2016-19 "Car Wars" report - Page 3 - Ford Inside News Community
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #21 of 37 (permalink) Old 06-05-2015, 09:32 PM
FIN Staff Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 7,891
Re: 2016-19 "Car Wars" report




Noting that this list does not include a model 'refresh', the new C-Max pushed out to 2019 would indicate that the US should get the current Europe refresh, maybe not for MY2016 but for MY2017 at the latest.

Better aerodynamics and the new EcoSelect options should allow the hybrid to operate at it most efficient mode.

Which would mean we should see a refreshed 2017 Fusion Hybrid/Energi along with a refreshed 2017 C-Max Hybrid/Energi.
Bloggin is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #22 of 37 (permalink) Old 06-05-2015, 10:22 PM
Ford Focus ZX
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 326
Re: 2016-19 "Car Wars" report

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bloggin View Post
I didn't see a replacement for the Flex on the list, but then again the replacement for the Explorer is not until 2019. Explorer riding on that platform just got a refresh for 2016, Flex had a refresh back in 2013, which means it, just like the Explorer, could be due for another major refresh, riding out the platform that continues on until 2019 or so when it's renewed.

Remember: Flex is a high profit $40k+ model for Ford, thats just 380 units from outselling the MKC YTD. Flex, with a loyal customer base, is also the #2 selling 7-passenger SUV in the largest market in the US....CA. Which would mean a MY2017 refresh is on the way. And would look at the Explorer refresh to see what should be coming to the Flex.
It is common knowledge that the Flex will not be replaced.
ehaase is online now  
post #23 of 37 (permalink) Old 06-06-2015, 11:50 PM
FIN Staff Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 7,891
Re: 2016-19 "Car Wars" report

Quote:
Originally Posted by ehaase View Post
It is common knowledge that the Flex will not be replaced.
Not replaced at this time, but maybe another refresh.

So far what's on the 'common knowledge' extinction list....

- Taurus which leaves Ford with no large car, and deletes the MKS and Police Interceptor sedan which pushes Ford out of the police sedan business.

- Flex(#2 best seller in CA) which deletes the MKT and pushes Ford out of a large segment of the Livery business.

While the Explorer has a scheduled replacement set for MY2019.

Something just does not seam right about Ford deleting 5 vehicles.
Bloggin is offline  
 
post #24 of 37 (permalink) Old 06-07-2015, 10:21 AM
Ford Focus ZX
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 326
Re: 2016-19 "Car Wars" report

Ford's not dropping 5 products. Continental will replace MKS, and a future Explorer based Lincoln product will replace MKT. The Police Interceptor can continue through most of the end of the decade with the D3/4 Explorer.

Only Taurus and Flex are questionable. The Flex is my favorite Ford product. Ford ought to sell at least 100,000 of them, and I think the Flex is far superior to the Explorer. But the car has been a flop. Ford has dropped all kinds of flops in the past with no immediate direct replacement.

As far as the Taurus goes, I can't see full size cars surviving with sales dropping and CAFE increasing, unless powered by a 4 cylinder and hybrid, and I don't know if customers will pay the high price.
ehaase is online now  
post #25 of 37 (permalink) Old 06-07-2015, 11:34 AM
Ford Falcon
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 2,799
Re: 2016-19 "Car Wars" report

Well this list is bogus, we cold put together a more accurate list. It also says nothing about new segments which Ford is likely to enter by the end of the decade, specifically the subcompact Crossover. Ford has long been rumored to be working on a proper hybrid this decade which will replace C-Max, I have a VERY hard time believing they will continue to bolt batteries into the Focus or C-Max and call it a day into the next decade. I'm sure a bunch of C2 cars will be placed on the new platform around 2019/2020, including C-Max, Escape, and Focus, along with a new Hybrid which won't be called C-Max.

