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Explorer has moved upscale. Some refuse to try to understand this simple fact. Stripping down an entry level pricepoint In addition to very high trim models) for additional sales, is not a mistake or a bad idea. It is brilliant. I think I will trust Ford's experience on this matter.


Bottom line, Kia has NOTHING to compete with a high trim Explorer, or the Aviator. So let them enjoy this little win.

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Explorer has moved upscale. Some refuse to try to understand this simple fact. Stripping down an entry level pricepoint In addition to very high trim models) for additional sales, is not a mistake or a bad idea. It is brilliant. I think I will trust Ford's experience on this matter.


Bottom line, Kia has NOTHING to compete with a high trim Explorer, or the Aviator. So let them enjoy this little win.
Moved upscale hey!

“ In interior style and quality, the Telluride doesn't just pummel the Ford. It punches well above its weight and delivers a near-luxury experience despite a price that screams "value." In contrast, the Explorer is a somber study in penny-pinching cost savings and hard, black plastic. If you measure luxuriousness by anything other than size, there are $30K compact cars that are more upscale than this particular $46,810 Explorer.”
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Wow.
How can someone just not understand that an entry level XLT will not have the same materials, textures, content, etc. as a Platinum, that is 4 trim levels higher.


The Force is weak with this one.

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Wow.
How can someone just not understand that an entry level XLT will not have the same materials, textures, content, etc. as a Platinum, that is 4 trim levels higher.


The Force is weak with this one.
Lol you have to be dumb omg....COMPETITION is charging less for more, I don’t know what else to say - more reviews like this will quickly throw the Explorer down the toilet.
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Wow.
How can someone just not understand that an entry level XLT will not have the same materials, textures, content, etc. as a Platinum, that is 4 trim levels higher.


The Force is weak with this one.
Lol you have to be dumb omg....COMPETITION is charging less for more, I don’t know what else to say - more reviews like this will quickly throw the Explorer down the toilet.
...this from the comment section bothered me the most...

”As someone who's driven every iteration of the 2020 Explorer since the hand-built ones came off the line for us to test, I can attest to the, um... non-goodness of them. The Police Interceptors are cool because they have the light bar inside at the top of the windshield, and the ST isn't bad, it's just trying to overcome the regular Exploder's inherent faults.

The average Joe love theirs. Cool. That means I and my colleagues did our job. But unless it's a "special edition", the basic machine is lacking in a LOT of improvements we all stopped bothering to report because Ford didn't give a $hit.

[Case in point: If your rear washer doesn't spray fluid even though you hear the pump and know there's plenty of fluid in the tank, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DON'T KEEP TRYING. You'll find out what we did: The fluid IS pumping, it's just into the right side panel in the cargo area where it causes a "cool" waterfall effect that will soak the electronics back there, the carpet and anything you have on the floor.]

I don't know what Kia/Hyundai's QC procedure is, but that's something I'm sure they'd look into to fixing. After like my 40th one if it wasn't actively on fire you didn't bother with reporting it because it went nowhere.

[I do like the mode knob, though. Not that I ever wasn't in "Sport", but on my way there you could see the dash screen do all kinds of color changing like green with leaves for Eco, falling snow for, well, you know what for, etc.]“

...I’m not sure what is going on inside Ford, but given the problems with the launch, it looks like a program manager somewhere **** the bed.
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MotorTrend was a little more polite...it brushes through the problems C&D highlighted - no wonder why some auto makers hate C&D so much....here, another win for the competition:

https://www.motortrend.com/cars/hyun...uv-comparison/
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...this from the comment section bothered me the most...

”As someone who's driven every iteration of the 2020 Explorer since the hand-built ones came off the line for us to test, I can attest to the, um... non-goodness of them. The Police Interceptors are cool because they have the light bar inside at the top of the windshield, and the ST isn't bad, it's just trying to overcome the regular Exploder's inherent faults.

