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What was the recent disgruntlement about between Ford and MT? I don’t pay much attention to that stuff, but I bet it has to do with that.
I don't recall, but any issue they have with MT shouldn't extend to every single prominent magazine and website. Whatever they're doing it's a very unusual strategy.
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204.1 - 122.4 - 73.9 - 57.9 - Cadillac CT6
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202.2 - 117.8 - 76.7 - 57.5 - Audi A8 (not L)
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202.0 - 111.7 - 72.9 - 59.4 - Cadillac XTS
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201.4 - 117.9 - 78.1 - 58.5 - 2017 Continental
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195.5 - 114.6 - 72.2 - 57.2 - Cadillac CTS gen3
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193.9 - 114.7 - 73.8 - 57.8 - Audi A6 (2013)
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193.0 - 112.2 - 75.1 - 58.1 - Lincoln MKZ 2017

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This how Car & Driver is ranking the midsize luxury cars, with the Lincoln Continental yet to be ranked. Seriously, I don't understand their logic.

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Lets be honest its not a sports sedan in anyway and it would rank with the Lexus in this class dead last. Which is not in anyway bad, its a luxury sedan with a luxury ride which is fine by me. Because when I buy a luxury car I want it to ride well like a luxury car should smooth. If i want a sports car ride I get a sports car. The magazines always try too judge every car first as how good of a sports car can it be. They never seem to test how good of a luxury car can it be where comfort is first on the list. This Lincoln is what a Lincoln should be American Luxury not an Audi with lots of tire noise. I always been told don't buy something because someone said its the best, but go find out for yourself if its best for you. I do not need a magazine to tell me if its good, i will know for myself after the first drive. The only thing the magazines are good for is there test numbers.
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Lets be honest its not a sports sedan in anyway and it would rank with the Lexus in this class dead last. Which is not in anyway bad, its a luxury sedan with a luxury ride which is fine by me. Because when I buy a luxury car I want it to ride well like a luxury car should smooth. If i want a sports car ride I get a sports car. The magazines always try too judge every car first as how good of a sports car can it be. They never seem to test how good of a luxury car can it be where comfort is first on the list. This Lincoln is what a Lincoln should be American Luxury not an Audi with lots of tire noise. I always been told don't buy something because someone said its the best, but go find out for yourself if its best for you. I do not need a magazine to tell me if its good, i will know for myself after the first drive. The only thing the magazines are good for is there test numbers.
Eagle F1 tires are standared on some trim levels. Together with it’s variable dampening and advanced AWD, aggressive shift points and steering that firms up – all when you engage the S mode, not to mention 400hp…..I would not discount it as a sport sedan. It should easily easily outperform previous MKS, which was considered sporty.

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Eagle F1 tires are standared on some trim levels. Together with it’s variable dampening and advanced AWD, aggressive shift points and steering that firms up – all when you engage the S mode, not to mention 400hp…..I would not discount it as a sport sedan. It should easily easily outperform previous MKS, which was considered sporty.
I don't disagree with anything you said other than wanting to point out there is a yuuge gap between Sport Sedan and Sporty. I think the Continental outfitted with the above listed features will be an engaging drive and quite enjoyable on a twisty backroad. It won't ever be mistaken for a sports car, and that's fine, good even.

When people discuss sports sedans they're typically talking about vehicles that are more 4 door sports cars than simply being sporty.
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I don't disagree with anything you said other than wanting to point out there is a yuuge gap between Sport Sedan and Sporty. I think the Continental outfitted with the above listed features will be an engaging drive and quite enjoyable on a twisty backroad. It won't ever be mistaken for a sports car, and that's fine, good even.

When people discuss sports sedans they're typically talking about vehicles that are more 4 door sports cars than simply being sporty.

The classic definition of ‘sports car’ is a low riding, lightweight and nimble vehicle, often a 2 seater or coupe or 2+2. Right!
That then completely discounts any 4 door sedan from being a true sports car.
Thus, a sporty sedan is left open for interpretation, as there is no clear definition, only subjective ones.

Personally, I don’t think it needs to be track-worthy either. To me, If the car is fun to drive fast and hard when called upon, then it obviously is more ‘sporty’ than a car that can’t. And if it has 4 doors, sporty sedan is completely valid. Now, is it a sport sedan, even though there is no clear definition? Again, all relative.

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The classic definition of ‘sports car’ is a low riding, lightweight and nimble vehicle, often a 2 seater or coupe or 2+2. Right!
That then completely discounts any 4 door sedan from being a true sports car.
Thus, a sporty sedan is left open for interpretation, as there is no clear definition, only subjective ones.

Personally, I don’t think it needs to be track-worthy either. To me, If the car is fun to drive fast and hard when called upon, then it obviously is more ‘sporty’ than a car that can’t. And if it has 4 doors, sporty sedan is completely valid. Now, is it a sport sedan, even though there is no clear definition? Again, all relative.
We disagree here. The M3, ATS-V, CTS-V, RS4, Panamenera GTS, etc. etc. are sport sedans. The purpose of them is to be that low riding, nimble formula that people love, while maintaining a shred of practicality by having 4 doors. The Continental is a very different beast, and IMHO, a way more well-rounded and enjoyable ride. But definitely not a sport-sedan.

Unless of course we wanna say CTS-VSports, Continentals/3.0MKZs, 335is, S4s, etc etc are sport-sedans, and the above vehicles are super-sedans, but now I'm just being silly.
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http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...wd-test-review Caddy just sent in the CT6. Awesome car.
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...we still think the ride is firmer than buyers of large luxury sedans are looking for...
...we have to wonder if Cadillac’s dynamics-first focus is what will resonate with the buyers it seeks.
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We disagree here. The M3, ATS-V, CTS-V, RS4, Panamenera GTS, etc. etc. are sport sedans. The purpose of them is to be that low riding, nimble formula that people love, while maintaining a shred of practicality by having 4 doors. The Continental is a very different beast, and IMHO, a way more well-rounded and enjoyable ride. But definitely not a sport-sedan.

Unless of course we wanna say CTS-VSports, Continentals/3.0MKZs, 335is, S4s, etc etc are sport-sedans, and the above vehicles are super-sedans, but now I'm just being silly.

I think there are just different degrees of sport sedan. I also don't think power levels designate which are or are not, just as 200hp sport coupe is no less sporty than a 800hp sport coupe.

I think the Conti is difficult to neatly classify as pure luxury, because of all the hardware (Eagle F1's, advanced AWD, vari dampening/steering and 400hp). I think it can carve it's niche straddling both luxury and sport.

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