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post #81 of 183 (permalink) Old 08-31-2019, 09:32 AM
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from C&D, a mode detailed review....still not a FULL review, but we are getting there - you can see they tried hard to avoid conflict - https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-the-numbers/

"The 2020 Ford Explorer ST pictured here can get to 60 mph in a scant 5.2 seconds, which is only a tenth of a second quicker than a 1991 GMC Typhoon could"

this is a good number and improves over the 5.5 from the Explorer Sport! But there's something wrong with these ponies...a BMW X5 with 335hp can get to 60 in only 4.8s!

"On the road, the ST's ride is not objectionable, but there's no denying that the vehicle's sporting intentions and big wheels give it a heavy-footed feeling. Despite the grip of the tires, the starch in the suspension, and a structure that feels rock solid, the Explorer ST is not as coordinated as we'd hoped it would be, either"

"The steering action is heavy through the thick-rimmed wheel, but it feels artificially so. There's none of the buildup of forces that, in the best sporting machines, telegraph the status of grip to the driver. Combine that with a transmission that likes to let the engine rest at every opportunity, requiring multiple downshifts and turbo spool-up to get into the thrust, and the Explorer ST is not a natural performance vehicle"

"The apparent quality of the materials is at least on par with the Explorer's mainstream competitors. There are only a few pieces of questionable refinement, such as the panel on the center stack surrounding the climate-control knobs. It's hard, hollow, and ungrained, making it feel and look cheap. Such a piece wouldn't be off-putting in an XLT, which starts at less than $40,000. But it's a little harder to swallow on our test vehicle, which carried an MSRP of $62,020."

AND now consider this, a moderately equipped BMW X5 40i will run you about the same price as the Sport (MSRP to MSRP before discounts), the Mercedes GLE450 is a tiny cheaper.

Since C&D had to avoid tearing it apart...it instead provided an area for the drivers to provide their OWN professional opinion:

"I relish any opportunity to shake my fist at the SUV takeover, and the Explorer ST—as impressive as it is—is an easy target. The extra weight and height that come with a package like this are the enemies of performance, ostensibly the ST’s primary mission. So if Ford’s engineers were able to make this tall, nearly 5000-pound family bus corner this well and accelerate this quickly, then imagine what they could have done with this platform and powertrain if they had fitted a lower, lighter sedan body on top of it and called it the Taurus SHO. Sure, the Chevy SS was a flop, but the Dodge Charger could really use a good crosstown rival. It’s an alternate universe I wish I lived in. –Joey Capparella, staff editor

All expensive Fords—Lincolns included—have the same problem: They simply cost too much. They’re priced as if they were all-around more-premium products than they are. Just look inside this thing. The hard, oddly grained plastic that lines most of the lower half of the interior not only looks as if it had been pulled straight from the old Explorer, it also resembles a popcorn ceiling and is about as appealing as asbestos. And I know what you’ll say: “But this one is based on a rear-drive platform!” Sure, but turn-in is a little doughy, and the front and rear axles roll at different rates. And why does the front end look as though someone punched it flat? Durango SRT, please. –Alexander Stoklosa, staff editor"

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No mods, and pulls 4.53 sec 0-60.

Not bad for a full size SUV


With a tune and calibration only, and some different fuel, it really comes to life.



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Another great review below;

https://gearpatrol.com/2019/08/01/20...american-suvs/


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While I spent time behind the wheel of each of the six new Explorer models ó on pavement and off, towing and unburdened, in RWD and AWD specs ó it was the Explorer ST that seemed the most worthy of praise. Compared to the Edge ST, which was little more than the application of a badge to an old platform, the Explorer ST is a dramatically better vehicle.

With 400 horsepower on tap, itís fast ó but more importantly, it feels fast, not an easily-accomplished feat with a three-row SUV. More surprising than the sensation of speed is how it goes around corners so nicely, without any sense that youíre battling the weight of the **** thing. Happily, the balance of purpose is maintained, so even with 21-inch wheels and a sport suspension, the STís remains plenty comfortable. The chunky steering wheel specific to the ST is yet another welcome surprise, and a joy to hold onto. There are purpose-built sports cars that donít have tillers this good, let alone myriad crossovers and SUVs with sporting aspirations.

