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...that is definitely AN opinion. However, it would be foolish to dismiss a vehicle whose sales run laps around your in-house luxury brand. I mean, you can stand around fiddling while Rome burns, or you can grab a bucket and get to work. Ford has spent an inordinate amount of time fiddling, and not enough time working. Admittedly, the Aviator is a masterful vehicle, but imagine how much better with an all EV 150kWh battery, like a Rivian. I mean, if Rivian starts smashing your top-flight Navi in sales in 2 years time, you might take a second look at your product planning. Jessayin'.
Great advice.
Maybe Ford might start considering electric vehicles one day.
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https://www.carscoops.com/2018/12/tr...cross-america/


Why Are Truck Owners Blocking Tesla Superchargers Across America?

"...Unsurprisingly, the trucks appear to be owned by young males who were yelling F**k Tesla.




Is a pity that I'm not living in USA and I dont have a pick up truck!




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Why Are Truck Owners Blocking Tesla Superchargers Across America?

"...Unsurprisingly, the trucks appear to be owned by young males who were yelling F**k Tesla.




Is a pity that I'm not living in USA and I dont have a pick up truck!




Seems a little idiotic!

The Chevy with the hood up is priceless though!
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Sorry, but those asshats are as stupid as the "roll coal" paste-eaters.

Too much inter-sibling romance, I'm thinking.
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https://www.foxbusiness.com/luxury/t...dit-next-month

Shame about the tax credit, but this was interesting......

The Model 3 was intended as a way to bring the luxury electric vehicle to the average consumer. Musk promised to deliver a $35,000 version of the car, but the entrepreneur acknowledged that isn’t possible for Tesla just yet. In October, Musk announced a $45,000 Model 3.

Musk said on Twitter in May that if the company had shipped the $35,000 version right away, Tesla would “lose money [and] die.”




Tesla is that frail?
What happens when they are not the only EV car maker on the market I wonder?
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Shame about the tax credit, but this was interesting......

The Model 3 was intended as a way to bring the luxury electric vehicle to the average consumer. Musk promised to deliver a $35,000 version of the car, but the entrepreneur acknowledged that isn’t possible for Tesla just yet. In October, Musk announced a $45,000 Model 3.

Musk said on Twitter in May that if the company had shipped the $35,000 version right away, Tesla would “lose money [and] die.”




Tesla is that frail?
What happens when they are not the only EV car maker on the market I wonder?

...maybe one day we will know. I'd wager Tesla is building the Model 3 in China before Ford delivers its first real EV (and they just broke ground this month). In other news, Porsche's 2+2 Taycan will be starting at $90k for the RWD model. Probably $99k for the dual motor, and $130k for the performance model. I'd imagine M-Bs EQC comes in at $80-100k. Add that the I-Pace and e-tron are both $70-90k models, for vehicles in the Model 3 size range, it looks like Tesla has a cost advantage, currently.

I really do hope Ford shows theirs soon. They could be very competitive with an e-tron GT sized vehicle in the $60k range.
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...maybe one day we will know. I'd wager Tesla is building the Model 3 in China before Ford delivers its first real EV (and they just broke ground this month). In other news, Porsche's 2+2 Taycan will be starting at $90k for the RWD model. Probably $99k for the dual motor, and $130k for the performance model. I'd imagine M-Bs EQC comes in at $80-100k. Add that the I-Pace and e-tron are both $70-90k models, for vehicles in the Model 3 size range, it looks like Tesla has a cost advantage, currently.

I really do hope Ford shows theirs soon. They could be very competitive with an e-tron GT sized vehicle in the $60k range.
Ford has been selling 'real' BEV's for nearly a decade.
Try again.

Having a dedicated platform with a massive battery that costs far more, does not make it 'real.'
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Ford has been selling 'real' BEV's for nearly a decade.
Try again.

Having a dedicated platform with a massive battery that costs far more, does not make it 'real.'
No they haven't. No matter how much you claim a 24-33kwh converted Focus with a raised hatch floor that looks like it was built by a 3rd party conversion is a real BEV, it is not. A real BEV is built with all the advantages of the platform, low cg, improved packaging removing the necessity of FWD, highlighting the instant torque, and easy application of through the road AWD.

Please, for the love of all that is holy, have something to show at Detroit on the EV front.
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No they haven't. No matter how much you claim a 24-33kwh converted Focus with a raised hatch floor that looks like it was built by a 3rd party conversion is a real BEV, it is not. A real BEV is built with all the advantages of the platform, low cg, improved packaging removing the necessity of FWD, highlighting the instant torque, and easy application of through the road AWD.

Please, for the love of all that is holy, have something to show at Detroit on the EV front.
The fracking car was plug in ONLY and no fracking ICE.
You are wrong.
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...maybe one day we will know. I'd wager Tesla is building the Model 3 in China before Ford delivers its first real EV (and they just broke ground this month). In other news, Porsche's 2+2 Taycan will be starting at $90k for the RWD model. Probably $99k for the dual motor, and $130k for the performance model. I'd imagine M-Bs EQC comes in at $80-100k. Add that the I-Pace and e-tron are both $70-90k models, for vehicles in the Model 3 size range, it looks like Tesla has a cost advantage, currently.

I really do hope Ford shows theirs soon. They could be very competitive with an e-tron GT sized vehicle in the $60k range.
You are trying to compare the excellence of Porsche and Mercedes-Benz with the mediocrity of Tesla? Yes. Mediocrity. A good power plant in a very bad vehicle with a bad assembly quality. That is Tesla.

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