is on the verge of critical mass of attraction/seduction
MKZ = 6 interiors (3 std, 3 [BL])
MKC = 7 interiors
MKX = 8 (EIGHT!) interiors
I was perusing an old download of Audi "exclusive" upholstery colors
and UNsplitting hairs, Lincoln is well on its way to their choice-level
just in case anyone wants less nit-pick-negativ-ing :angel

2b2
01-28-2015, 06:10 PM
no News, so putting this here...
Lincoln, counting on Black Label for conquests, to expand program to more states - AutomotiveNews
Nick Bunkley
January 24, 2015 (http://www.autonews.com/article/20150124/RETAIL06/301249942/lincoln-counting-on-black-label-for-conquests-to-expand-program-to)

SAN FRANCISCO -- Lincoln’s new Black Label program, which offers customized themes and an elite level of customer service, is helping the brand make conquest sales and will expand to dealerships in more states in the second half of 2015, executives with the brand said Saturday.

Black Label versions of the MKC and MKZ are currently offered through 35 dealers in six states, including California, New York and Florida. Black Label, which costs about $6,000, also will be available on the MKX when that vehicle is introduced in the third quarter.

“In the second half of this year, we’re going to expand it based on the learnings from the first six states, which we just got into late in the fourth quarter,” Matt VanDyke, director of global Lincoln, told Automotive News. “One of the things that will enable that is the expansion of Black Label across the lineup.”

VanDyke said it was too soon to evaluate how the take rate for Black Label compares to Lincoln’s expectations or to say how many dealerships would offer it by year end.

“It’s very early days, but we’re encouraged by what we’re seeing,” he said. “Midyear will be a point where we can kind of evaluate it.”

Black Label vehicles are made with premium leather and interior wood treatments, exclusive paint colors and other high-end features. Customers also get a variety of additional perks, such as detailing, car washes and the option to have their dealer pick up the vehicle at their home for service appointments. It comes in four themes, including “Indulgence” and “Modern Heritage,” with two more planned for the MKX.

Lincoln’s make meeting had a much more positive tone this year in light of the brand’s sales surge in 2014. Executives told dealers to anticipate further growth this year.

After selling 94,474 vehicles in 2014, a 16 percent increase, the brand could hit 100,000 units for the first time since 2008. The MKC accounted for 13 percent of 2014 sales, even though it didn’t reach dealerships until May.

“The dealers were especially happy with the second half of last year, with the MKC and the new Navigator,” Dan Marks, who chairs the Lincoln National Dealer Council. “They’re expecting big things for 2015. We’re on the right track. We had progress, but we want more.”

2b2
01-29-2015, 07:52 PM
ALERT
the MKZ Configurator (http://bp.lincoln.com/#/mkz/2015/color/Config[|Lincoln|MKZ%20Black%20Label|2015|1|1.|.L2M..ZX... 999.59Z.PFD.NONFLEET.~BLACK.) is showing me that OASIS is available!!
:clap: (I think)


unless I'm doing sumthin wrong...

LincolnFanFl
01-29-2015, 10:25 PM
When I took my new Jeep in today to have some updates applied, I just walked a few steps to the local Lincoln dealer next door. They had a HUGE inventory of MKCs - really nice. I was told they would start construction for the new building on April 1st and should be done once the new MKX arrives - and once updated, they would be a BL dealer, too - just like their branch in Orlando.

So based on what you posted about BL, 2b2, it seems BL will be available on the MKX right from the start. Very good!:thumb:

And honestly - if Lincoln is serious about BL, they need to have it ready when the buzz is the greatest about the MKX - and that initial buzz will be gone if they would delay BL 'til 'sometime in 2016'...

2b2
01-31-2015, 04:15 PM
^ I've been wondering lately about the number of dealers**
from 'leaky' memory, think it was only about a dozen at first
and saw something-somewhere about it hitting around 3-dozen(?) by the end of this year...

** want a U.S. map with 50 mile radiuseses marked for every dealer


&
not simply a [BL] issue but
from hearing(reading) how the Germans (esp BuMble-w) have big upcharges for everything that many/most want featurewise + this GMI post by [b]member12 (http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f21/reasons-why-ats-doesnt-sell-well-will-cadillac-ever-have-standing-world-193825/index4.html#post4700666)...I just priced out a 320i and an ATS with the options I'd want... I was shocked to find that the BMW had a lower MSRP by nearly $2000.
Seeing...the 320i...with what seems to be a larger interior, it is a no-brainer unless there are rebates on the hood of the Cadillac. The sticker for both of those cars [b]gets inflated rapidly with options, but the ATS doesn't appear to be as good of a value as the 3 series. I also notice that there are more powertrain configurations for the BMW products. That's pretty nice...
seems Caddy copies even the Germans' faults!
thinking that Lincoln (OR CADILLAC) could go ahead and set base prices quite close to the Germans' equivalents AND even with similar feature levels (see bait'n'switch thread (http://www.fordinsidenews.com/forums/showthread.php?44322-corporate-bait-n-switch-GM-s-new-ba-e-model))
BUT
make our upcharges much more reasonable/affordable
THEN (back on topic)
would target that vague, unadvertised area below InscriptionIndividualExclusiveBespoke-hood and including/demystifying the Germans' confusing plethora of M-Sport/AMGlite/high-endSTDs

naturlich, [WhiteLabel] would take on everybodies' bespoke stuff...
http://home.surfree.com/~pauld/bliss.gif


EDIT!!
wondering if FLincMoCo has a (firm) idea of how far they'd *Like* to take (specifically) [BLACK Label]?
ex[b]:
- how many paint colors - overall and for any individual model
- ditto interior themes
(I'm thinking total numbers wouldn't be much more than individual models' choices - mainly just wiggle room for intro'ing new themes)
&
- pricing**?!? Will they experiment with multi-pricepoints? 'Reach Higher' in feeling out a more Bespode (white) Label Program? &Or start incorporating [BL] features/nuances into standard fare? Could today's [BL] be (sorta) tomorrow's base Lincolns?
+
I'd think they'd have later scenarios penciled in
- an exit strategy if situations drastically change
- PLANS FOR SPEEDING the TEMPO
- metrics for judging "success" - timetables too


re-edit ** howzabout a [BlackLabel-LEASE]??

LincolnFanFl
02-01-2015, 12:37 AM
re-edit ** howzabout a [BlackLabel-LEASE]??

You know, 2b2, BL and leasing will be one of the most crucial decisions Lincoln will have to make and will greatly affect BL's success-rate.

Leasing is where BMW shines and if Lincoln wants to be a luxury-alternative, they have to sponsor leasing as well. They are already better than Chrysler. I learned that when I leased my Jeep. $6K extra for BL might appear steep - but if the lease is attractive, it doesn't really matter how much the MSRP is.

Looking at the new MKX, it's safe to say that a comparable X5 will probably be $20K more. However, when leasing the MKX will cost just as much, you can imagine where this is going..

So to be honest, leasing rates on the new MKX will be almost more interesting to watch than the MSRP itself. This will be HUGE!

2b2
02-01-2015, 08:45 PM
^ glad I added that lease comment, LFFL,
been thinking (& mentioned) that for a while...
...boost the msrp, lower the lease payments :joyous:


&
from GMI (http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f37/nissan-vehicles-use-common-visible-parts-194818/#post4704354), the bolded part after this background:
...Interesting parallel is that so far Cadillac is using the same dash/center stack design for all it's cars......I know that GM has used the same steering wheel across a product/platform line, but not necessarily within the same brand ... Same was true of the original Malibu and G6 -- platform mates that shared the same (very ugly) steering wheel. Eventually, the revised Malibu, Aura, and G6 all shared the same three-spoke steering wheel as well (I'm assuming because they were platformmates).
However, I don't think I've ever seen GM dedicate a single-type/appearing steering wheel to an entire division. AFAIK, for GM to do this would be new phenomenon.FCA is already doing this as well. I looked at/sat in the Maseratis at NAIAS and noticed much of the switchgear appeared straight out of a Dodge Caravan.

just-imho
it depends on how small-or-concise a Brand's lineup is:
I ranted for this for Mercury before it was hiatus'ed but would never suggest it for the Ford Brand
& not sure it's appropriate for a brand with "True Lux" aspirations**
+
ABHOR the idea of cross-Brand contamination just cuz models share(d) platforms


** actually, having different designs for different Themes ( cough*[BL]*cough ) sounds wonderful http://www.fordinsidenews.com/forums/images/smilies/clap.gif
with every model that offers that theme using the same parts (as much as feasible)

adamjeeps
02-06-2015, 04:35 PM
So you're saying that the BL services are standard fare at any Lexus dealer?

Our RX 350 (which we bought used at Carmax, but still had bumper to bumper warranty) dealer experience was top-notch. The few times I needed service, I was given a loaner without even asking, there was Starbucks coffee, pastries, soda, etc..., and the vehicle was always returned to me detailed inside and out, not just "washed". This was back in 2010-2011.

2b2
02-09-2015, 05:32 PM
from Lincoln @ fb (https://m.facebook.com/Lincoln/photos/np.48443002.100001684060331/10152808318152982/?type=1&_rdr)

Indulgence in some direct sunlight
https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/t31.0-8/s540x540/10952569_10152808318152982_768141879125944054_o.jp g
2048x1365 (https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/t31.0-8/10952569_10152808318152982_768141879125944054_o.jp g?efg=eyJpIjoiYiJ9)

2b2
02-13-2015, 06:06 PM
from Borg's NAIAS cloud gallery (hope you don't mind

XE upholstery colors

http://www.fordinsidenews.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11874&d=1423865058

click attachment for large
(( dunno why it did that ))

2b2
02-18-2015, 07:19 PM
just wondering about BLUE ...please join in!

http://photo.netcarshow.com/Hyundai-Veloster_2016_photo_2f.jpg

but
definitely don't want the 'dead-blue' they used a generation or two ago
esp for the DASH


adding (NOT nec. suggesting) :
http://www.lotustalk.com/forums/attachments/f118/426d1073172670-blue-car-red-interior-photoshopd-magnetic_blue_interrior.jpg
http://www.motorward.com/wp-content/images/2013/10/TopCar-Blue-Crocodile-Interior-3.jpg
http://www.zerotohundred.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/porsche-gemballa-mirage-gt-matte-edition-6-600x450.jpg
http://www.automobilesreview.com/uploads/2012/09/Graf-Weckerle-2012-Mercedes-Benz-SL-500-651.jpg
http://www.fordinsidenews.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=12177&d=1424382055

2b2
02-19-2015, 05:37 PM
copying...
imho they should have BOTH metallic(/glass, like Tuxedo) plus ultra-black non-metallic black!!


edit - kinda wondering if later, [BL] could specialize in more designer/art-shade colors?
AND
offer (some of) the standard colors on [BL] vehicles too!


I'm not home now where my database textfiles are so
might say more with color-Lists later...

ThomasWC
02-19-2015, 05:45 PM
http://www.automobilesreview.com/uploads/2012/09/Graf-Weckerle-2012-Mercedes-Benz-SL-500-651.jpg

That interior looks good to me. I think Lincoln could pull off something like that if done right. Absolutely love that white stitching/piping.

2b2
02-19-2015, 10:31 PM
copying...imho they should have BOTH metallic(/glass, like Tuxedo) plus ultra-black non-metallic black!!


edit - kinda wondering if later, [BL] could specialize in more designer/art-shade colors?
AND
offer (some of) the standard colors on [BL] vehicles too!

I'm not home now where my database textfiles are so
might say more with color-Lists later...
from textfile...
"ChromaFlare" [BL]
ChromaFlame
ChromaCouture
Chroma Elite (Copper)
Chroma Quartz (Medium Gray with a slightly purplish tint)

"Trend" [BL]
Notorious(Blue)

"Core" [BL]
BlackTie
CrystalSilver
Confidential(White)

non[BL]
WhitePlatinum
BlackVelvet
Tuxedo
LuxeMetalicious
Magnetic
SmokedQuartz
IngotSilver
SilverSand
PlatinumDune
KaratGold
BronzeFire
RubyRed
TahitianPearl
MidnightSapphire
AllureBlue
Guard

so...
2 dozen choices overall,
not counting:
Java(Navi), Kodiak(MKT), DarkSide(MKS) ((vehicles which aren't able yet)) &
which ^ colors I ^ expect to be ^ replaced for the 2016my

- - - - - - - -

basically
-- think I'd make the Core-[BL] paints STD, if costs don't prohibit that
or vice-versa
or develop new White, Black[b](s), & Silver

-- need BOTH metallic(/glass, like Tuxedo) plus ultra-black non-metallic black available on Every Lincoln

-- NEVER have a Karat-like (or GingerAle/Kiwi-like) color STD on Lincolns

- - - - - - -

edit/add-attachment of my latest "post [BL]" colors

jesster1228
02-20-2015, 01:43 AM
I came across some Black Label pics on the Alcantara Facebook page:

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t235/jesster1228/10991060_806356219435929_9111939721131910984_n.jpg[/URL]
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t235/jesster1228/11001874_806356222769262_7312709392733800604_n.jpg (http://s161.photobucket.com/user/jesster1228/media/11001874_806356222769262_7312709392733800604_n.jpg .html)
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t235/jesster1228/1558491_806356392769245_2390592899575794669_n.jpg (http://s161.photobucket.com/user/jesster1228/media/1558491_806356392769245_2390592899575794669_n.jpg. html)
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t235/jesster1228/10408687_806356362769248_3840771709133732383_n.jpg (http://s161.photobucket.com/user/jesster1228/media/10408687_806356362769248_3840771709133732383_n.jpg .html)
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t235/jesster1228/983851_806356442769240_7728972236691522514_n.jpg (http://s161.photobucket.com/user/jesster1228/media/983851_806356442769240_7728972236691522514_n.jpg.h tml)

2b2
02-20-2015, 03:03 AM
^ those are Great, Jesster, TY!! :thumb: & :joyous:

thoI came across some Black Label pics on the Alcantara Facebook page:

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t235/jesster1228/10408687_806356362769248_3840771709133732383_n.jpg

this ^ one eludes me
looks like a CenterStage withOUT any Firefox Red
http://forums.scifi-nexus.com/images/smilies/nabble/anim_confused.gif
do you think it could just be a pre/non-production tester??

Andrew L
02-20-2015, 08:33 AM
http://www.automobilesreview.com/uploads/2012/09/Graf-Weckerle-2012-Mercedes-Benz-SL-500-651.jpg

That interior looks good to me. I think Lincoln could pull off something like that if done right. Absolutely love that white stitching/piping.

I agree I like that shade of blue for an interior!

timf2001
02-20-2015, 11:04 AM
^ those are Great, Jesster, TY!! :thumb: & :joyous:

tho

this ^ one eludes me
looks like a CanterStage withOUT any Firefox Red
http://forums.scifi-nexus.com/images/smilies/nabble/anim_confused.gif
do you think it could just be a pre/non-production tester??
That one is Indulgence, but it's so dark it's hard to tell the brown from black.

