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: Mazdaspeed6 Takes Break in 2008-CX-9 to get 3.7L V6!


RG59061
07-24-2007, 02:12 PM
This just in on the news wires from Left Lane News.com,

The Mazdaspeed6 Sedan will go on hiatus in 2008 in preperation for the next generation Mazda6 and instead, Mazda will "shoe-horn" a 3.7 Liter V6 into the Seven Passanger Mazda CX-9 Crossover.

Here is the full release from Left Lane News.com (http://www.leftlanenews.com/mazdaspeed6-takes-a-break-for-08-cx-9-gets-37-v6.html):

http://images.leftlanenews.com/content/july2007/speed6.jpg
Mazdaspeed6 takes a break for '08; CX-9 gets 3.7 V6

Mazda will not sell its high-performance all-wheel-drive Mazdaspeed6 in 2008 as the automaker gears up for an all-new model. Mazda has also announced that it will be discontinuing the Mazda6 wagon, a unique vehicle in the North American market, for '08.

Unfortunately, there is no word yet on whether the wagon or Mazdaspeed6 will return. The performance version of the 6 hasn't seen the sales success that its little brother, the front-wheel-drive Mazdaspeed3, has seen. We aren't quite sure why, given the 'speed6's apparent value and sophistication.

The rest of the 6 lineup receives minor trim changes.

In other Mazda news, the new CX-9 crossover, which is based on the same CD3 platform as the 6, gets Ford's upgraded 3.7-liter V6 powertrain to replace its 3.5. We're afraid that Mazda might succumb to the same schedule of engine replacements as Ford: an all-new model gets an all-new engine for its second year of production. We gladly welcome the 10-hp boost to 273, but we wonder about the product planning logic.

Can't wait to see the new Mazda6, and once it is unveiled, I am sure the speculation of the next Mazdaspeed6 will begin! Also, must agree with Left Lane on this one, not sure about the rationale behind the bump in displacement, but there has to be some reason for this. Either way, more HP is more HP...right?

As Always...Stay Fabulous!
RG59061

wingsnut
07-24-2007, 02:59 PM
There will be no shoe-horning necessary. It is same dimensionally as the 3.5L

RG59061
07-24-2007, 03:20 PM
Sorry, meant to be a little sarcastic, but I just didn't word it properly or put it in quotations.

My attempt at a joke...and it failed.

As Always...Stay Fabulous!
RG59061

Mbukukanyau
07-24-2007, 11:12 PM
That would still be below GM's triplets which pump 275 Horses with a 3.6 V6, though the Cx 9 weighs slightly less. So, I'd say this would put them about par

wingsnut
07-25-2007, 12:36 AM
That would still be below GM's triplets which pump 275 Horses with a 3.6 V6, though the Cx 9 weighs slightly less. So, I'd say this would put them about par


The 3.7L will surely have more than 273HP.

Also, the GM 3.6L V6 uses dual VVT (4 cams are variable), where the current crop of Ford D35 engines uses only single VVT (2 cams). Plus too, Gm's V6 needs premium to get 275 HP.

Mbukukanyau
07-25-2007, 02:51 AM
The 3.7L will surely have more than 273HP.

Also, the GM 3.6L V6 uses dual VVT (4 cams are variable), where the current crop of Ford D35 engines uses only single VVT (2 cams). Plus too, Gm's V6 needs premium to get 275 HP.
According to Edmunds, the Outlook in cheaper, bigger and more economical, and tows more.. you get the picture, but this is about Engines, so, i will check on the high octane. All I am saying is that Japanese Ford could do better, or have domestics finally cought up?
Here is Edmunds comparo
http://photo.ringo.com/223/223972758O279019922.jpg
http://photo.ringo.com/223/223972789O159881748.jpg

The outlook fuel seems to be same as Cx-9, regular unleaded

wingsnut
07-25-2007, 08:31 AM
GM suggests premium for their HF V6 line. Anything less would of course compromise the rating.

I doubt you would feel those fex extra ponies, especially in the huge and heavy Outlook.