The average Joe love theirs. Cool. That means I and my colleagues did our job. But unless it's a "special edition", the basic machine is lacking in a LOT of improvements we all stopped bothering to report because Ford didn't give a $hit.

[Case in point: If your rear washer doesn't spray fluid even though you hear the pump and know there's plenty of fluid in the tank, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DON'T KEEP TRYING. You'll find out what we did: The fluid IS pumping, it's just into the right side panel in the cargo area where it causes a "cool" waterfall effect that will soak the electronics back there, the carpet and anything you have on the floor.]

I don't know what Kia/Hyundai's QC procedure is, but that's something I'm sure they'd look into to fixing. After like my 40th one if it wasn't actively on fire you didn't bother with reporting it because it went nowhere.

[I do like the mode knob, though. Not that I ever wasn't in "Sport", but on my way there you could see the dash screen do all kinds of color changing like green with leaves for Eco, falling snow for, well, you know what for, etc.]“

...I’m not sure what is going on inside Ford, but given the problems with the launch, it looks like a program manager somewhere **** the bed.

Did they actually type 'Exploder'?

No hateful bias there - wow. If so, the entire review is suspect and thus disqualified. No question.

Meh, it's easy for the low volume competition to throw a bit more content out there to compete with top sellers, who are moving up scale with far more luxury and performance, and decontenting a bit on the low end for those extra sales. Range of price is plan here. Better interior bits, better NVH and power and better driving dynamics (all denounced in these Korean comparisons) are simply a higher trim box check away. And in those higher trim Explorer levels, I see nothing from the Koreans to compete. That is where Ford want's to be the most competitive, because that is where the margins are. Clearly. Let them have their 4-5K unit sales/month averaging $43K......where Ford is now interested in ~15-20K (including fleet) with ATP's closer to $55K.

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Did they actually type 'Exploder'?

No hateful bias there - wow. If so, the entire review is suspect and thus disqualified. No question.

Meh, it's easy for the low volume competition to throw a bit more content out there to compete with top sellers, who are moving up scale with far more luxury and performance, and decontenting a bit on the low end for those extra sales. Range of price is plan here. Better interior bits, better NVH and power and better driving dynamics (all denounced in these Korean comparisons) are simply a higher trim box check away. And in those higher trim Explorer levels, I see nothing from the Koreans to compete. That is where Ford want's to be the most competitive, because that is where the margins are. Clearly.
...no, comment from the comment section from a QC tester.
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...no, comment from the comment section from a QC tester.
Got it.

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...this from the comment section bothered me the most...

Did they actually type 'Exploder'?

No hateful bias there - wow. If so, the entire review is suspect and thus disqualified. No question.

Meh, it's easy for the low volume competition to throw a bit more content out there to compete with top sellers, who are moving up scale with far more luxury and performance, and decontenting a bit on the low end for those extra sales. Range of price is plan here. Better interior bits, better NVH and power and better driving dynamics (all denounced in these Korean comparisons) are simply a higher trim box check away. And in those higher trim Explorer levels, I see nothing from the Koreans to compete. That is where Ford want's to be the most competitive, because that is where the margins are. Clearly. Let them have their 4-5K unit sales/month averaging $43K......where Ford is now interested in ~15-20K (including fleet) with ATP's closer to $55K.
MotorTrend disagrees:

‘ The Explorer's interior is a notable step down. It feels built to a price—driver and passengers will find themselves surrounded by black plastic. (Adding AWD to our XLT tester would have brought the as-tested price to about $2,000 below the Palisade.) There are some metallic trim pieces and detail stitching, but this is a significantly lower-quality cabin than the Hyundai's; our interior criticism unfortunately holds true with more expensive 2020 Explorers, too.’

And you actually correct, Genesis occupies that space...at higher prices you are now going against Cadillac, BMW, Mercedes, Audi and if the Explorer can’t compete within its own category, it will fall apart when it starts to compete with real lux SUVs

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