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...imho, the 9-speed should accompany ANY change to the X...
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...I think whether they debut both at the same show will depend on what they have in the pipeline for the rest of the show season. If they have a surprise concept (say next-gen MKZ or Aviator), then we'll likely see them both at LA. But if they don't have anything else slated, I think we'll see them debut at separate shows, just to keep some launch momentum going through multiple shows.
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*IF* they show both at L.A, they should have somethin else later, like NYC
*IF* they show only One at L.A, we might get ONLY one other later
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It does seem strange at first, but with MKC's only lasting a year and a half, they likely determined it wasn't worth the investment of (or that the refresh was substantial enough to warrant) changing its name...
...I don't understand why Lincoln paraded out the "11.28.17" date on that teaser video, yet it's 1:20pm and it hasn't been released yet.
imho, FLincmoco has a "learning disability" re: language & its use = Names
not telling time/date is more arithmetically-challenged
(tho my puter tells me it's STILL 11/28/2017)

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Based only on the Autoblog photo spread, a couple of observations/worries about the refreshed X (coming from a 2-time '16 MKX owner).
- No 3.0T
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- Climate controls weren't updated ala MKZ
- For some reason the turbine-style wheels look a little small (are they 20s?) - I think the 21" painted wheels look fantastic on the current X.

The switch in the cruise control bank - with the little steering wheel between two lines - what is it for?

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swiped from AutomotiveNews, Micheal Martinez on The Twit
proving what was draped in the 'garden'

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& from Lincoln's Owner Lounge:

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$100K Saleen S1 Bows, Without The Expected Ford Powerplant
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— Aaron Brzozowski — Nov 30, 2017

At the 2017 LA Auto Show, Saleen Automotive unveiled its latest creation in a long line of high-performance automobiles: the Saleen S1. The new supercar utilizes an aluminum chassis with a body made of carbon-fiber, lending it an impressive 2,685-pound curb weight, and a rear-mid-engine/rear-wheel-drive layout. A 3.5-second 0-to-60-mph sprint is claimed, as is a 180-mph top speed, and 1.2 g of cornering grip.

Just about the only thing missing is Ford power.

Earlier this month, AutoGuide reported on the Saleen S1, stating that the $100k supercar would likely make use of Ford’s 2.3L EcoBoost I4, albeit tuned up to 450 horsepower and 425 lb-ft of torque. As it turns out, Saleen decided instead to design the S1’s turbocharged, four-cylinder engine in-house so that the company could “have more control” over its characteristics, company founder Steve Saleen says.

The Saleen-designed, turbocharged inline-four displaces 2.5 liters, producing the expected 450 horsepower, but with only 350 lb-ft of torque. Thrust is sent to the road through a 6-speed manual transmission – with a dual-clutch option planned for a later date – and a set of 20-inch alloy wheels wearing Continental ExtremeContact Sport rubber.

The Saleen S1 was designed as a relatively-low-priced supercar in the hopes that the company could produce and sell a large number of them worldwide. Steve Saleen says he expects the company will be able to ship 1,500 to 2,000 examples per year in the US, with a similar quantity in Europe, and a “substantial” number in China.


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Designed and built in the U.S., the first deliveries start in summer 2018

Jake Holmes, Senior Editor , Nov 30, 2017


Saleen Automotive is back with a new supercar, and this time it’s an all-new design that will be somewhat affordable. Priced at $100,000, the 2018 Saleen S1 makes its debut today at the Los Angeles Auto Show, with the first customers deliveries scheduled for “late summer” 2018.

The small, striking car was all designed in-house in the U.S., with a carbon fiber body laid over an aluminum chassis to keep weight to 2,685 pounds (1,218 kilograms). The bodywork was all designed with aerodynamic function first, company founder Steve Saleen said. It’s a pretty design, with graceful curves and an upswept tail, center-exit exhausts, and giant brakes hiding behind 20-inch wheels.

The two-seater, mid-engine car packs a turbocharged 2.5-liter inline-four engine that was developed by Saleen. With 450 horsepower (336 kilowatts) and 350 pound-feet (474 Newton-meters) of torque, it’ll get to 60 miles per hour in a claimed 3.5 seconds and through the quarter-mile in 11.3 seconds. The top speed is claimed at 180 mph, and Saleen says the S1 pulls 1.2 g of cornering grip on a skidpad, thanks in part to its Continental ExtremeContact Sport tires.

The launch transmission is a six-speed manual, but Saleen says that the company will launch a paddle-shifter dual-clutch option “at some point.”