2b2
02-20-2015, 02:58 PM
That one is Indulgence, but it's so dark it's hard to tell the brown from black.
TY :thumb: Timf
I put that pic thru my manipulation program again this morning & was able to bring out the brown color
BUT
the seat inserts (middle panels) still look like al cantara to me which Indulgence doesn't use (afaik = only CenterStage does)
http://forums.scifi-nexus.com/images/smilies/nabble/anim_confused.gif

- - - - -

& re: blue ^^ & ^^^^^^ :thumb:s & please feel free to post others you guys like
I didn't search much at all before & actually think I'd prefer a black & "blueprint" combo (sorta)

- - - - -

&
googling at puter lab
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/6e/65/d1/6e65d1066d87506a0d8568f372ebd4db.jpg
http://www.fordinsidenews.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=12193&d=1424472166
http://www.fordinsidenews.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=12225&d=1424492170
that Aston pic^ is manipulated = changed red-orange parts to blue

2b2
02-27-2015, 06:52 PM
crossreferencing:
video Link thanks to Jose (http://www.fordinsidenews.com/forums/showthread.php?40842-Lincoln-Makes-its-Official-Launch-in-China&p=399817&viewfull=1#post399817)
& from
http://www.lincoln.com.cn/en/brand-news#fullscreen-overlay=cid=1249096780120
"MODERN HERITAGE Elegance without opulence"
:thumb:

&imho
[BL] needs to use gloss black for grille accents
ref the little NON-gloss part at the side by the HLs
http://www.fordinsidenews.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=12329&d=1425072645
the Passat has that and when I saw one parked next to the sidewalk, it stopped me IN MY TRACKS to appreciate it

2b2
03-09-2015, 04:06 AM
I've been thinking of sumthin and tonight's MKX-pricing-posts have pushed me over the edge (not hard).
Now
this isn't specifically about or
even specifically about Lincoln (ulterior motive)
but
imho it'd be interesting to know for future reference...

does everyone here 'remember'/know-about how Edsel Ford really started '''Continental''' ?
(iirc)
it was after a trip to Yurpland, and he wanted to build a car FOR HIMSELF
then his rich friends saw it and wanted one TOO

so
since Auto Execs (of any brand) don't seem willing to let anyone KNOW if they've done this.
...Other than diff sheetmetal-or-graphics (HL,TL,grille) (which would require a chop or 2 minimum)...
I'm wondering what WE would do if we could[b] . . . http://forums.scifi-nexus.com/images/smilies/nabble/anim_confused.gif

http://www.blueovalforums.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/idea.gif I would make any the black cladding around the wheels PaintColor!! and have the DesignStudio put in overtime making the rest of the black plastic (rockerpanels, bottom fascias) out of CHROME or brushed aluminium OR BOTH!!
http://www.blueovalforums.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/idea.gif and it wouldn't be a huge car or have to have a huge engine
http://www.blueovalforums.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/idea.gif in fact it' be a Virtual-Awd EB Plug-in-Hybrid


Anyone else??

2b2
03-10-2015, 08:24 PM
more blue - a quickie 'chop' I've meant to do for a while

don't remember what car it's from but MKII posted the original :thumb:

http://www.fordinsidenews.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=12865&d=1426029780

2b2
03-24-2015, 05:18 PM
http://www.fordinsidenews.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=13186&d=1427228249
posted today on Lincoln @ facebook (https://m.facebook.com/Lincoln/photos/np.49867683.100001684060331/10152903897857982/?type=1&_rdr)

Could this be a NEW [BL] theme for the S(wic)??
doesn't quite look like any current one to me...

2b2
04-07-2015, 05:25 PM
just posted on Lincoln @ facebook
http://www.fordinsidenews.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=13977&d=1428438216
(https://m.facebook.com/Lincoln/photos/np.1428414354218306.100001684060331/10152933063552982/?type=1&_rdr)
...the next [BlackLabel]?? :D

Dequindre
04-07-2015, 05:59 PM
http://www.fordinsidenews.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=13186&d=1427228249
posted today on Lincoln @ facebook (https://m.facebook.com/Lincoln/photos/np.49867683.100001684060331/10152903897857982/?type=1&_rdr)

Could this be a NEW [BL] theme for the S(wic)??
doesn't quite look like any current one to me...

I think they're referring to "Indulgence".

2b2
04-14-2015, 05:36 PM
'nother fotoMiami Mod
http://www.fordinsidenews.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=14314&d=1429043664
fb page Link (https://m.facebook.com/Lincoln/photos/np.1429021549800794.100001684060331/10152948731322982/?type=1&_rdr) - full foto (https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t31.0-8/11157545_10152948731322982_8045345824524086560_o.j pg?efg=eyJpIjoiYiJ9)


and to help keep us/me confused :yikes:
here's
3/30
Black Label: Modern Heritage in Miami
Now.Lincoln.com (http://now.lincoln.com/2015/03/black-label-modern-heritage-in-miami/)
As the laws of physics state, for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. The Lincoln Black Label Modern Heritage theme is built on the same principle. Old world influences are tempered by modern design principles, creamy, ecru leather is energized with bold red stitching, and sharp, hard-edged shapes are balanced with rounded, gentle curves. At the Lincoln Black Label home in Miami, we translated this ethos of visual harmony to interior design, designing two rooms inspired by the Modern Heritage theme...

2b2
05-11-2015, 04:21 PM
just posting this to re-find it easily
foto showing the texture of the Z's interior (Not afaik)
http://blog.caranddriver.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/2014-Lincoln-MKZ-2.0T-AWD-122-876x535.jpg

edit
and
2013 MKZ wheels give an example of why I'd like some future wheels to have hidden/covered lugnuts ...with a Larger Star-Logo
http://media.caranddriver.com/images/13q3/529438/2013-lincoln-mkz-20h-wheel-photo-532348-s-986x603.jpg


re-edit links to fotos I don't remember seeing before (also from C&D)
[b]C Indulgence (http://media.caranddriver.com/images/media/648356/2015-lincoln-mkc-black-label-interior-photo-648623-s-986x603.jpg)
C CenterStage (angle shows very little Foxfire) (http://media.caranddriver.com/images/media/648356/2015-lincoln-mkc-black-label-interior-photo-648624-s-986x603.jpg)
Z ModernHeritage (http://media.caranddriver.com/images/media/648356/2015-lincoln-mkz-black-label-interior-photo-648641-s-986x603.jpg)

2b2
06-05-2015, 02:39 AM
while googling something else, came across what looks like a CenterStage sample box

http://www.fordinsidenews.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=15985&d=1433482691
fullsize (http://www.optimistdesign.com/wp-content/uploads/lincoln_03.jpg)

&
what appears to be the in-dealer setup in a U.S. dealership that I don't remember seeing before
http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/142411027625fd48a5bc128303b579464bf1cd02/c=0-117-1308-1098&r=x404&c=534x401/local/-/media/DetroitFreePress/2014/11/16/dfplincolnblackse6.jpg
Free Press article from last November (http://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/ford/2014/11/17/lincoln-black-series-la-auto-show/19142359/)

2b2
06-05-2015, 02:57 PM
Lincoln is worrying me...

Lincoln’s “Black Label At Home” Experience
For New York’s Tribeca Film Festival, Lincoln upped the style-ante by unveiling its upscale penthouse and automotive concierge service.
CraveoOnline.com
June 2nd, 2015
http://cdn3-www.craveonline.com/assets/uploads/2015/05/1429790541199.jpg-e1432645959650.png (http://www.craveonline.com/design/cars-auto-motorcyles/860189-lincoln-luxury-uncovered)

^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ / ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^
NOT inviting imho / fashion-victims R us

2b2
06-09-2015, 12:51 AM
one of my favorite columnists...

Lincoln MKZ Sedan Offers the Luxury of Common Sense
Enterprise/Wheels: Special To The Washington Post
By Warren Brown - May 31, 2015
http://www.fordinsidenews.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=16057&d=1433821772 (http://enterprise.vnews.com/2015/05/31/wheels-lincoln-mkz-sedan-offers-the-luxury-of-common-sense/)

It is a beautiful car. That is the essence of it.

Forget prestige, intangible quality — all those things that have everything to do with the price inflation of an automobile but little or nothing to do with enjoyment of the car itself.

Think sculpture. Think art. Think the 2015 Black Label edition of the Lincoln MKZ sedan. It is an exquisitely beautiful car, inside and out, pure and simple...

...the Black Label folks at Lincoln are doing it right, and probably for a heck of a lot less money [than Cadillac (watch?v=Xpugp6DIb3I)].

How are they doing it? By using common sense. To wit: Give folks an undeniably beautiful car offering a choice of four superbly rendered interior design themes — tan-and-cream Oasis, dramatic red-and-black Center Stage, voluptuous chocolate Indulgence, or the elegantly minimalist black-and-white Modern Heritage...

