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2015my MKS Target [UPDATE] ....& electrificationing

Posted 05-16-2014 at 12:33 AM by

WHAT IF
they made an EB-PIH with the 2.3EB driving just the front wheels (300hp)
plus
the Focus Electric's 143hp (for the rear wheels) & 23kWh battery pack (est 60mile range in the MKS) that with the 6.6kWh charger can fully charge in 3.5hrs


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  1. Old Comment
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    (trying to recover pix that facebook stopped loading)
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    Posted 05-17-2014 at 08:54 PM by 2b2 2b2 is offline
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    in making a comparo-list of my MKSe "SuperEnergi" and previously specified MKE's, Energi & Electric;

    started to wonder if one reason FLincMoCo hasn't brought out an MKZ-ENergi is that they're already planning both the MKSe and MKE's??

    (which could be more ground-up engineered for electrification)
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    Posted 05-18-2014 at 07:00 PM by 2b2 2b2 is offline
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    exploring possible dimensions from regular MKZ on UP
    _ovl____wlb____w____ht________
    194.1 - 112.2 - 73.4 - 58.2 - MKZ
    197.1 - 115.2 - 73.5 - 58.2 - LWZC (Long Wlb MKZ for China)
    200.1 - 118.2 - 76.0 - 58.0 - MARK / MKS(wic)
    207.0 - 121.2 - 78.0 - 57.0 - Continental (Rwd, not on CD4+)
    ...basically just did plus3" for the wlbs
    ...then gave the Conti have the same size 'shadow' as the Navi


    2018:

    with platform-color-coding... @ facebook
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    Posted 05-21-2014 at 06:38 PM by 2b2 2b2 is offline
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    phase one: nextgen MKS(wic) becomes *The MARK*


    800x400
    on facebook
    since fb isn't working for me



    next hope to do one withOUT a grille *opening* for the "ev-MARK"
    (think I prefer switching the "ev" to the front of the Name)
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    Posted 05-23-2014 at 05:03 PM by 2b2 2b2 is offline
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    [partsbin sundae] for a quickiest 2015my MKSenergi

    if a Fwd-automatic-2.3EB isn't ready;
    there *is* the 240hp 2.0EB-auto in the MKC available as Fwd - maybe with the Focus-ST's 252hp tune?

    and for batteries, whichever is easier to fit:
    a pair of 7.6kWh from the C-Mx/FusionEnergis = 15.2kWh
    OR (my preference)
    23kWh from the FocusElectric. Would beat the ELR = 16.5kWh...

    ...be worthy of "TwinForce" with it's solo-capable petrol & BEV drivetrains
    plus contend with the power of the Tesla-S's 302hp - 362hp - 416hp

    trims:
    FREEDOM
    _(base)____$55k
    silver, black, "Guard"(subtle green) / hazelnut = 3 combos
    adaptive cruise & collision w/ brake support
    HD radio
    THX
    Nav***
    PREMIUM__________$60k
    adds
    +"PremiumWhite"* / +ivory = 8 combos
    dual-panel moonroof
    power-adj pedals w/ mem
    power rear sunshade
    rearview cam
    ELITE______________$65k
    adds
    +"EliteRed"**, +"EliteBlue"** / +ebony = 18 combos
    ?multi-contour frt seats? (and rearseats?)
    heated SW & rear seats
    park assist & BLIS
    lane departure / lane keep assist
    * ultra-pearl ___ **tintcoat-metallic

    very belated edit:
    forgot to point out that Navigation*** is STANDARD on ALL trims
    because it's used for tracking charge-points
    thus improving battery usage


    &
    just for comparo
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    Posted 05-25-2014 at 10:58 PM by 2b2 2b2 is offline
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    much rougher than I wanted but lost the right copy when almost finished. Frustration dictates...

