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Daimler, Bosch question Tesla's go-it-alone plan for German EV charging network
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Tesla says sales of its Model S have been hurt by Europe's limited charging infrastructure.

Daimler has joined German supplier Robert Bosch in questioning Tesla's decision to build a network of so-called "supercharger" stations in Germany that only cater to the U.S. electric carmaker's vehicles.

"The future [of an electric charging infrastructure] lies in standardization. As with gas stations, we need a charging system for all manufacturers, not least because it reduces the cost of the infrastructure, but it is also more convenient for customers," Thomas Weber, Daimler's r&d chief, told Automotive News Europe sister publication Automobilwoche.

In January, Tesla and German train operator Deutsche Bahn opened four charging stations between Munich in southern Germany and Cologne in the northeast of the country, enabling Tesla drivers to fast charge their batteries in about 30 minutes. The stations are part of network of 14 Tesla charging points across Europe.

Tesla says its Model S has a range of 500km, but the car's appeal with customers has been hurt by Europe's limited charging infrastructure.

Bosch CEO Volkmar Denner told Automobilewoche that it wouldn't make economic sense if every carmaker pursued its own charging system, adding that "the technology exists for a Europewide charging network, we just need to want to implement it."

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Daimler and rival BMW, which recently launched the i3 electric vehicle, have concentrated on offering small electric vehicles aimed at city commuters rather than vehicles intended for longer journeys.

Daimler makes the Smart ForTwo EV and the Mercedes-Benz B-class EV, which both use electric motors and batteries provided by Tesla, in which the German carmaker holds a 4.3 percent stake.

Tesla aims to expand its German charging network this year to allow drivers to reach destinations in half of Germany, a spokeswoman for the company said in January.

Germany, Europe's biggest car market, has set itself the ambitious target of having 1 million electric cars on its roads by 2020, but some in the industry say more should be done to attract buyers to zero-emission vehicles such as providing a cash incentive similar to those offered in other European countries including the UK and France.

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just-imho this sounds a bit like Dailer wanting Tesla to build "filling-stations" for their vehicles - now that's chutzpah

Tesla oughta say "Build your own"
o'course first the Germans have to bring out electrics that people want to drive farther than the nearest hofbräu

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^...yeah, it seems until an automaker has an EV with 300 miles, a charging station along the freeway won't be necessary. Even Tesla cars don't 'need' a supercharger on off the freeway. Most just use it because they can and it's FREE. Right now it's a toy and a fun thing to do when you got :30 extra minutes to spare. Since you can charge more conveniently at home.

80 miles EVs are good for work-home-work daily commuting for most. Some may need to use Workplace Charging for the home trip.

But when the next gen of 160-200 mile EVs hit the market starting in 2015/16, there will be even less of a need for a public charger, as all daily commuting and weekend errands, etc can be done under 200 miles. With full charge at home, at night, at the cheapest rates while you sleep.

But it seems in about 3-5 years when automakers have 300+ mile EVs, then more off interstate charging will be necessary. But Tesla already stated other automakers can use their charging stations, but they need to invest in the system. Clearly, when there is critical mass, Tesla will install the SAE Combo Charger plug for others to use at a price. Someone has to pay for the system, it can't go on being free/at a loss for long.
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A Tesla can be charged with a common EV charger. Supercharger stations are just for Tesla, is there anything wrong with this?? You want to use our facilities? Then buy Tesla, plain and simple!
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^ yup!

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^...yeah, it seems until an automaker has an EV with 300 miles, a charging station along the freeway won't be necessary. Even Tesla cars don't 'need' a supercharger on off the freeway. Most just use it because they can and it's FREE. Right now it's a toy and a fun thing to do when you got :30 extra minutes to spare. Since you can charge more conveniently at home...

...But it seems in about 3-5 years when automakers have 300+ mile EVs, then more off interstate charging will be necessary. But Tesla already stated other automakers can use their charging stations, but they need to invest in the system. Clearly, when there is critical mass, Tesla will install the SAE Combo Charger plug for others to use at a price. Someone has to pay for the system, it can't go on being free/at a loss for long.
I'm kinda thinking Tesla can do that 300+mile version already...
-- since I've read their middle- 85kWh -model can do 250 realworld-miles
-- the new smaller car is soonish

& maybe cuz I live "off the main drag" (+ some EV owner convos)
it's good to have interstate charging for those who live one-full-charge away from it

(still think resort from-to major city is a good "location" site too)

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...the technology exists for a Europewide charging network, we just need to want to implement it...
Ummm, apparently Tesla DOES want to implement it, they just want to favour their cars and their technology. What are they supposed to do, sit and wait until someone else decides to invest in electric charging stations? No one said leading is easy, but Tesla knows exactly what they have to do to make their cars a success, and I applaud them for it.

The only thing I hope, and it appears to be the case, is that at some point other electric cars will be able to adapt to the Tesla chargers. If they are truly only 100% Tesla-compatible and not adaptable at all I found find that rather short thinking on Teslas part. They should think long term, where they could eventually make money at their charging stations by making non-Tesla vehicles pay to charge.



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