...all this fuss from automotive media and marketing types about horsepower of 400 or more and track-level handling and performance makes little practical sense to me. I’ve been stuck in immense traffic jams all over the world — Brazil, South Africa, Italy, Britain — where horsepower made much less sense to me than the favorable appointments, ergonomics and comfort of the cabin.

This Lincoln MKZ gives those things to me. The promised Black Label treatment offered by Lincoln is much more appealing to me than the rush toward “exclusivity” now championed by the folks at Cadillac...

...what I want...is to feel special. And I want an undeniably beautiful automobile — elegantly flowing exterior lines with bold winged front fascia, deep-chocolate interior covered with Venetian leather and Alcantara textures, and one of the most attractive, ergonomically useful instrument centers in the business.

I want the Black Label edition of the Lincoln MKZ.

SP1966
06-09-2015, 01:03 AM
^^^^^

Well then he should get in line!! Oh, wait, there is no line.

I agree though on the MKZ, taken for what it is intended to be it's phenomenal IMO, the problem comes when people consider it for what they wanted it to be.

DetroitBORG
06-09-2015, 01:00 PM
That's the important distinction between Ford and Lincoln, a Lincoln makes you feel special in hundreds of tangible and intangible ways. It's not a matter of technologies alone.

2b2
06-22-2015, 02:53 AM
something I'd never heard about...
Dodge Viper 1-Of-1 Personalization Program Expanded, Matte Finish Now Available
MotorAuthority
By Viknesh Vijayenthiran
Jun 21, 2015 (http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1098817_dodge-viper-1-of-1-personalization-program-expanded)

Dodge’s ultra-exclusive ‘1-of-1’ personalization program for its Viper supercar has proven so popular that for the 2016 model year the American go-fast brand is adding even more options, one of which is a striking matte finish available for most of the exterior colors. It means the Viper is now available in more than 50 million unique configurations, made up from the more than 16,000 unique paint color options and more than 48,000 unique stripe combinations...
...Some additional options include satin chrome or satin black finishes for the badges and fuel cap...

...Dodge will start accepting orders for the 2016 Viper in July. Remember, no two Vipers ordered with the 1-of-1 personalization program are allowed to be alike for any single model year, not even when it comes to their color, so if you have a particular combination in mind you had better head to your local Dodge dealer come July and lock in your preference. Dodge has an online configurator for its 1-of-1 Viper personalization program that you can play around with, details of which you can find here: Link (http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1097865_build-your-ideal-1-of-1-dodge-viper-srt-with-new-configurator) -to- Link (http://www.drivesrt.com/viper/)

2b2
06-30-2015, 07:10 PM
happened upon a blue interior in a 3yo LDC video

http://www.fordinsidenews.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=16705&stc=1&d=1435702175



just sticking this here...
saw a diff version of the old engineering maxim:
fast / good / cheap ... pick two
performance / luxury / price ...



'nother edit
was thinking tonight that FLincMoCo might be changing from Tuxedo to Velvet(non-met.black)
so they can bring out a new über-sparkly 'black' exclusively for [BL]
( imho however, Lincoln needs to offer both! )

2b2
07-15-2015, 08:22 PM
Lincoln @ facebook released a nother themed interior photo**
http://www.fordinsidenews.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=17545&stc=1&d=1437002076
http://forums.scifi-nexus.com/images/smilies/nabble/anim_confused.gif (https://m.facebook.com/Lincoln/photos/np.1436987416148964.100001684060331/10153159693657982/?type=1&_rdr)
This^^^ is supposed to be [b][CenterStage]???
http://www.camaroz28.com/forums/images/smilies/confused.gif http://home.surfree.com/~pauld/nono.gif



** imhO, someone at Lincoln must be a frustrated interior decoratorhttp://home.surfree.com/~pauld/poke.gif
&
tho I almost hate to say it ... they need to throw away the ArchitecturalDigest and study MarthaStewart & LauraAshley http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/images/smilies/eek.gif;
the stuff they've shown is just too antiseptic, sterile, and UN-welcoming

2b2
07-26-2015, 06:37 PM
EXCORIATING the Z[BL]
C&D
July 2015 By STEVE SILER (http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2015-lincoln-mkz-hybrid-review)

OVERVIEW
2015 Lincoln MKZ Hybrid Black Label, base price: $46,500. Technology package: $2495. Multi-contour seats: $595. Full-length sliding glass roof: $2995. THX sound system: $995. Chroma Flame metallic red paint: $1750. Grand total: $55,330.

Yep, 55 grand.

Why lead this review with a price breakdown? Because it underscores the point we’ve made about the MKZ all along, which is that it doesn’t offer a whole lot more than the Ford Fusion with which it shared its mechanicals—all but one of the powertrains and even the infotainment setups are identical—yet it is far more expensive. Indeed, this particular MKZ is nearly as expensive as possible, which makes its shortcomings stand out even more...

[ deleted Hybrid-specific verbiage to focus on [BL], 2b2 ]

...As a luxury car, the Black Label model we tested is a mixed bag. Like all MKZs, this test car is very pretty—perhaps its strongest selling point versus the cheaper Fusion—and has a ride that’s creamier than a bowl of warm pudding. The Black Label’s material upgrades, which include a black microsuede headliner, leather-topped dash and door panels, and black-stained wood, are worthy of a Mercedes-Benz. But in our car those niceties contrasted starkly with ill-fitting dash-to-door junctions, a warped rubber liner in the lower center console, and grainy hard plastics behind the headrests and in the cup holders.

At the end of the day, it’s going to take more than Venetian leather and the numerous spiffs of Black Label ownership (see below) to make the MKZ better. A refreshed MKZ is expected next year as a 2017 model, and it will adopt Continental-esque styling cues, although that will address the aspect of the MKZ that needs the least help. [bolding 2b2] Here’s hoping Lincoln puts just as much work into the interior and powertrain.

WHAT'S NEW
The new-for-2015 Black Label trim levels for the MKZ and MKC are part of Lincoln’s effort to distance its products from the Fords on which they’re based, as well as to provide a more special ownership experience than non–Black Label models. Buyers of the high-zoot Lincolns get services—administered through certified Black Label dealers—such as single-point concierge service, free car washes for the entire length of ownership, vehicle pickup/delivery for maintenance, free loaner cars during service, and more. The MKZ Black Label interiors come in four flavors—ranging from warm brown tones to the more avant-garde black-and-tomato “Center Stage” theme on our test vehicle—and include the aforementioned headliner, as well as perforated microsuede and Venetian leather upholstery, real wood, and coordinated floor mats. All this comes at a cost of $10,415 more than the base MKZ. [ misleading/incomplete price reference ]

WHAT WE LIKE
The MKZ’s styling has always been its strongest selling point, and while the Black Label treatment brings few exterior tweaks to distinguish those cars from workaday MKZs, the car looks fresh and modern. The massive sliding roof is quite cool, especially when sitting in the rear seat. The ride quality is Lincoln-worthy...[ Hybrid-verbiage ]... Speaking of sound, the optional THX audio system is splendid. The chance to experience the Black Label fixin’s was the primary reason we reviewed this car again, and indeed they’re very, very nice.

WHAT WE DON'T LIKE
[ Hybrid-verbiage ]... The push-button transmission gear selector and audio-volume/fan-speed slider controls look clean in terms of design but create challenging—and sometimes irritating—ergonomic experiences. Finally, the nifty roof blocks much of the view out of the rear window when retracted, and we’re told that its weight may account in part for our disappointing fuel economy.

VERDICT
Even the Black Label experience isn’t enough to make the MKZ competitive in its entry-luxury segment.

LincolnFanFl
07-26-2015, 07:12 PM
WHAT WE DON'T LIKE
[ Hybrid-verbiage ]... The push-button transmission gear selector and audio-volume/fan-speed slider controls look clean in terms of design but create challenging—and sometimes irritating—ergonomic experiences.

