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Yeah I'd like to see the Navi with a good bit more power than the Expedition. I know it has more now, but the more the merrier. Plus I really expect Lincoln to get a V8 within the next few years, something based off the 3.0T of about 4 liters in displacement.
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In thinking about the new Navigator, I’ve come to 3 scenarios to ponder in its redesign...

  • Follows current path of being same body as Expedition but different nose and unique interior.
  • Follows similar path of Ford Escape/Mazda Tribute, where it shares same glass, door openings as Expedition but with unique surface sheet metal.
  • Follows path of all recent new Lincolns, with completely unique sheet metal, glass, and roofline.
Obviously, scenario C is the best of all! Imagine the impact of Lincoln having a totally unique large SUV compared to the Ford, whereas Cadillac still uses the basic Chevy Tahoe for their flagship!

As for looks, since the same basic shape has been on the market since 1997 or so, I doubt they will make much of an effort to make the all new model look anything like the current model. The question really is how will they translate the newest Lincoln design cues…I doubt it will be soft looking like the MKC/MKX, right?


I expect the integrated electric door handles will be used, since this is a very unique Lincoln design cue.


One far out idea is, what if they incorporate suicide doors on the new Navigator?!?
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...I really expect Lincoln to get a V8 within the next few years, something based off the 3.0T of about 4 liters in displacement.
new v8 asap/while still legal = YES, but please no 60 v8s

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^ "good for 450/450" ...AT LEAST
imho a Suv can get away with a bit more 'sport', less stump-pulling, than the F-150...
500hp would be a 'nice' Navi
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a Conti 3.5T (if/ever) oughta be ~550hp = halfway from Raptor's 450 to GT's 650
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In thinking about the new Navigator, Ive come to 3 scenarios to ponder in its redesign...

  • Follows current path of being same body as Expedition but different nose and unique interior.
  • Follows similar path of Ford Escape/MazdaTribute, where it shares same glass, door openings as Expedition but with unique surface sheet metal.
  • Follows path of all recent new Lincolns, withcompletely unique sheetmetal, glass, and roofline.

Obviously, scenario C is the best of all! Imagine the impact of Lincoln having a totally unique large SUV compared to the Ford, whereas Cadillac still uses the basic Chevy Tahoe for their flagship!

As for looks, since the same basic shape has been on the market since 1997 or so, I doubt they will make much of an effort to make the all new model look anything like the current model. The question really is how will they translate the newest Lincoln design cuesI doubt it will be soft looking like the MKC/MKX, right? I expect the integrated electric door handleswill be used, since this is a very unique Lincoln design cue. One far out ideais, what if they incorporate suicide doors on the new Navigator?!?

From what I've been able to gather, it's honestly somewhere between your B an C scenario.

I know nothing about the concept for what its worth.
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new v8 asap/while still legal = YES, but please no 60 v8s

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500hp would be a 'nice' Navi
The number envy is ridiculous around here!

If a new, significantly lighter Navigator is anywhere near 450/450 in top trim that'll be enough for 99.9% of buyers in that segment. There comes a point where mo'power isn't necessarily mo'better!

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This right here is absurd. There is nothing about the Continental that says high performance, zip, zero, nada, by design. CD4 was not designed to accept the 3.5EB/T so the Continental will not get that engine. CD4 was also not designed to be a high performance platform, and Continental will not be either.

It is simply insane that we've come to believe that 400/400 is somehow only reasonable as an entry level. That kind of power, with the EBs low end power delivery will make the CD4 based Continental very quick, it'll have way more than enough roll on power for passing, it'll be fast, it'll be downright fun to drive, but it will not now, not ever, be a performance sedan.

Let's have us a little perspective here people, just because you can build a 500+HP engine doesn't mean you need that much in every application. There may come a day when the Lincoln brand can support such a vehicle, today is not that day, nor will tomorrow be.
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But we need 500hp to make America great again
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Yeah I'd like to see the Navi with a good bit more power than the Expedition. I know it has more now, but the more the merrier. Plus I really expect Lincoln to get a V8 within the next few years, something based off the 3.0T of about 4 liters in displacement.
Our brand champion was told in Detroit last year that Lincoln has no plan to ever have a V8 in a vehicle again.
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...It is simply insane that we've come to believe that 400/400 is somehow only reasonable as an entry level...
...Let's have us a little perspective here people...
as little perspective as possible!
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Re: Lincoln: 2016 New York Auto Show

People still want and expect very powerful offerings in these big luxury SUVs. They need to offer a powerful V8 as an option, if they want Navigator to be highly desirable again. Ideally, it needs to have somewhere between 575-hp to 625-hp.
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