    MKS(wic)MARK



    the only part of this that was fully intended from before starting,
    is the rear door glass = no little glass or plastic pieces yet 'rolls' down All the way;
    therefore the doors 'cut' into the C-pillar sheetmetal for easy access.
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    Posted 06-09-2014 at 08:19 PM by 2b2 2b2 is offline
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    ^ if I ever feel up to it
    for the Energi/BEV versions
    would add Tesla power-disappearing doorhandles & camera-winglets to replace the side mirrors (old rant)

    &

    just found today on facebook
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    Posted 06-11-2014 at 07:50 PM by 2b2 2b2 is offline
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    the "no CLA/flagship" thread started me wondering about the nextgen Taurus...
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by 2b2 View Comment
    exploring possible dimensions from regular MKZ on UP
    _ovl____wlb____w____ht________
    194.1 - 112.2 - 73.4 - 58.2 - MKZ
    197.1 - 115.2 - 73.5 - 58.2 - LWZC (Long Wlb MKZ for China)
    200.1 - 118.2 - 76.0 - 58.0 - MARK / MKS(wic)
    207.0 - 121.2 - 78.0 - 57.0 - Continental (Rwd, not on CD4+)
    ...basically just did plus3" for the wlbs
    ...then gave the Conti have the same size 'shadow' as the Navi
    _ovl____wlb____w____ht________
    194.1 - 112.2 - 73.4 - 58.2 - MKZ
    197.1 - 115.2 - 73.5 - 58.2 - LWZC (Long Wlb MKZ for China)
    199.9 - 115.2 - 75.0 - 58.0 - nextgen Taurus
    200.1 - 118.2 - 76.0 - 58.0 - MARK / MKS(wic)
    201.3 - 111.7 - 73.0 - 58.9 - 2015 Chevy Impala
    202.2 - 117.8 - 76.7 - 57.5 - 2014 Audi A8-L
    202.9 - 112.9 - 76.2 - 60.7 - 2014 Taurus (D3/4)
    205.6 - 112.9 - 75.9 - 61.6 - MKS
    also
    197.1 - 112.6 - 78.9 - 70.4 - 2014 Explorer (D3/4)
    199.9 - 115.2 - 76.0 - 70.0 - nextgen Explorer (& Galaxy?)
    200.1 - 118.2 - 77.0 - 69.0 - Aviator
    201.8 - 117.9 - 75.9 - 68.0 - Flex
    207.6 - 117.9 - 76.0 - 67.4 - MKT
    207.4 - 119.0 - 78.8 - 78.3 - 2015 Navigator

    this arrangement & pairings sound good to me
    might also consider a nextgen Flex to share the MARK & Aviator's wlb


    color-coded competitors
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    the 2018+ lineup is filling out nicely


    Aviator Sport & MKX Sport have 3" shorter wheelbases, lowered ride height, only most powerful drivetrains, and swoopier sheetmetal with shortest possible overhangs
    (edit:
    imho it'd be interesting if the 2 Sports had their own SHARED, exclusive frontend (grille, HLs, fascia) and TLs)
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    Posted 06-25-2014 at 01:36 AM by 2b2 2b2 is offline
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    saw a post @ BON by veteran-employee/poster theoldwizard
    about how the IntercepTaurus really needs more room
    &
    wondered about adding it to the MKS(wic)MARK's variant with its 3" longer wlb...

    ...Would that endanger the new Lincoln's reputation??
    even tho the copcar would use as much Taurus sheetmetal as feasible?


    from VinceBurlapp via mercury_1988

    and speaking of interior room & wheelbases ;
    if a 115.2" wlb can provide sufficient rear legroom for the (retail) Taurus
    (I've ridden in the MKZ's backseat &
    IMHO 2-or-3" more legroom would be AMPLE)
    perhaps for a 118.2" MKS(wic)MARK, the additional 3" can be "divied up"
    with a 1" forward move of the engine and 1" rearward move of the rearSEAT itself...
    ...leaving the door openings (structure) the same = $aving$**
    = some increased rear room, +
    = somewhat better weight balance
    ( 50%/50% "divi" is pure ballparking )

    ** afaik
    fenders, hood, rear-greenhouse need to be individual anyway
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    Posted 06-27-2014 at 01:24 AM by 2b2 2b2 is offline
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    crossreference:

    400hp 4(FOUR)cylinder "TripleForce" VirtualAwd Hybrid ... XC90!!