Haha...yeah, if pushing a button is too much of a 'challenge' for somebody, that person shouldn't be behind a wheel in the first place.:facepalm:

ZanatWork
07-26-2015, 10:00 PM
Relating to my inspection of the MKZ, I can only agree with C/D.

Hybrids, especially expensive hybrids, shouldn't be coming in at under 200 horsepower.

Apparently, they found the new materials insufficient to excuse an underwhelming interior, overall...and the interior was something I did NOT like when I checked out the MKZ.

Here's hoping that the upcoming MCE is much more than the typical styling update with added paint colors.

Dequindre
07-26-2015, 10:42 PM
Relating to my inspection of the MKZ, I can only agree with C/D.

Hybrids, especially expensive hybrids, shouldn't be coming in at under 200 horsepower.

Apparently, they found the new materials insufficient to excuse an underwhelming interior, overall...and the interior was something I did NOT like when I checked out the MKZ.

Here's hoping that the upcoming MCE is much more than the typical styling update with added paint colors.

The MKZ will be getting a big refresh soon, so I'm sure that interior materials will be more consistent with the MKC and MKX.

2b2
07-26-2015, 11:05 PM
The MKZ will be getting a big refresh soon, so I'm sure that interior materials will be more consistent with the MKC and MKX.&...Hybrids, especially expensive hybrids, shouldn't be coming in at under 200 horsepower...
I haven't had the privilege of spending enough time/miles in any Z to have a strong opinion on materials
but the interior Design while quite pleasant imho, doesn't WOW me**
&I used to rant for adding an MKZ-ENergi
but now I believe ordinary-hybrids are past their BestBy Date, at least for Lux Brands
so I'd rather it just replace the Z-Hybrid

(would also prefer the
- engine &or
- batteries
were upgraded from the Fusion/C-Max-Energi)
as I've said^practically every chance/where I can


** have NOT seen [BL] in person http://www.blueovalforums.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/cry.gif

LincolnFanFl
07-26-2015, 11:14 PM
Relating to my inspection of the MKZ, I can only agree with C/D.

Hybrids, especially expensive hybrids, shouldn't be coming in at under 200 horsepower.

Apparently, they found the new materials insufficient to excuse an underwhelming interior, overall...and the interior was something I did NOT like when I checked out the MKZ.

Here's hoping that the upcoming MCE is much more than the typical styling update with added paint colors.

AFAIK, the new materials coming with BL weren't the issue. Frankly, the materials are probably as good as it gets. They weren't happy with the gaps like between the dash and the doors. I can agree with that to a certain degree.

However, I do not understand why they are complaining about the price. There is simply no other vehicle out there that delivers more for less. If they want to compare the quality of craftsmanship to a BMW individual or a MB designo, they should also be so kind and compare the price - equally equipped, of course. It will be very difficult to get such a car for less than $70K. No surprise they also swept all other amenities that come with BL under the rug. Try to request a free daily car wash on your $55K Benz and they will consider you mentally ill.

And the performance of the hybrid is better than I expected. It put a smile on my face that it was basically stated as a negative that the "MKZ Hybrid is not a sports-car'. Oh, really?:facepalm:

I am actually positively surprised by its performance and I don't regret trading in the V6. Not at all.

Without a doubt, the MKZ is not a mainstream-vehicle. Fortunately!
It is polarizing - and that's exactly what I want. You either like it or hate it. For me, it's a perfect match and I love it inside out. I (or my mother, to be exact) gets compliments on a regular basis - for some strange reason more on the new red one than on the previous black.

2b2
07-27-2015, 12:21 AM
I can't really put myself in the place of a customer with "cash" in hand
but
...And the performance of the hybrid is better than I expected. It put a smile on my face that it was basically stated as a negative that the "MKZ Hybrid is not a sports-car'. Oh, really?:facepalm:

I am actually positively surprised by its performance and I don't regret trading in the V6. Not at all....
re: performance imho, it's a lot like the Z's color-chameleon effect;
if someone doesn't push their Z (beyond average commuter-driving),
they'll never know the 'other side of its personality'
http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/images/smilies/drive.gif vroom vroom
I wonder what cars match-up with the Z-H's electro-enhanced torque - in any quasi-legal mph range


re: features-UN-compared or anything that smacks of a writer just not getting it;
wonder if it's a form of color(Lux)blindness
& they just don't/can't see Lincoln's chosen part of the Lux-spectrum
((tho I also say they must be blind to GROSS aspects of (esp) MB or Lexoid))

LincolnFanFl
07-27-2015, 12:38 AM
Well, I signed the lease on this car without ever driving a Hybrid before so I was a bit nervous. I saw a YouTube video of one going from 0-60 and that eased my mind a bit.

Don't get me wrong - driving the V6 was fun as well - but as soon as get behind the wheel on this Hybrid, there is still fun - but in a different way. The focus simply changes from performance to efficiency. I know now that BOTH can be addictive. Unfortunately, day to day driving on crowded streets leaves less room for performance - so I was willing to try something else.

The stated 31 MPG from the article, however, are simply BS. Yesterday, I filled up the hybrid for a second time and punched in the numbers on fully.com. Turned out that I got 35.7 MPG - and we certainly didn't drive it like a rolling road-block..:thumb:

Especially on such a Hybrid which 'learns' your routes over time, this number is likely to go up.

falcon lover
07-27-2015, 11:25 AM
Well, I signed the lease on this car without ever driving a Hybrid before so I was a bit nervous. I saw a YouTube video of one going from 0-60 and that eased my mind a bit.

Don't get me wrong - driving the V6 was fun as well - but as soon as get behind the wheel on this Hybrid, there is still fun - but in a different way. The focus simply changes from performance to efficiency. I know now that BOTH can be addictive. Unfortunately, day to day driving on crowded streets leaves less room for performance - so I was willing to try something else.

The stated 31 MPG from the article, however, are simply BS. Yesterday, I filled up the hybrid for a second time and punched in the numbers on fully.com. Turned out that I got 35.7 MPG - and we certainly didn't drive it like a rolling road-block..:thumb:

Especially on such a Hybrid which 'learns' your routes over time, this number is likely to go up.

Congratulations for your new car. is a great vehicle.

Andrew L
07-27-2015, 11:39 AM
Well, I signed the lease on this car without ever driving a Hybrid before so I was a bit nervous. I saw a YouTube video of one going from 0-60 and that eased my mind a bit.

Don't get me wrong - driving the V6 was fun as well - but as soon as get behind the wheel on this Hybrid, there is still fun - but in a different way. The focus simply changes from performance to efficiency. I know now that BOTH can be addictive. Unfortunately, day to day driving on crowded streets leaves less room for performance - so I was willing to try something else.

The stated 31 MPG from the article, however, are simply BS. Yesterday, I filled up the hybrid for a second time and punched in the numbers on fully.com. Turned out that I got 35.7 MPG - and we certainly didn't drive it like a rolling road-block..:thumb:

Especially on such a Hybrid which 'learns' your routes over time, this number is likely to go up.

With our morning commutes in the busy Tampa Bay area I figured I needed to take efficiency over performance. The worst I have gotten is 35.4 according to Fuelly. That's still a **** of a lot better than any of my previous cars. As long as I keep getting above 35 I will be happy. BTW did you notice each time you drive you get a trip summary? I took a short drive from one end of St. Pete to the other and got 45.2 MPG and over half of it was purely in EV mode. You are right it is like a different kind of fun specially the braking aspect. I tend to get upset if I get less than 90% :-(

falcon lover
07-27-2015, 12:03 PM
More than simple interior new colors, i think that Lincoln needs a more complex customization program.

The new luxury will be the ability to customize the car to your liking. Including the exterior.

The next MKZ or a new medium or small car must to be capable to had a variety of combinations in the exterior and in the interior. I see something like the Mini brand... with many options in the color and materials of the roof, exterior rear view mirrors, grilles, trims. Even , the possibility to had a carbon fiber roof in the sport and powerful versions (the same for the exterior mirrors: body color, contrasting color, chrome, carbon fiber). In the interior, wood, aluminum (real...), chrome ( for us, that love it...) or carbon fiber options for the dash and door trims, plus many options of leather and alcantara for the seats. I think that the tech is important, and maybe Lincoln should load the car with all the tech they are capable to put in the cars... maybe in only two levels: loaded and full loaded of tech. 2 levels of tech, 2 prices. The rest of the customization is for the appearance.