LincolnFan
07-25-2007, 09:49 AM
The Outlook beats the CX9 on all fronts... I never thought GM can do that..

The D35 in the Mazda gets horrid MPG.

wingsnut
07-25-2007, 10:21 AM
The Outlook beats the CX9 on all fronts... I never thought GM can do that..

The D35 in the Mazda gets horrid MPG.


Not quite!!! Sure, it trumps it in big SUV size and weight, certainly not in performance though. That Mazda interior looks much better as well.

Also, the CX-9 is first to use the new 3.7L D35 variant available in a couple months as a 2008 model, and HP has not been officially annouced. Here is more on it from Ford.


HIROSHIMA, Japan, July 25, 2007 -- Mazda Motor Corporation today announced that it has begun mixed-model production at its Ujina engine plant near Mazda’s headquarters in Hiroshima.

MZR engine The newly redesigned production line now produces both the new 3.7L V6 and the current in-line four-cylinder engines (1.8L-2.3L MZR engines). The 3.7L V6 will be used in the new 2008 CX-9, scheduled to go on sale in North America later this summer.

The production line was redesigned to accommodate "mixed model production," which aims to achieve both diversity and high efficiency by applying Mazda’s latest production and manufacturing technologies to various engine parts, including the cylinder block and head, crankshaft, camshaft and connecting rods, as they move along the line.

Specific jigs and tools that previously had to be changed for the different engines have been replaced with generic equipment. The result is a consolidated process that requires less investment in equipment and supports flexible production, which is a production method that supports efficient and fast changes in production model and volume.

"Achieving mixed model production for the V6 and in-line four cylinder gasoline engines at the Ujina plant is the first step toward volume and model mix flexible production, which lies at the heart of Mazda's concept of manufacturing innovation," said Masaharu Yamaki, Mazda's senior managing executive officer in charge of production and business logistics.

"Going forward, Mazda will progressively introduce the latest techniques to its facilities in Japan and overseas, as part of its manufacturing innovation. We will continue to support improvements in production that raise the brand value and enhance our business efficiency under the 'One Mazda' banner."

ndwariga
07-25-2007, 11:26 AM
I do not want to sound like I am not a Ford supporter, however, GM really did a great job with their triplets. I doubt any family would take either the CX-9 or the outlook for a track test, since most of the buyers will be soccer dads, and Moms,...
There is places where the GM twins shine, there is no doubt, but, the CX-9 does things only a Mazda can do well. It is a drivers CUV

RG59061
07-25-2007, 01:51 PM
Uh...Excuse me for stepping in here, but in reality, the Mazda CX-9 handily out perfomred the GMC Acadia (clone of the Saturn Outlook and Buick Enclave) and was even chosen over the new Acura MDX in a recent comparison by Motor Trend Magazine (http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/suvs/112_0706_acura_mdx_gmc_acadia_mazda_cx_9)!

Have a look for your self:

http://images.motortrend.com/features/consumer/112_0706_16z+2007_mazda_cx_9_awd+front_view.jpg

...Vehicles that excel in most criteria yet don't necessarily finish first in all of them tend to win comparison tests. The CX-9 is no exception. At the test track, the Mazda dispensed 0 to 60 in 8.1 seconds, the quarter mile in 16.3 at 85.3 mph, achieved lateral acceleration of 0.80 g, and stopped from 60 to 0 mph in 123 feet, placing it right between the Acura and the GMC. Most of those figures put the Mazda closer in performance to the GMC, but it was the Acura that the CX-9 felt more akin to. Carrying just 13 more pounds than the MDX, the CX-9 seemed equally nimble weaving through twisty roads, its low-profile Bridgestones, firm suspension, and tenacious all-wheel drive devouring curve after curve. Of course, tackling turns requires adept steering, and the Mazda's proved ideal, delivering light and rapid actions with supreme feel. The Acura may be quicker and more forgiving, the GMC cushier and more compliant, but the Mazda felt the most connected-to the driver and the road.