I'm curious on the phase out of Flex, Taurus, and MKT and when that will happen. MKT and Flex are in Oakville and with such low volume they can probably continue building them for a few more years until D3/D4 is phased out in Chicago for the next gen Explorer. The same goes for Taurus. I imagine they want all D3/D4 are and their parts gone by end of 2017, but that's still quite a few years.
DetroitBORG is offline  
post #26 of 37 (permalink) Old 06-07-2015, 01:26 PM
2b2
Mercury C557
 
2b2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: N NW of Atlantis (Reno)
Posts: 22,734
Blog Entries: 6
Re: 2016-19 "Car Wars" report

crossreference

I would LOVE to have some official answers

imho, with corporate gossiping-thru-espionage,
the ONLY people in the dark are us fans




edit
Quote:
Originally Posted by DetroitBORG View Post
...we cold put together a more accurate list...
I'm All in favor of seeing (more) attempts!!

.
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
2b2 is offline  
post #27 of 37 (permalink) Old 06-09-2015, 04:49 PM
2b2
Mercury C557
 
2b2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: N NW of Atlantis (Reno)
Posts: 22,734
Blog Entries: 6
Re: 2016-19 "Car Wars" report

just in case anyone else didn't look at anything but FoMoCo (like me)...






didn't do/compress All of them...wasn't sure they'd be legible

Looks like, by # of new models,
FoMoCo, FCA, & Yurps have a scant 2016 (all = ModelYears, right?)
Thugota's meager for 2017
GM has few for 2018
Honda skips 2019
tho
as we know, these don't include everything esp. MCEs



find the very last datum interesting, by 2019est.,
the number of models on sale in the U.S will have climbed to 283!
Attached Images
File Type: jpg murcs2016-19e.jpg (74.9 KB, 37 views)
File Type: jpg TL2016-19e.jpg (29.4 KB, 37 views)
File Type: jpg HA2016-19e.jpg (24.2 KB, 36 views)
File Type: jpg yurp2016-19e.jpg (31.9 KB, 36 views)
File Type: jpg Appendi.jpg (84.4 KB, 37 views)

.
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
2b2 is offline  
post #28 of 37 (permalink) Old 06-09-2015, 06:52 PM
Ford Explorer
 
SP1966's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 5,400
Re: 2016-19 "Car Wars" report

Why is Ford dropping the Focus hatch again? To my eyes the small sedans typically look terrible, the hatch is always the better looking version. I rarely ever see a Focus sedan either, I don't get it.
SP1966 is offline  
post #29 of 37 (permalink) Old 06-09-2015, 07:38 PM
2b2
Mercury C557
 
2b2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: N NW of Atlantis (Reno)
Posts: 22,734
Blog Entries: 6
Re: 2016-19 "Car Wars" report

Quote:
Originally Posted by SP1966 View Post
Why is Ford dropping the Focus hatch again? To my eyes the small sedans typically look terrible, the hatch is always the better looking version. I rarely ever see a Focus sedan either, I don't get it.
are you just-referring to it not being in this chart for 2018, SP?


as I said I kinda gloss over omissions
but
with your pointing it out,
I'm wondering (still/yet/again/as usual) about the A.M.P program
which could have different timing
as well as being tippy-Top-Secret


then again,
ALL my Mission2020 Mercurys have hatches
Attached Images
File Type: jpg FL2016-19e.jpg (26.0 KB, 172 views)

.
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
2b2 is offline  
post #30 of 37 (permalink) Old 06-09-2015, 11:41 PM
FIN Staff Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 7,891
Re: 2016-19 "Car Wars" report

Quote:
Originally Posted by SP1966 View Post
Why is Ford dropping the Focus hatch again? To my eyes the small sedans typically look terrible, the hatch is always the better looking version. I rarely ever see a Focus sedan either, I don't get it.
I wonder if Ford is going the same route as Toyota, with just a new larger Focus sedan like the Corolla sedan....for the US. While the US will still get the Focus ST and RS in hatch form.
Bloggin is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Tags
american, annual, big, car, car wars, honda, report, wars, winner

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Ford Inside News Community forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome