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not quite-new & didn't read the whole thing - yet - but...

Are you safer in a Tesla on autopilot, as Elon Musk says? Let’s do the math.
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By Mark Palko - October 7, 2016


...Many journalists are missing the statistical context
There is a much deeper issue here than just another case of bad statistics in a news story. Since well before the accident, transportation researchers, statisticians, and traffic safety experts have been pointing out that the mile-to-mile comparisons reported by companies like Tesla and Google are not valid and that the data collected did not support the conclusions the companies were drawing. Most journalists have failed to report this essential context.

Journalists have never been more eager to throw statistics at their readers. But data without proper statistical context can mislead as often as it informs. Along similar lines, stories on science and technology are fatally incomplete unless they put the new findings in the larger context of existing research and let the readers know the consensus opinions of scientists in that field.

There is more to doing the math than just reporting the numbers.
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In reply to the "Tesla able to save South Australia's energy woes", Journo Mike Sinclair tweeted the following:
@mcannonbrookes you've fixed SA's power now convince @elonmusk to build @TeslaMotors #Model3 at Elizabeth. @holden_aus will deal

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1- at least SOMEbody has an idea for Holden
2- imho Elon might have his pick of GM-or-Ford factories...


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Tesla's Musk offers to fix South Australia's power crisis in 100 days
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By Sonali Paul | MELBOURNE


Tesla Inc boss Elon Musk on Friday offered to save Australia's most renewable-energy dependent state from blackouts by installing $25 million worth of battery storage within 100 days, and offering it for free if he missed the target.

The offer follows a string of power outages in the state of South Australia, including a blackout that left industry crippled for up to two weeks and stoked fears of more outages across the national electricity market due to tight supplies.

Musk made the offer on social media, and the government said it could consider backing such a battery roll out by Tesla.

"The government stands ready through ARENA and the CEFC to work with companies with serious proposals to support the deployment of more storage," Environment and Energy Minister Josh Frydenberg said in an email to Reuters.

ARENA is the Australian Renewable Energy Agency and the CEFC is the Clean Energy Finance Corp.

Musk made the offer in response to a comment on social media by Mike Cannon-Brookes, the co-founder of Australian software maker Atlassian Corp, who said he would be willing to line up funding and political support if Tesla could supply batteries that would solve South Australia's problems.

100-DAY GUARANTEE
Musk responded by tweeting: "Tesla will get the system installed and working 100 days from contract signature or it is free. That serious enough for you?"

He quoted a price of $250 per kilowatt hour for 100 megawatt hour systems, which would imply a price of $25 million for the battery packs.

"You're on mate. Give me 7 days to try and sort out politics & funding," tweeted Cannon-Brookes.

He said he was inundated with calls on Friday after the exchange and was eager to get the plan off the ground.

"My phone hasn't stopped buzzing. The support is flooding in, both from individuals in terms of '**** yes!' and from corporates who are asking: 'Can we buy power? Can we contribute dollars?'," Cannon-Brookes told Reuters.

Tesla launched its Powerwall 2 in Australia, the world's top market for rooftop solar, this week. Battery storage is just one of several options the government is looking at to help ensure reliable power supplies as the country grows more reliant on intermittent wind and solar power.

"We have been talking with a number of large-scale battery providers about potential storage solutions, including in South Australia. To the extent Tesla is interested, we'll also talk with them," Clean Energy Finance Corp Chief Executive Oliver Yates said in an emailed statement.

After a record-breaking summer, Australia's energy market operator said this week that eastern Australia desperately needed more gas for power stations within the next two years to provide back-up electricity for wind and solar and avert blackouts.

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Ubiquitous, and easily shaded by the up and coming Lucid Air.


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Tesla is discontinuing its least expensive Model S (again**)
with 60 kWh battery pack next month

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Fred Lambert - Mar. 17th 2017


Electrek has learned that Tesla is planning to discontinue the least expensive versions of the Model S next month. Today, Tesla started sending out emails to warn potential buyers who have shown interest in the vehicles that the change is coming and Electrek confirmed the news with Tesla.