Certainly, it's hard not to feel connected when the CX-9 looks so alluring. Next to the snub-nosed, brutish Acadia, the Mazda appears downright stunning. In view of the edgy, ultramodern MDX, make that svelte. Inside, the CX-9 continues to strike the right balance between form and function. Ergonomics are generally excellent, although the audio controls are a bit of a reach and angled away from the driver. The materials aren't quite as luxurious as the Acura's or as hardnosed as the GMC's, but they're nevertheless rich and purposeful, making the cabin an appealing place to be. As for space, the Mazda, with its lengthy 113.2-inch wheelbase, provides ample third-row and cargo room, trailing only the cavernous GMC. And, unlike the Acura, which turns third-row access into a chore, the Mazda makes it a breeze, offering a second row that slides on both sides and thus leaves plenty of room-nearly 26 inches-through which to climb aboard.

The CX-9's Ford-sourced Duratec 35 V-6 churns out the least amount of oomph-263 horses and 249 pound-feet-but the refined, rev-happy mill still feels plenty adequate in this package, although we'd have welcomed a bit more low-end torque. Besides, the Aisin six-speed manumatic is so transparent in its shifts and intuitive in its operation that the engine never seems as if it were struggling. Trudging up a steep incline? No problem, the tranny would quickly drop a gear and hold it there until pressure on the throttle softened. Few automatics are this instinctive-we had little use for the manual feature.

Our $39,335 Grand Touring tester, replete with HID headlamps, heated mirrors, 20-inch alloys, leather seats, a Bose stereo, a backup camera, a power liftgate, and nav lacks only a DVD entertainment system to place it on par with the others (it's available if you can live without the moonroof), but the final tally still screams bargain versus those of the GMC and the Acura. Armed with driving dynamics that nearly match those of the MDX and space and utility that approaches that of the Acadia, all for substantially less money, makes the CX-9 the clear champ here. Grab the towels, we're done.


1st Place Mazda CX-9 Grand Touring AWD - The premium blend of performance, utility, and value.


2nd Place Acura MDX - The driving enthusiast's CUV, stalled only by a stiff price tag and a snug third row.


3rd Place GMC Acadia SLT AWD - The biggest and the roomiest...and the heaviest and the slowest.

I only use this comparison because of the Automotive Magazines, Motor Trend is still the most respectable and the most balanced in its reporting and critiquing of Automobiles.

As Always...Stay Fabulous!
RG59061

wingsnut
07-25-2007, 02:19 PM
Nice review for the CX-9.
It should shine even brighter with the 3.7L coming in a couple months. It will answer their request for a bit more low end torque.

LincolnFan
07-25-2007, 02:34 PM
The Duratec is revving happy right? Watch till they review it in a FLM vehicle.

"It's thrashy and has no ooomph feeling"

wingsnut
07-25-2007, 02:37 PM
The Duratec is revving happy right? Watch till they review it in a FLM vehicle.

"It's thrashy and has no ooomph feeling"

HUH???

Not according to all the reviews I have read and experienced personally.
Winning Wards Top-10 award is proof as well.

SobeSVT
07-25-2007, 02:41 PM
I do not want to sound like I am not a Ford supporter, however, GM really did a great job with their triplets. I doubt any family would take either the CX-9 or the outlook for a track test, since most of the buyers will be soccer dads, and Moms,...
There is places where the GM twins shine, there is no doubt, but, the CX-9 does things only a Mazda can do well. It is a drivers CUV
As per sales figures this GM triplets aren't shining at all.

Mbukukanyau
07-25-2007, 03:13 PM
As per sales figures this GM triplets aren't shining at all.That might change, I am seeing more and more of them. I find it funny that though we here are a website, we will not give GM a fair shake.
Those trucks are very very competitive. Definately bigger and not as nible as a a CX-9, but really, track times are not what a buyer looks for in this segment. The Enclave is waaay above Cx-9 and Outlook. Its not even fair to compare it to the Mazda, its not in the same class.
Its also selling very well, and do not be suprised to see the triplets surpass expectations in sales, this is only the first year