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post #151 of 177 (permalink) Old 03-16-2019, 05:34 PM
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A similarly equipped 19 and 20 Explorer XLT.....basically what I'd buy, the 20 is $4000 more......and I could save another $1700 on the 19 because I could remove the sunroof I wouldn't want.

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LOL at "data". It's called a linked article filled with opinions. Fine though, I will let you win the debate. Although Ford has historically generated bigger margins by offering higher trim models while not changing the base model, perhaps this one time they will not generate more. On a long awaited, much improved model. That will sell by itself, as Taurus sedan goes away. And will also offer PHEV and HEV. Yup, Ford screwed up.


Good luck with that.
All of these high margins must be why Ford’s CEO told employees 2018’s numbers were mediocre by any standard and it was time to bury it in a deep grave!
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It sucks that you can't get a high-horsepower Explorer for below $50K.
I'd prefer if they kept the price increase at a minimum and just added a tech/luxury package for those willing to pay extra.
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A similarly equipped 19 and 20 Explorer XLT.....basically what I'd buy, the 20 is $4000 more......and I could save another $1700 on the 19 because I could remove the sunroof I wouldn't want.
Wingsman can’t understand that...

I paid $39k for my Limited (msrp was $44k)....the exact same 2020 Explorer is now msrp $54,225!!!! And it comes with a tiny 2.3L engine...if I add the V6 (which is now hybrid only), the price skyrockets to $57,975!!!

Just as a comparison, a F150 Platinum is $54,920, with a V6 Ecoboost!

Seems like Ford is determined to only sell F150s...

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It sucks that you can't get a high-horsepower Explorer for below $50K.
I'd prefer if they kept the price increase at a minimum and just added a tech/luxury package for those willing to pay extra.
Yup! I 100% agree...a high powered Explorer is cutting close to $60k, that’s not Explorer money anymore...that’s luxury SUV money!....one is better off with a F150 Raptor and that awesome 450hp engine!
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Yup! I 100% agree...a high powered Explorer is cutting close to $60k, that’s not Explorer money anymore...that’s luxury SUV money!....one is better off with a F150 Raptor and that awesome 450hp engine!
Then there's the Durango, these old Mopars (along with the RWD sedans and the Challenger) have managed to stay competitive despite being around for ages. The 360hp 5.7-liter Hemi V8-powered AWD Durango costs $46,590.
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I completely get complaining that prices have increased, I do it all the time. But you have to compare apples to apples first, if your story is to suggest Ford has a losing proposition here, which so are so determined to do. Complaining that the Limited only gets an I4 engine, ignoring that it has much more power than any Ford NA V6 engine, is a waste of time. Limited did not even offer a powerful engine in the past, yet now you can get the 3L TT option. This is the trend in the industry, BTW. And with the hybrid option, you can pretty much match the torque of outgoing 3.5L TT in today's Sport, while not averaging 18.5mpg, like I did when I owned one.

And along with an all new world class platform comes technologies that help to increase the Platinum price further North. So again, apples to apples is not so easy here, unless you dig deeper. Overall it is clear that Ford is offering more on the bottom end for the same money, while moving upscale with a very modern world class platform and more power and features than before. And because Ford will be selling only SUV's, they might as well cover a broader price point that will include higher ATP's and profit.

All these are examples of 'alternate facts.' IOW, it's all how you look at it.

As for 2018 numbers needing to be buried, that's fine. Ford's plan is long term, not flash in the pan. These are tough times for the industry going through it. Ford had a tough week, and I watched a dozen friends/co-workers get walked to the door. So if trolling is your goal here, you can go to ****, boy.
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Alternate facts?! LOL

I will post a remind here on the competition - SIMILARLY equipped to a Limited:
Honda Pilot EX-L: $39.6k
Subaru Ascent Limited: $38.9k
Mazda CX-9 Touring: $42k
Kia Telluride EX: $37k
Toyota Highlander Limited: $43k
Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited: $42k (with Active safety group)
Ford Explorer Limited: $53k

and then in the hybrid world:
Explorer Hybrid - $58k (18.5mpg)
Toyota Highlander Limited: $44k (28 mpg)

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post #159 of 177 (permalink) Old 03-17-2019, 12:56 PM
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Asian brands compared huh? I believe Ford was targeting German brands, so why don't you go fetch a fair comparison there.

Anyway, more on Explorer.
The ST replaces Sport but ups the ante, with help from the Ford Performance team. Under the hood, a 3.0-liter twin-turbocharged V-6 is tweaked to produce 400 hp and 415 lb-ft of torque. The same engine gets 365 hp and 380 lb-ft of torque in the Platinum trim. A sport package adds 21-inch wheels and tires, sport-oriented tuning of the electric brake boost, larger brake rotors, improved pad compound, and red calipers that are also upsized (though their basic two-piston-front, one-piston-rear sliding design is retained).

The performance-tuned 10-speed automatic transmission will deliver quicker shift points in Sport mode, and other changes include enhanced engine sound and more responsive throttle and steering.

This is the first new hybrid for the Ford brand in six years—but certainly not the last as the automaker plans to electrify virtually everything in the lineup going forward.

In the Explorer Limited Hybrid the 3.3-liter V-6 hybrid produces 318 hp and 336 lb-ft of torque and is mated to a 10-speed modular hybrid transmission that shares 90 percent of its parts with the non-hybrid transmissions. We strongly suspect the engine is equipped to run in Atkinson-cycle mode, but officials were not yet ready to divulge that information or the power and torque specs for the electric motor. Speaking of which, it's packaged between the engine and the transmission's torque converter so that it can drive in electric-only mode for short distances—as when sneaking back into the neighborhood after curfew.

The liquid-cooled battery pack resides under the floor beneath the front seat and second-row footwell on the passenger side. Its capacity is just 1.5 kW-hr, which it can deliver at a max rate of 35 kW (47 hp). Electric-only propulsion is not the point of the system. The point is delivering no-compromise fuel efficiency, a range of up to 500 miles, and improving acceleration performance.

Even though it is a hybrid, the crossover can tow 5,000 pounds, which is 1,500 pounds more than the Toyota Highlander Hybrid



https://www.motortrend.com/cars/ford...hybrid-review/
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So again, I think I would choose the hybrid option which nets you torque similar to current 3.5L TT, no doubt sooner with the electric response ancd channeled through 10 speeds means similar acceleration to current Sport. All while saving thousands at the pump. Although I can't wait to experience the Aviator hybrid, which channels the hybrid to the 400hp engine for performance bias over efficiency.
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