April 16th, 2017 will be the last day to order the Model S 60 and 60D. The vehicles were the least expensive models that customers could purchase from Tesla – starting at $68,000.

The Model S 60 and 60D were equipped with 75 kWh battery packs software-locked to 60 kWh. Owners were able to unlock the remaining 15 kWh through a software update for a fee at any time after the purchase if they decided that they wanted more capacity.

Tesla says that they are making the change because most customers ultimately end up upgrading to 75 kWh and they want to streamline the ordering process...


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Tesla 'bulls' say it's a clear sign the Model 3 is around the corner,
and this is to create more price separation between the two vehicles.


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Entry Level 40kWh Tesla Model S Cancelled, 60 kWh Cars All Get Supercharging Hardware - InsideEVs


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I agree with the model 3 comment however I also bet the take rate on the cheaper model is probably a lot less like the article states. Most Model S's that I have seen anyway have always been higher spec ones.
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Although I hold Elon Musk in extremely high regard the Model S is quite honestly not a product that should ever even in passing be compared to the S Klasse. With a Tesla you buy bleeding edge technology, and quite frankly cars like the Lucid Air easily shade the Model S.


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Tesla explains why it limits Supercharging speed after high numbers of DC charges
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By Fred Lambert - 5/7/2017

The Tesla community had another small technical/communication controversy this week that was not unlike the controversy around Tesla’s undisclosed performance restrictions with max power output in March.

We learned this week that the automaker is also limiting the charging rate when Supercharging on vehicles that have accumulated too many DC fast-charge events. Electrek reached out to Tesla to get the official reason behind the change.

Some Tesla owners have been complaining about a slower than usual charge rate at Superchargers on forums and social media for a while now.

There are so many factors affecting the charge rate, including the Supercharger itself, the state of charge of the battery pack, the temperature of the battery pack, and more. Therefore, no one managed to pin down a single reason behind slower charge rate.

The issue came back into focus this week after a Tesla owner returned from a road trip where he used several different Superchargers and couldn’t get a charge rate above 90 kW even though the top charge rate is officially 120 kW.

He went to the Tesla Service Center and posted the technician’s conclusion to the Tesla Motors Club:
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Supercharger General Diagnosis Conclusion: No Trouble Found. Review vehicle logs and verify charging is topping out a lower rate than observed on earlier DC charging sessions. According to Tesla engineers, once vehicle has been DC fast charged over a specified amount, the battery management system restricts DC charging to prevent degradation of the battery pack. According to Tesla engineers, this vehicle has seen significant DC fast charging and is now has permanently restricted DC charging speeds. Important to note, supercharging will always still be available to the vehicle and the battery pack has not yet experienced significant degradation due to the amount of DC fast charging performed on the pack up until this point in time. Vehicle is operating as designed.
The news that a limit has been placed on DC fast-charging has sparked some outrage among Tesla owners in the thread, but to be fair, this particular Tesla owner has been virtually only charging through DC fast-charging, which is not common amongst electric vehicle owners.

He said that he accumulated 6,685.603 kWh of DC fast charges during 245 total charge ups on CHAdeMO only – and he estimates that he used Superchargers on “50 to 60 occasions” on top of that.

That’s definitely atypical charging behavior since most Tesla owners get most of their charges on level 2 charging at home.

Nonetheless, it’s an important information for owners to have since it can affect charging habits.

In a statement, Tesla explains that it is a software limitation to optimize for the best possible owner experience that’s within the limits of physics. Here’s the statement in full:
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The peak charging rate possible in a li-ion cell will slightly decline after a very large number of high-rate charging sessions. This is due to physical and chemical changes inside of the cells. Our fast-charge control technology is designed to keep the battery safe and to preserve the maximum amount of cell capacity (range capability) in all conditions. To maintain safety and retain maximum range, we need to slow down the charge rate when the cells are too cold, when the state of charge is nearly full, and also when the conditions of the cell change gradually with age and usage. This change due to age and usage may increase total Supercharge time by about 5 minutes and less than 1% of our customers experience this.