All that being said, every Ford employee I spoke with about how the Explorer ST spoke about how they sought to go beyond past Explorers in terms of sportiness, while still retaining all the traditional qualities of a family-friendly SUV. Take the front seats, for example Ėtruly some of the best Iíve parked my butt in lately, in terms of comfort. The three-way adjustable independent lumbar support is a clear indication that Ford expects drivers to spend extended periods of time in the seat, while the six different massage options drive that point home ó and embarrass a number of luxury automakers. Those folks hoping for deeply bolstered chairs like those from the Fiesta and Focus ST may be disappointed at the lack of lateral support and adjustable bolsters would be a nice option, but that remains a rarity in this segment, particularly with domestic automakers.

The use of interior space is highly efficient; from passenger seating to cargo storage, I couldnít find any missed opportunities to make the cabin more comfortable or accommodating. Thereís reconfigurable storage at the rear, the requisite power fold-flat seating and stash spots throughout ó all of what youíd expect in a vehicle in this class, but all one quite right. The center armrest storage proved quite useful for holding my full-frame mirrorless digital camera and its large lens and battery grip, allowing quick access while letting me keep my camera bag secured in the back. The wireless charging mat that sits at an angle at the rear of the center console was also much appreciated. Itís a much better solution than having it take up space inside the armrest, where far too much transmission heat gets trapped, potentially damaging your device.

The giant vertically-mounted 10.1-inch tablet that anchors the dash may be off-putting to some, but it fits with the rest of the design and operates smoothly. Letís face it, thereís not much more you can ask of an infotainment system; screens rarely beautiful, but theyíve become necessary in vehicles over the past decade, so surely we can all appreciate a thoughtful approach when we see it.

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Another great review below;

https://gearpatrol.com/2019/08/01/20...american-suvs/


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While I spent time behind the wheel of each of the six new Explorer models — on pavement and off, towing and unburdened, in RWD and AWD specs — it was the Explorer ST that seemed the most worthy of praise. Compared to the Edge ST, which was little more than the application of a badge to an old platform, the Explorer ST is a dramatically better vehicle.

With 400 horsepower on tap, it’s fast — but more importantly, it feels fast, not an easily-accomplished feat with a three-row SUV. More surprising than the sensation of speed is how it goes around corners so nicely, without any sense that you’re battling the weight of the **** thing. Happily, the balance of purpose is maintained, so even with 21-inch wheels and a sport suspension, the ST’s remains plenty comfortable. The chunky steering wheel specific to the ST is yet another welcome surprise, and a joy to hold onto. There are purpose-built sports cars that don’t have tillers this good, let alone myriad crossovers and SUVs with sporting aspirations.

All that being said, every Ford employee I spoke with about how the Explorer ST spoke about how they sought to go beyond past Explorers in terms of sportiness, while still retaining all the traditional qualities of a family-friendly SUV. Take the front seats, for example –truly some of the best I’ve parked my butt in lately, in terms of comfort. The three-way adjustable independent lumbar support is a clear indication that Ford expects drivers to spend extended periods of time in the seat, while the six different massage options drive that point home — and embarrass a number of luxury automakers. Those folks hoping for deeply bolstered chairs like those from the Fiesta and Focus ST may be disappointed at the lack of lateral support and adjustable bolsters would be a nice option, but that remains a rarity in this segment, particularly with domestic automakers.

The use of interior space is highly efficient; from passenger seating to cargo storage, I couldn’t find any missed opportunities to make the cabin more comfortable or accommodating. There’s reconfigurable storage at the rear, the requisite power fold-flat seating and stash spots throughout — all of what you’d expect in a vehicle in this class, but all one quite right. The center armrest storage proved quite useful for holding my full-frame mirrorless digital camera and its large lens and battery grip, allowing quick access while letting me keep my camera bag secured in the back. The wireless charging mat that sits at an angle at the rear of the center console was also much appreciated. It’s a much better solution than having it take up space inside the armrest, where far too much transmission heat gets trapped, potentially damaging your device.