Lincoln should try to make the things differently to open a space in the market for luxury cars.

LincolnFanFl
07-27-2015, 12:11 PM
With our morning commutes in the busy Tampa Bay area I figured I needed to take efficiency over performance. The worst I have gotten is 35.4 according to Fuelly. That's still a **** of a lot better than any of my previous cars. As long as I keep getting above 35 I will be happy. BTW did you notice each time you drive you get a trip summary? I took a short drive from one end of St. Pete to the other and got 45.2 MPG and over half of it was purely in EV mode. You are right it is like a different kind of fun specially the braking aspect. I tend to get upset if I get less than 90% :-(

Oh yes, the trip summary and the efficiency-leaves are fun as well.

When it comes to braking, I'm always anxiously looking at the rotating circle to see what I managed. 99 or 100% is quite satisfying...:thumb:

iculookn
07-27-2015, 12:15 PM
C&D normally gives Lincoln reviews a fairer chance compared to other auto websites but its hard to take them seriously when they complain about the grain of plastic in a cup holder.

Extreme4x4
07-27-2015, 06:59 PM
It is also hard to take any article on a Hybrid seriously, when they drive it like it is a performance car.................. then complain about the mileage.

The problem is, many luxury hybrids are not true economy vehicles. Their hybrid system is for performance. But, shouldn't any vehicle be tested for what it was built for?? This is akin to testers who are used to testing cars, testing a truck and complaining that it is too truck like. That happens all the time also.

We had the Hybrid on our Lincoln date night for 2 days. We ran it on our usual travel route, and added in more hilly, mountainous in town driving. When I brought it back, we were sitting right at 35mpg. I did not try to get better, but did find myself getting upset if I didn't do good on the brake efficiency. LOL Playing with the economy screens is a whole new type of fun. However, when setting the suspension on Sport, I was amazed at how great of a handler the car was, and then going to comfort on bad roads made a huge difference. That is part of what I fell in love with.

timf2001
07-28-2015, 09:31 AM
My hybrid averages in the low 40s during the summer and mid 30s during the winter. I certainly have no complaints on the fuel economy. My only regret with my lease coming due soon is Lincoln still doesn't have any other hybrids available (MKC or MKX please?) and I don't really want the same car for another two years.

http://badges.fuelly.com/images/sig-us/250671.png (http://www.fuelly.com/car/lincoln/mkz/2014/timf/250671)

Andrew L
07-28-2015, 10:06 AM
My hybrid averages in the low 40s during the summer and mid 30s during the winter. I certainly have no complaints on the fuel economy. My only regret with my lease coming due soon is Lincoln still doesn't have any other hybrids available (MKC or MKX please?) and I don't really want the same car for another two years.

http://badges.fuelly.com/images/sig-us/250671.png (http://www.fuelly.com/car/lincoln/mkz/2014/timf/250671)

Too bad it's coming up so soon, the refreshed MKZ should be shown next year that would be like a new car I am guessing.

I am a little lower than you but I have only had 3 fill ups so far (says 4 cause I put .1 for the first one to show how my first fill up went). I am waiting on the 4th but I have been stuck at a quarter of a tank for a while. I think it's been almost 3 weeks since I have filled up.

http://badges.fuelly.com/images/sig-us/371091.png (http://www.fuelly.com/car/lincoln/mkz/2013/andrew_l/371091)

ThomasWC
07-28-2015, 10:28 AM
^ With fuel mileage like that I might seriously consider the MKZ Hybrid as my next car. That's excellent considering the MKZ's size.

Andrew L
07-28-2015, 10:45 AM
^ With fuel mileage like that I might seriously consider the MKZ Hybrid as my next car. That's excellent considering the MKZ's size.

It's something to seriously consider. Even if you don't want to drop that much cash for a new one check out a CPO. I was on the fence for a new one before I bought mine, but the deal I got on mine as a CPO with only 11k miles was excellent I don't think I could beat that. Plus with a CPO you get a 6 year 100k mile warranty bumper to bumper and it even includes the hybrid batteries. I even got left over free maintenance from 2013 which is good for another year or so. You still get the same dealership perks too since its a CPO which includes a free loaner when ever you bring it in for service and a car wash.

LincolnFanFl
07-28-2015, 12:43 PM
Going CPO is certainly an option. Our first Lincoln (2009 MKZ) was a CPO as well - and a great value!

ThomasWC
07-28-2015, 03:52 PM
^ You guys have really given me something to think about. Of course I have to wait until the lease is up on my Lacrosse.

DetroitBORG
07-28-2015, 09:22 PM
I guess I don't understand the appeal of a Lincoln Hybrid, why buy a Lincoln if you're concerned about fuel costs? I've been meaning to ask this, ha.

2b2
07-28-2015, 09:30 PM
I guess I don't understand the appeal of a Lincoln Hybrid, why buy a Lincoln if you're concerned about fuel costs? I've been meaning to ask this, ha.
just-imhO

I would Never consider a New car without some kind of electrification
= Half of a Drivetrain to me!!**

& do NOT directly care about saving gas/oil/planet(in THIS case),
I want to put the OIL EXECS All Over The World OUT OF BUSINESS
(since guillotines/equivalents aren't legal yet)


** just realized I feel the same way about Tesla & other pure-BEVs

LincolnFanFl
07-28-2015, 09:49 PM
I guess I don't understand the appeal of a Lincoln Hybrid, why buy a Lincoln if you're concerned about fuel costs? I've been meaning to ask this, ha.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H27rfr59RiE

Now, seriously...I was simply attracted by the technology - and if I can save a few bucks on gas, I'll take that as a bonus!

2b2
07-28-2015, 10:13 PM
Now, seriously...I was simply attracted by the technology - and if I can save a few bucks on gas, I'll take that as a bonus!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBIps187MKk
http://home.surfree.com/~pauld/bliss.gif http://www.lincoln.com/resources/lincoln/futurevehicles/images/bl_logo.jpg http://home.surfree.com/~pauld/bliss.gif

timf2001
07-28-2015, 10:31 PM
Electrification is the future, and once you've driven a car on electric power it's hard to go back. I can't stand the inefficiency that comes with idling a gas engine in parking lots or at traffic lights, nor the obnoxious roar of a revving engine. Lincoln's hybrid drivetrain leaves a little to be desired, as you don't get the full benefit of instant torque when you floor it because the gas engine is designed to kick on as soon as you demand acceleration.

I've fully expected my next vehicle to be a Tesla for some time, but the repeated delays of Model X has left me considering alternatives so I'm not left without my own vehicle for an unknown period of months. As nice as the MKX and Black Label look, I find it difficult to get excited about them when it means being stuck depending on gas for another 2 years. Other hybrid alternatives are coming to the market in the near term but there's still nothing new from Ford, and the European brands don't appeal to me that much for the premium they demand. This is the first time I wish I could just keep my current car another 6 months with no questions asked.

2b2
07-28-2015, 10:47 PM
...you don't get the full benefit of instant torque when you floor it because the gas engine is designed to kick on as soon as you demand acceleration...
really?
afaik... on the 2 occasions I've driven regular-hybrids (a Fusion,2009 & a Z,2013) they accel'ed on just Electro - with the Z that I got to spent more time with, was able to detect (IF I tried hard enough) when the petrol-engine kicked in;
so I'm not positive

tho
agree they didn't have the slot-car-like accel of a Leaf or Volt

timf2001
07-28-2015, 11:58 PM
If I'm careful I can accelerate up to about 30 MPH without the engine kicking in, but it has to be done gradually. Any faster than that is an exercise in extreme patience to do anything but maintain speed or coast in EV mode.

