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    Re: MkZ tested by Car and Driver

    Quote Originally Posted by ZanatWork View Post
    John Phillips' column has a pretty telling statement, which echoes what I've been saying (and which is likely getting me banned from BON): "I'm just worried that you guys euthanized Mercury so that Lincoln could become Mercury".

    Great, now I'm a freakin' prophet.
    That statement could be true. I've been also thinking that ever since Mercury's departure.

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    Re: MkZ tested by Car and Driver

    Quote Originally Posted by 2b2 View Post
    TY2, AM222

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    when moving beyond charts & numbers to words,
    imho the thoughts and feelings (& proclivities) of the reviewer come into it
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    I'm gonna "borrow" a post from MKII that's in a locked-thread elsewhere:

    English is my 1st language but could someone translate for me what this bit from this writer means............the MKZ never recedes far enough from a driver’s awareness to become secondary to the driving experience. That’s a necessity in the entry-luxury arena, even in the sportiest entries; to put it in cinematic terms, the car doesn’t generate a suspension of disbelief.

    imho
    that passage suggests (to me) that the reviewer doesn't really LIKE cars
    and resents being reminded he's IN one
    Actually, I think it's the other way around.
    The way I understand it, they are saying that the driving experience in the MKZ isn't special enough to stand out.
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    Re: MkZ tested by Car and Driver

    oops, missed this
    Quote Originally Posted by ZanatWork View Post
    John Phillips' column has a pretty telling statement, which echoes what I've been saying (and which is likely getting me banned from BON): "I'm just worried that you guys euthanized Mercury so that Lincoln could become Mercury".

    Great, now I'm a freakin' prophet.
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    Zan, do you have a link for that Phillips article?
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    Re: MkZ tested by Car and Driver

    Quote Originally Posted by AM222 View Post
    The way I understand it, they are saying that the driving experience in the MKZ isn't special enough to stand out.
    I'm already satisfied with the driving experience in my 2009 MKZ - so I'm sure I won't be disappointed.

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    Re: MkZ tested by Car and Driver

    Quote Originally Posted by AM222 View Post
    Actually, I think it's the other way around.
    The way I understand it, they are saying that the driving experience in the MKZ isn't special enough to stand out.
    So bottom line is the MKZ did not meet the writers fantasy, whatever his fantasy is, correct?
    If that is the case this writer should refrain from reviewing cars and hang out in SciFi cinemas I'd say.
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    Re: MkZ tested by Car and Driver

    Quote Originally Posted by MKII View Post
    So bottom line is the MKZ did not meet the writers fantasy, whatever his fantasy is, correct?
    That's pretty much the case.
    The fantasy? Well I guess the new MKZ was overhyped as something new and different, at the end it still uses the old "entry-level luxury sedan-based on a mainstream FWD family sedan formula".
    The new MKZ is a nice car, but this formula is more Mercury than Lincoln.
    I think a Lincoln needs to be extra special since it's supposed to be Ford's real full-on luxury brand.

    I guess part of the prestige of owning a luxury car is knowing that your $50K ride is not based on a $21K FWD sedan.
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    Re: MkZ tested by Car and Driver

    Quote Originally Posted by LincolnFanFl View Post
    I'm already satisfied with the driving experience in my 2009 MKZ - so I'm sure I won't be disappointed.
    And I think this is the real point, the vast majority will love the car. Just because writers, or enthusiasts (such as those who spend time on auto message boards) see the glass as half full, the reality is that most people who will be in the market for this type of car are neither, and they will likely be delighted by the new Z. Those of us who want a Lincoln that will go toe to toe with the big boys will be disappointed, but we're not really the target market, and that doesn't make this a bad entry level luxury car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SP1966 View Post
    And I think this is the real point, the vast majority will love the car. Just because writers, or enthusiasts (such as those who spend time on auto message boards) see the glass as half full, the reality is that most people who will be in the market for this type of car are neither, and they will likely be delighted by the new Z. Those of us who want a Lincoln that will go toe to toe with the big boys will be disappointed, but we're not really the target market, and that doesn't make this a bad entry level luxury car.
    I was hoping for better review of the Lincoln drive control. For someone like me.. and I am not alone on this, but current LS owners would LOVE to stay loyal to the brand but they don't offer anything that comes close to the driving dynamics of the LS. I was hoping that the 3.7 AWD with LDC would be great and then I could forgive the transverse mounted engine. Hearing reviews like this disappoints me.
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    Re: MkZ tested by Car and Driver

    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew L View Post
    I was hoping for better review of the Lincoln drive control. For someone like me.. and I am not alone on this, but current LS owners would LOVE to stay loyal to the brand but they don't offer anything that comes close to the driving dynamics of the LS. I was hoping that the 3.7 AWD with LDC would be great and then I could forgive the transverse mounted engine. Hearing reviews like this disappoints me.
    I agree with you. Yet I don't think you're their target market. If you are then all will agree they're doing it wrong. A great FWD platform will at best be comparable to an average RWD. Its unreasonable to expect otherwise.

    You need to look at dropping a 3.5eb into your LS!!

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    Re: MkZ tested by Car and Driver

    Quote Originally Posted by SP1966 View Post
    I agree with you. Yet I don't think you're their target market. If you are then all will agree they're doing it wrong. A great FWD platform will at best be comparable to an average RWD. Its unreasonable to expect otherwise.

    You need to look at dropping a 3.5eb into your LS!!
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