The giant vertically-mounted 10.1-inch tablet that anchors the dash may be off-putting to some, but it fits with the rest of the design and operates smoothly. Let’s face it, there’s not much more you can ask of an infotainment system; screens rarely beautiful, but they’ve become necessary in vehicles over the past decade, so surely we can all appreciate a thoughtful approach when we see it.
From the same review to reinforce everyone’s point:

Watch Out For: Base and Limited models are competitively priced with their competition, but there’s some standard equipment missing in the active safety system department. This has long been an underlying issue with Ford, who is as adept at serving up a la carte options as any German automaker. As a result, the price of an Explorer can easily rise from its published starting point, potentially making them uncompetitive.

Interior materials in the Limited and Platinum models don’t exactly live up to their names. Base, XLT and ST models were satisfactory, if not impressive; however, in the more upscale models, I wondered why certain touchpoints were not softer, covered with better leather or made with noticeably higher quality hard materials.
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It's clearly upsetting to our resident troll that Explorer is so well reviewed, that they spend an unhealthy amount of time scouring reviews for anything that is not overly positive.

That is the pure definition of a troll, IMO.

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It's clearly upsetting to our resident troll that Explorer is so well reviewed, that they spend an unhealthy amount of time scouring reviews for anything that is not overly positive.

That is the pure definition of a troll, IMO.

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It’s too bad you can’t accept the fact that the new Explorer is overpriced — it is now a reoccurring theme, including in the article you tried to spin as ‘positive’ lol
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Wow.
what did we do to deserve thise nonsense.

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While you think about how to respond to it, here are some numbers for you to digest...somehow the Ford Fusion has had an amazing year and it now sells more units than a Ford Explorer!!! Omg hey?
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So a car costing nearly a 1/3 as much with heavy discounts managed to outsell another that had ended production many months ago, as they transition to new.

Perhaps I am being hard on someone who appears to be very young or very slow. Or both.
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NO NO and NO!!!
You can compare the numbers hereó-http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/us-vehicle-sales-figures-by-model/#vwspc-section-4

Q2 2018:
Fusion-43,802
Explorer-65,902

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Itís not trolling...itís the ability to read and interpret data and information without bias.

Well then, are we pretending the demise of the Focus and Taurus aren't positively impacting Fusion's monthly sales, or are you just not able, "to read and interpret the data and information without bias"



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from C&D, a mode detailed review....still not a FULL review, but we are getting there - you can see they tried hard to avoid conflict - https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-the-numbers/

"The 2020 Ford Explorer ST pictured here can get to 60 mph in a scant 5.2 seconds, which is only a tenth of a second quicker than a 1991 GMC Typhoon could"

this is a good number and improves over the 5.5 from the Explorer Sport! But there's something wrong with these ponies...a BMW X5 with 335hp can get to 60 in only 4.8s!
Are you seriously taking two track test, with not a single controlled element being the same? Nevermind making a deal out of 0.3 of a second?

And yeah, comparing; basically a boosted 4.3L in a 1982 S-10 is about the same, eh? Seems like we've got another instance of your inability; "to read and interpret the data and information without bias"


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Itís too bad you canít accept the fact that the new Explorer is overpriced ó it is now a recurring theme, including in the article you tried to spin as Ďpositiveí lol
Overpriced compared to what? It's a completely new (and different) vehicle, do you think Ford is going to go through all that and sell it cheaper?

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Reading the tests and reviews, we conclude that Ford must change a piece of the dashboard to make everyone happy. It is a piece that is very "hard" for some hands, so the safe change will arrive in 1 year and a half. The cost for Ford? Almost nothing. Otherwise, all comments are positive. The price? Surely that C / D editor has not been mounted on an Aviator or a Navigator by saying that the "Fords (including the Lincoln)" are expensive. This guy has no idea what is happening with Ford / Lincoln. Today more than ever, they are completely differentiated and fully competitive vehicle lines in their respective markets. But journalists always have to say something bad to appear impartial, right?



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It's clearly upsetting to our resident troll that Explorer is so well reviewed, that they spend an unhealthy amount of time scouring reviews for anything that is not overly positive.

That is the pure definition of a troll, IMO.

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Um...and I see ur frantically scouring reviews for positive. Seems the dog is chasing itís tail lol
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