LincolnFanFl
07-29-2015, 12:14 AM
Oh, another reason why I went with the Hybrid is convenience. The fact that you don't have to spend that much on gas goes along with the nice side-effect that you don't have to visit the gas-station that often. My mother drives the Hybrid mainly for her business and I fill up her tank every weekend. If she's pretty busy, a full tank of gas on the V6 simply didn't last an entire week so she already had to partially refuel it either on Thursday or Friday. That was pretty annoying. Now, this is not an issue any more and I can fill up the car once a week at our local gas-station.

Last week, she covered quite a distance and still had a quarter of the tank left.

Andrew L
07-29-2015, 01:22 AM
I guess I don't understand the appeal of a Lincoln Hybrid, why buy a Lincoln if you're concerned about fuel costs? I've been meaning to ask this, ha.

If am going to be driving something fuel efficient why not do it in style?

2b2
08-03-2015, 08:37 PM
(belated) trying to 'contain' my speculation....^ afaik, Job1 or even 1st-arrival-@-dealer is closer to 6 months than 12
edit: judging mainly from published charts&stuff

.
I'm just wondering(fixating) on the PBC page said "75th Anniversary'
imhO
it sounds like a special edition to me
( tho
no idea if it's
? tippy-top-end
? another theme**
? just different
? lower cost direct-MKS-replacement


**IF it's [BL], wonder if it'll be available on all other [BL]-models?????????
that^ sounds [b]likely to me :joyous: )

[Anniversary]
[ "75" ]
[ LXXV ]
http://home.surfree.com/~pauld/bliss.gif


re-re-edit
I don't believe it would a production-ized BLUE interior
imhO that could/oughta be
[ Rhapsody ]
so
if not BLUE
what would I/we want an [ LXXV ] theme to be??


wiki (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedding_anniversary): platinum, diamond, or jade
( tho wonder from others they list about a
Bird-of-Paradise, Opal, Rainbow theme ... just a bit of stitching
tho²
that brings up my old Rwd-White-&-Blue (piping) idea ... and could include something from the Conti MkII's star+knight logo )

Dequindre
08-03-2015, 08:42 PM
(belated) trying to 'contain' my speculation....
so
if not BLUE
what would I/we want an [ LXXV ] theme to be??

The 75th Anniversary is usually referred to as the Platinum Anniversary, so maybe the dash could be finished with some kind of platinum-colored finish where the concept's interior had chrome. It would also be possible to have platinum-colored leather seats surfaces with a different colored accent trim.

Andrew L
08-04-2015, 09:00 AM
^ Or maybe they can do another Diamond Jubilee Edition :-(

http://www.classiccarstodayonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/1978-Lincoln-Mark-V-DJ-blue-g.jpg

2b2
08-07-2015, 02:45 AM
I had a disappointing day and need to lift my spirits...

what would go with this upholstery that'd be exciting?
http://lincolnforums.com/lincoln-magazine/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/LincolnContinentalSeat_01_HR-825x510.jpg

anything?
"peaceful" is not what I want just now

if not:
http://assets.coolhunting.com/coolhunting/mt_asset_cache/2013/12/RollsRoyceGhost-2-thumb-620x380-72313.jpg
what about
something not utterly divergent bringing the exterior paint color inside?


&edit
just found a site with other RR stuff called
Notorious Luxury
http://www.fordinsidenews.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18706&stc=1&d=1438928608
http://www.fordinsidenews.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18714&stc=1&d=1438928617
larger & many more at site (https://notoriousluxury.wordpress.com/2015/05/01/2015-rolls-royce-phantom-limelight-collection-all-the-worlds-a-stage/)

2b2
08-29-2015, 05:36 PM
found an intriguing site for a little interior eye-candy/habañeros/wtf's

http://www.thehogring.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/The-Hog-Ring-Auto-Upholstery-News-Porsche-Infernus-700HP-3.jpg
the HogRing.com (http://www.thehogring.com/2014/04/18/carlex-design-overlapping-hexagon-pleats/)

deliberately not pictured here = a Goldfinger Aventador (http://www.thehogring.com/2014/04/11/check-out-whats-new-at-alea-leather/)
which I might actually like if it was 'aluminIum-silver'

2b2
10-31-2015, 06:35 PM
apparently I discovered the HogRing website (http://www.thehogring.com/) not long after it started
cuz they have lots more/regular postings including:

Maserati Revives Silk Car Interiors
Published by Nadeem Muaddi on October 16th, 2015 (http://www.thehogring.com/2015/10/16/maserati-revives-silk-car-interiors/)
http://www.fordinsidenews.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=21802&stc=1&d=1446327270http://www.fordinsidenews.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3194&d=1446327270
photo credit: TheDetroitBureau (http://www.thedetroitbureau.com/2015/06/maserati-hits-the-silk-trail-with-fashion-house-zegna/)
For decades, the only cars upholstered in silk were those designed for the showrooms, not the streets. After all, traditional silk is too delicate of a fabric to stand the normal wear and tear of everyday driving.

Maserati, however, claims to have solved that problem with a new silk that is both luxurious and durable...

...“Ermenegildo Zegna has taken silk, a natural material that is renowned for its soft and delicate nature, and developed it into a new form of silk that is suitable for car upholstery with its requirements for durability without losing any of silk’s intrinsic qualities,” explained Glen Sealy, chief operating officer of Maserati.

“This is little short of remarkable a feat of fabric engineering and on a par with the mechanical and design engineering that has gone into the Ghibli and Quattroporte cars into which it is tailored.”...

...Using conventional silk proved ineffective, the partners found after early testing. Using a series of devices meant to simulate what a seat goes through over a decade of life, the first fabrics supplied by Zegna lasted barely 10% as long as conventional automotive seating materials, like leather.

Zegna had to start experimenting with ways to make the material last longer...
...The final blend is several times heavier than the conventional silk used for Zegna’s clothing lines.

He promised that it will last as long as conventional interior materials, and noted it has stood up to torturous testing that includes heating the interior to near the boiling point, as well as cooling it to well into sub-zero temperatures, exposing it to massive amounts of UV lighting, and using the dummy butt test to simulate the wear and tear of having passengers regularly climb in and out of the vehicle. [more @ TheDetroitBureau (http://www.thedetroitbureau.com/2015/06/maserati-hits-the-silk-trail-with-fashion-house-zegna/)]

The new silk is currently only available in the color gray, and is being woven into the Quattroporte’s seats, headliner and door panels. Take a look for yourself:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1XNs-Lx19A

- - - - - - -
until other colors are available,
I'd combine it with (my usual reco's) silver-metalized and black patent Leathers
- - - - - - -

also...
is Lincoln's "Luxury SoftTouch" synthetic anything like:
Ferrari’s Faux Leather Better Than Real Leather?
Published by Nadeem Muaddi on September 23rd, 2015 (http://www.thehogring.com/2015/09/23/is-ferraris-faux-leather-better-than-real-leather/)
It’s practically unheard of that a super luxury automaker would upholster its interiors in faux leather — but that’s exactly what Ferrari is doing.
Mycro Prestige, the company’s very own synthetic leather, is even being marketed as an upgrade to the real thing...

2b2
11-20-2015, 03:36 PM
ALERT! ...imho if you totally LOVE a [BL] interior, Order it Now
imho Big Changes Coming ............... Extreme4x4

obsessing over the meager info on the "Z-seventeen"
got a strong feeling that
std interiors are re-aligning, somewhat toning down, and choices might be fewer
- ebony
- dk.natural ...combining & replacing both Hazelnut & Indulgence
- lt.natural attached ...combining & replacing Dune/Cappaccino & Oasis[BL]

[BL]² maybe just 3 (stronger) themes?
- Vineyard: deep red ...replacing CenterStage
- Chalet: white&black ...replacing ModernHeritage
- Thoroughbred: amber-tan

plus ContiConc theme[b]**
- blue

No idea of paint colors yet
&
only have pix for 3 (of a DOZEN?) wheels so far


** edit: thinking I'd like the Conti-theme MKZ to get the Conti's StarShadow grille-pattern instead of the Zinterpretation - then it'd be feasible for Zafficianados to retrofit it!