    note: "TripleForce" (my term) consists of
    -- turbo charger
    -- super charger
    -- electric drive
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    don't know how to Link blogs so
    #33 "big Lincolns theorizing"
    for
    relating the MKS(wic)MARK to the Continentals
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    Posted 08-09-2014 at 08:06 PM by 2b2 2b2 is offline
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    see how far I get with this....
    wic#1
    1150x575

    wic#2
    1150x575

    wic#3
    1150x575
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    Posted 08-13-2014 at 09:18 PM by 2b2 2b2 is offline
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    I jumped on the electro-rumor within Mission2020(or sooner),
    so figured I'd try to fill-in the other L-M e.models' drivetrains:

    _BEV______________PlugIn________________hybrid____ _______
    . ? ? ? . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ? ? ?. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ? ? ? . . . . . . . . . . . Navigator
    100kwh/400+HP . . . . 2.7EB+25,30kwh/378+143HPs. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Continental
    69kwh/300+HP . . . . . 2.0,2.3EB+23kwh/240,300+143HPs . . . . . . . . . . . . . MKS/MARK
    . .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ? ? ? . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2.3A+1.4kwh/200+HP . . MKZ
    30,45kwh/225-286hp . 1.5EB+15.2kwh/210+118HPs . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . MKE
    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.0EB+15.2kwh/140+118HPs . . 1.0EB+7.6kwh/140+70 "Mercurys"


    of course only the MKEs and "Mercs" will be on the C2e platform...
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    Posted 08-26-2014 at 04:27 AM by 2b2 2b2 is offline
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    semi-intended result: in 2 years ATP rises 50%...

    'splanation of turning the current MKS into the eMARK
    - immediately add a 2.0EB+23kWh PlugIn "SuperEnergi"
    - with the CD4+ platform, upgrade the PlugIn to 2.3EB
    - and offer a less-Lux base Sport, mainly for entry pricepoint
    - eventually discontinue the petrol-only versions in favor of a flagship Continental
    - 2tone pricing for the electric indicates possible 46 & 69kWh versions

    (the ////prices of the current-MKS, 2015 SuperEnergi, & 2016-7 Sport indicate
    - I don't know the exact top price of today's MKS &
    - fudging on the new versions' base prices - esp 1st year
    )


    update--------------------
    'built-my-own' current MKS
    with EVERYthing minus a couple doodads (floormats, smoker pkg, etc) it came to
    $55,114--

    so
    just imagining a [BlackLabel], might bring it quite near $60k

    (( just now wondered if all the doodads might be lumped into [BL] to
    -- 'flesh-out' [BL] as a more inclusive personalization program, & as
    -- a way to call attention to the vehicles being personalized/more-than-stock
    ? ))
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    Posted 08-28-2014 at 10:40 PM by 2b2 2b2 is offline
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    re-found this gorgeous chop by "Culong81" @ CarSpyShots
    "MKV"

    just-imho
    Audi cars provide the best (easiest?) chop donors for Lincolns
    BUT-then
    the current Lincoln styling direction imparts a distinct Jaguar flavor - imho
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    Posted 08-30-2014 at 04:51 PM by 2b2 2b2 is offline
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    Plug-ins, Spin Loss and Powertrains of the Future
    Autoline After Hours 255


    [video=youtube;4HJlkyLc1DQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HJlkyLc1DQ[/video]

    around 24:00 they touch on WHERE to put an electric motor withIN a drivetrain ( didn't catch anyone saying "Virtual-Awd" out: )

    and DubDub's e-Golf around 54:00


    (I've had to view this vid in stages - may have missed/forgotten a good deal)
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    Posted 09-05-2014 at 07:58 PM by 2b2 2b2 is offline
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    resurfaced

    old design center rendering on screen ....MKS(wic)MARK?
    found by Andrew: Lincoln Design Studio Opening, Jan 2013

    wondering if its reardoor window was in the back of my mind in insisting on a one-pane reardoor design...
    compare with chops above
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    Posted 09-06-2014 at 06:46 PM by 2b2 2b2 is offline
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    First/repeating... I think the stretched CD4+# platform has been CANCELLED
    perhaps a LongWlb MKZ for China will happen & IF it does
    a platform-mate Taurus might too
    so
    that'd mean the MKS(wic) would get an updated D3/4/4


    2nd... musing how Modes for a superEnergi

    would workout for HP**

    afaik the rear electrics only need Modes for battery-charge settings (above)
    not HP (143hp/107kW)

    **tho dunno how just the front wheels could ever fully use over 300hp...
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