Inside the car, the simple dashboard consists of a digital instrument cluster behind the small, three-spoke steering wheel, with a secondary infotainment system on the center stack.

On the sidelines of the car’s debut, Steve Saleen said that the reason he wanted to make a more affordable supercar was that it will allow for greater sales and production volumes. He expects to build 1,500-2,000 S1s per year for the U.S., with a similar number for Europe and a “substantial” number for China. Interested customers can place a $1,000 deposit starting today.

The company is in the process of establishing a dealer network, and Saleen says he hopes to have 50 showrooms in the U.S. initially – though he says not every state would receive a showroom.

Though the S1 had been rumored to use an engine sourced from another manufacturer, Saleen says that developing it in-house was a no-brainer because, “you have more control” over its engineering.

Saleen Automotive is now part of Jiangsu Saleen Automotive Technologies Group (JSAT), a Chinese company opening an automotive plant two hours north of Shanghai that is planned to build, “an entirely new line of Saleen vehicles.”

The project to launch the S1 actually began three years ago, when Saleen considered redeveloping the remnants of an Artega sports car (the defunct car company filed for bankruptcy in 2012 and was purchased by JSAT.) But Saleen said that making the car meet modern regulations would have been too difficult, so his company decided to start on a brand-new, ground-up model. The S1, he says, meets all crash and safety regulations in North America, China, and Europe.
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So Saleen is the new Lotus! I like it, but you would think from a parts and servicing standpoint it would have made a lot more sense to use an engine/trans from an existing mainstream brand.
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shall we hate Motor1? ...or pity them??

We pick the best and worst things we saw here in L.A.
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Hit: Small Crossovers
It’s no secret that entry-level CUVs are easy wins for automakers these days – this is one of the hottest segments in the market. We saw a number of new ones debut here in Los Angeles, and there isn’t a bad one among them. Nissan brings the Kicks over from other markets to offer a more mainstream-looking replacement for the Juke. Hyundai’s Kona offers turbo power and funky style. The Volvo XC40 takes all the things we love about the Swedish automaker’s design and packs it in a tiny-tough package. Toyota even showed us the weird FT-AC concept, with adventure in mind. Keep ‘em coming, folks.

Miss: 2019 Lincoln Nautilus
Lincoln announced it’ll be transitioning back to real names instead of alphanumeric nomenclature. At the LA Auto Show, Lincoln presented a new one: Nautilus. But it’s not a new vehicle. It’s barely even a mid-cycle refresh. It’s the MKX crossover with a new nose – that’s it. Launching a new vehicle with a new nameplate gives you the opportunity to make a big splash. But with the MKX-to-Nautilus transition, we might just be hearing a lot of, “Wait, what’s that one called again?” And wasn’t that the problem in the first place?
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We pick the best and worst things we saw here in L.A.
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Hit: Small Crossovers
It’s no secret that entry-level CUVs are easy wins for automakers these days – this is one of the hottest segments in the market. We saw a number of new ones debut here in Los Angeles, and there isn’t a bad one among them. Nissan brings the Kicks over from other markets to offer a more mainstream-looking replacement for the Juke. Hyundai’s Kona offers turbo power and funky style. The Volvo XC40 takes all the things we love about the Swedish automaker’s design and packs it in a tiny-tough package. Toyota even showed us the weird FT-AC concept, with adventure in mind. Keep ‘em coming, folks.

Miss: 2019 Lincoln Nautilus
Lincoln announced it’ll be transitioning back to real names instead of alphanumeric nomenclature. At the LA Auto Show, Lincoln presented a new one: Nautilus. But it’s not a new vehicle. It’s barely even a mid-cycle refresh. It’s the MKX crossover with a new nose – that’s it. Launching a new vehicle with a new nameplate gives you the opportunity to make a big splash. But with the MKX-to-Nautilus transition, we might just be hearing a lot of, “Wait, what’s that one called again?” And wasn’t that the problem in the first place?
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They're the ONLY source (aside from Pioneer over at BOF) that I've seen have a negative response to the name/change to a name.

And "wait, what's that one called again?" Really? They must be pretty stupid if they can't figure out which one is called Nautilus.
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Nissan's new Kicks is aimed directly at the EcoSport, both small CUVs were developed with Brazil as their primary market.
The Kicks seems a bit more car-like though with its lower ride height/ground clearance.

Less funky/weird than the Juke but more practical.

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I wonder which will do better between the Kicks and EcoSport.

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Whyd they have to call it "KickS". That extra S drives me nuts.

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