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2b2
12-21-2015, 12:14 AM
adding a request/suggestion/DEMAND for FLincMoCo to offer, along WITH the Rhapsody(in)Blue theme:
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[b]"SchlossSchwanStuchker"
to complement the beautiful form
with quilting up the wazzoo
(too hard to chop, so pix)
probably creamy-white
maybe with golden/toasty accents
most likely golden/toasty wood
maybe even in place of the Z17's metal concole treatment?


http://www.fordinsidenews.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=5353&stc=1&d=1450669169
http://www.fordinsidenews.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=5377&stc=1&d=1450669700
http://www.fordinsidenews.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=5361&stc=1&d=1450669188
http://www.thehogring.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/The-Hog-Ring-Auto-Upholstery-News-Aston-Martin-DB9-Equestrian-Edition.jpg
http://www.fordinsidenews.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=5369&stc=1&d=1450669188
http://www.fordinsidenews.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=5385&stc=1&d=1450669719
http://www.fordinsidenews.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=5345&stc=1&d=1450661494


otoh/over-the-top: 1 (http://www.thehogring.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/3.jpg) - 2 (http://www.thehogring.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/2.jpg) - 3 (http://www.thehogring.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/5.jpg)
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2b2
01-12-2016, 06:48 PM
Yep, that's Chalet.

I really like the seat perforations!

I'm liking the white/cream interior best, I take it that that is Chalet?

If I went with the BL it'd be that, then--I really like the perforations too. I just don't know if I can see myself driving a car that big.
I am extremely PLEASED that you guys like Chalet ... even relieved;
cuz...non[BL]...
http://www.lincoln.com/cmslibs/content/dam/brand_lincoln/en_us/continentalreveal/desktop/highlights/CTN_1_interior_1.jpg
I don't like the perforations, Greatly prefer the ^non[BL]^
(but
then
*I* am not a Lux customer...)
(( not personally over-joyed with the [BL] headrest emblem either ))
a nother thing
with the Rhapsody Blue interior,
(or any other blue interior)
I personally do NOT want every sq.inch of sureface other than trim to BE blue
chop maybe when I have "wa"

Dequindre
01-12-2016, 06:59 PM
Is Lincoln planning on changing the Black Label themes with every refresh and redesign? I kind of like the idea of rotating themes.

2b2
01-12-2016, 07:14 PM
Is Lincoln planning on changing the Black Label themes with every refresh and redesign? I kind of like the idea of rotating themes.
just-imho, DEQ
they're still experimenting
expect they'll eventually 'settle down' partly...(tho Agree with continuing to change = about as frequently as they change paint colors)...when/if any theme becomes as popular as "Ingot Silver"

2b2
01-12-2016, 10:20 PM
:nerd: ATTENTION NAIAS ATTENDEES :nerd:


Video Originally Posted by joseodiaga4 View Post
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Euc8c69hiw0



there's a bunch of Info on the walls
IF it's still there when You are http://home.surfree.com/~pauld/PIX.gifplease!
http://www.fordinsidenews.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6417&stc=1&d=1452649427

in the video we can see
Premiere = black, light (dunno if vinyl)
Select = black, light
Reserve = black, brown?, light, med(gray?)
= we heard 3, I can't tell from video

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[b][WhiteLabel] ...bespoke/WHAT/when... (http://www.fordinsidenews.com/forums/7-ford-inside-news-design-talent-center/16041-whitelabel-bespoke-what-when.html)
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rmc523
01-12-2016, 11:16 PM
Is Lincoln planning on changing the Black Label themes with every refresh and redesign? I kind of like the idea of rotating themes.

Well, what seems to be happening is that there's a few core ones that have been available on most of them (Modern Heritage, Center Stage, and I think a couple others) new and old, but then each new vehicle seems to add a new one. MKX added Thoroughbred, Conti adds Rhapsody, etc.

spudz64
01-13-2016, 07:22 PM
in the video we can see
Premiere = black, light (dunno if vinyl)
Select = black, light
Reserve = black, brown?, light, med(gray?)
[BL] = we heard 3, I can't tell from them
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I think the Continental will mirror the 2017 MKZ interior choices (non BL)
-Ebony
-Cappuccino
-Jade Gray
-Terracotta

spudz64
01-13-2016, 07:32 PM
Well, what seems to be happening is that there's a few core ones that have been available on most of them (Modern Heritage, Center Stage, and I think a couple others) new and old, but then each new vehicle seems to add a new one. MKX added Thoroughbred, Conti adds Rhapsody, etc.

It seems they might be reducing them to 3 Black Label themes now vs 4, based on the 2017 MKZ and Continental debuts. We'll have to wait and see what changes are planned for the 2017 MKC and MKX to see if so!

Oddly the non BL 2017 MKZ offers 4 interior colors(5 if you count the drivers package as unique too!) so maybe that's another trend.

spudz64
01-13-2016, 10:59 PM
is "Jade Gray" your own idea, Spudz, or have you heard something?!
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The 2017 MKZ mini site has the new interior colors listed actually!

marketandchurch
01-14-2016, 02:55 AM
Now that Lincoln has some of the best exterior designs in the industry, I'd love the Black Label interiors to become standard on the MKZ, MKC, MKX, and Continental, while only using the Black Label name on Lincoln's two flagships: The Continental and Navigator. The black label experience should be a $3,000-5,000 extra option for all Lincoln's, while the top-of-the-line Continental and Navigator will get it free, and Black Label should become beskope interiors similar to what you find in the Maybach S600, 7-Series Individual, and higher-end luxury cars. To do this, Lincoln should raise the base price of all of its models to afford having better interiors by $3,000-5,000k. I really don't see Acura or Infiniti or Jaguar or Cadillac or Buick or Genesis competing with Lincoln if Lincoln made this change, plus I think it would also greatly increase its share of conquest sales of former BMW, Audi, and Mercedes owners.

2b2
01-14-2016, 03:57 AM
no way I could find the info on Lincoln.com
but:
2017 Lincoln MKZ Preview
Ca.Autos.yhaoo.com
By jeff.youngs | J.D. Power and Associates – Wed, 18 Nov, 2015 10:34 PM EST (https://ca.autos.yahoo.com/news/2017-lincoln-mkz-preview-033453106.html)
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spudz64
01-14-2016, 08:22 AM
Here's a screen shot from the MKZ site, it's a sidebar panel with interior details...

2b2
01-15-2016, 02:12 AM
something I just learned has been going on for at least a couple years...

Tesla Stakeholders: End Use of Leather in Tesla Electric Cars,
Board Recommends Vote Against Proposal
TransportEvolved.com
By Nikki Gordon-Bloomfield • June 10, 2015
https://transportevolved.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Tesla-Model-X-interior-Preprod-580x387.jpg (https://transportevolved.com/2015/06/10/tesla-stakeholders-end-use-of-leather-in-tesla-electric-cars-board-recommends-vote-against-proposal/)
Producing only electric vehicles and with the majority of its facilities powered by renewable electricity harvested from photovoltaic solar panels or wind energy, Tesla Motors is unarguably the greenest, cleanest automaker in the world...

...But at Tesla’s Annual Shareholder Meeting at the Palo Alto Computer Museum in California yesterday, Tesla was called out by two stockholders — a husband and wife from Texas — for its use of animal leather in its luxury vehicles, a practice which many see as both unethical and environmentally irresponsible.

In keeping with official practice, both stockholders were given 3-minutes to make their case to the board and fellow stockholders for Tesla to cease using animal-dervied interiors in its vehicles before their proposals were put to a general vote. While we won’t hear the results of the vote for a few more days, Tesla’s board went on the record to vote against both proposals, one which focused on environmental reasons and one which focused on ethical reasons for dumping the use of real leather...

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long winded article from NYTimes about this...
sounds like it's already available (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/15/automobiles/from-tesla-a-new-car-smell-that-vegans-can-get-behind.html)
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