Tesla is not slowing down charge rates to discourage frequent Supercharging – quite the opposite. We encourage our customers to use the Supercharger network at their discretion and we committed to doubling the number of worldwide chargers just this year. We also want to ensure that our customers have the best experience at those Superchargers and preserve as much vehicle range as possible – even after frequent usage.”
There are a lot of different artificial software limitations in Tesla’s vehicles that limit performance in order to increase durability or safety. Most of them are not detectable, but when they are – like in this case or in the case of the max power output, it seems to be poorly received by the community. Is it only a vocal minority? Let us know what you think about it in the comment section below.

The subject is especially interesting following a recent presentation by Jeff Dahn, Tesla’s battery research partner, during which he unveiled a new chemistry to increase lifecycle at high voltage. The new chemistry could technically enable higher charge rates while limiting battery degradation.
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Tesla split pits tech analysts VS car analysts
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-Julie Verhage - May 25, 2017


The Wall Street split on Tesla Inc. boils down to analysts who see the next Apple Inc. and those who perceive a lot more similarity with Studebaker.

Most of the seven analysts who rate the stock a buy are focused on coverage of technology companies, while a majority of the six who advise investors to sell are dedicated to automobiles, according to data compiled by Bloomberg and Sanford C. Bernstein & Co.

While the tech folks are honing in on the potential for disrupting the century-old industry, those who concentrate on manufacturing efficiency and vehicle reliability see the stock’s valuation as out of line with reality.

The issue was highlighted in a note from Bernstein on Tuesday, which featured technology analyst Toni Sacconaghi making the bullish case for Tesla and autos analyst Max Warburton arguing that shares should head lower from here. After the stock’s 42 percent surge over the past year, it now trades well above the average target price from analysts surveyed by Bloomberg.

“Tesla is a disruptive company, with a once-in-a-generation leader,” Sacconaghi wrote. “It is the next Apple Inc., Netflix Inc., Amazon.com Inc., and Elon Musk is a uniquely visionary leader with track record of doing the impossible.”

He sees electronic vehicles composing almost 40 percent of auto sales within two decades, and says Tesla is well positioned to take advantage of the shift as one of the first manufacturers and one of the brands with the best reputation among consumers.

Warburton, the auto analyst, disagrees. He cites the company’s inability to make money so far, the sky-high price for its automobiles and concerns about quality.

“Tesla’s single biggest challenge now is to ramp up production, yet its manufacturing capabilities are dismal, its quality poor and its approach wild,” he wrote, adding that he expects output of the Model 3 to take much longer to accelerate than Musk is claiming.

The note comes after one of Tesla’s biggest bulls, Adam Jones of Morgan Stanley, downgraded the stock earlier this month on worries that competition will increase from large tech firms like Alphabet Inc. and Apple, and expenses being higher than he had previously expected.

The debate has been heating up on Wall Street lately as to what the future of Tesla looks like, with Musk himself jumping into the debate on Twitter. While the stock is sitting near record highs, short interest is also elevated at 27 percent, compared with 7 percent at Netflix and 10 percent at Twitter.

Tesla has seven buys, 10 holds and six sells with an average price target of $274.87, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.
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^...what Tesla has done is offer exactly what consumers were asking for, instead of what the company wanted the customer to buy. Big difference.

ICE automakers have had since 2012 to ramp up to be ready to compete with the future of the automobile, but being heavily invested in combustion engines and dealership service profitability, they were stuck where they are for the most part. One compliance vehicle after another just so they can tell the public they have an EV, but in no way prepared for the major shift in transportation that in progress today. Even when Tesla started construction on the Gigafactory, ICE automakers did nothing but more planning....more negative comments about the viability of EVs,...and trying to find other ways around EVs. But none of it worked. It took billions in legal expenses/lawsuits and fines for VW to change their tune and had them scrap their dirty diesel they had been pushing heavily, and FORCED to make the change to EVs on a global scale.

I think Ford needs to do something a bit radical. Like, separate the trucks/vans/commercial vehicles into a separate company from consumer transportation vehicles. Because on the consumer side, the market is quickly demanding that it go electric. And the faster Ford can reorganize to meet the needs of the two very different consumers, the more successful Ford will be in the future.
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