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guess I'm now/lately hoping the USFiesta moves onto a shorty-wheelbase version of the ngFocus
cuz in addition to a possibly desirable (for me) hatchling
it could lead to splitting the MKC in TWO = slightly smaller & a Macan-size
Making a Fiesta by chopping a larger car like the Focus will definitely lead to packaging problems and probably unwanted weight.
Now if Ford made a fully scalable modular platform like its competitors, it would give them more flexibility.
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The current gen MKC is, for the most part, a nice looking compact CUV, inside and out and how it performs. But the problem is as I see it, is with it's fit in the market segment. What seems to have happened is that Lincoln took the 40+ 'Quiet Luxury' playbook, and applied it to the C-Segment CUV where the market is the high 20s and low to mid 30s. Nice product, but the wrong audience for maximum penetration.

Which brings up the question, what should Lincoln do with the next gen MKC so it's a better fit for the segment it competes?




Looking at sales since the MKC was launched, the Lexus NX coming late to the game, has dominated the segment with more than double the MKC sales for 2016. The design was polarizing, with many wondering what Lexus was doing. But apparently, Lexus knew what they were doing....targeting the younger market segment directly. This segment is loud and in your face not quiet and reserved which for that demographic = old.
I can agree with some of what you said. The production MKC does look frumpy compared to the concept. I don't know if you ever saw the concept, but it was much more sleek and sporty looking than what we ended up getting, and likely would've better appealed to the younger audience you're talking about. The production model, while nice, is more upright and less sporty, which hurt that image.

In regards to the NX, I think the biggest reason for its success is the strength of the Lexus brand more so than the NX itself. I've been in a few, and I just can't see how anyone likes the bizarre shapes on the interior (that applies to anything Lexus these days for that matter). I will admit, though, aside from the new LC, the NX is my "favorite" of the Lexus designs (I don't like it, but something about it seems like they got the design right compared to the other models). I think they cruise on reputation that helps people get past the strange styling direction they've gone with. Lincoln currently doesn't have that reputation, they have to work to build that.

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As cliche as this sounds, I'd love for the interior of a new MKC to resemble that of the new Navigator, but in a small package. The new Navigator has a youthful yet sophisticated interior, and I can see that in the MKC and every upcoming Lincoln. The new Lexus interiors are way too gaudy and overly styled in my opinion. I obviously want Lincoln to progress but I don't want them to be so in your face with a weird design like Lexus. I feel like they're going for a more simplified chique Audi/Jaguar aesthetic.
Oh I for sure think we'll see Navigator's interior be the standard for Lincoln interiors going forward - both in quality and design/look. I think Navigator's interior looks great - it's a luxurious look, but is clean and not overstyled.

The thing I'm curious to see is whether the crossovers retain the more curvy design language of the current MKC and MKX or if they go a more boxy, mini Navigator/Range Rover design direction.
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I don't think the MKC needs to be overly sporty, just needs to be comfortable and quiet with decent driving dynamics. Looks wise they don't need to go crazy, Audi sells well and they do most bland designs. Need to put an emphasis on further differentiating it from the Escape and making sure fit and finish as well as materials are top notch. Wouldnt mind seeing a bit more power though, we the the 2.3 has got it.
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pRe-tro-edit: just remembered how some/many of us were thinking/expecting/hoping the MKC would have a (slightly) long wlb than the Escape.
Whatever FLincmoco does next, reallyREALLY want to see a *bit* of differentiation there!!

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a thread elsewhere is bringing up (heartburn-ly) some speculation that the rumored 4-door version of a 2-door Bronco MIGHT be the Aviator...

...since I've never met a hallucination I didn't like,
WHAT IF
the smaller Bronco formed the basis for a small Lincoln SUV, Plus
Lincoln keeping a smaller than X (maCAN!**), bigger than C CUV
? ...no idea how they could best differentiate them size-wise

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I don't think the MKC needs to be overly sporty, just needs to be comfortable and quiet with decent driving dynamics. Looks wise they don't need to go crazy, Audi sells well and they do most bland designs. Need to put an emphasis on further differentiating it from the Escape and making sure fit and finish as well as materials are top notch.
I wouldn't exactly call the Q5 bland, it's clean and the proportions are nice.

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Concept MKC with nice athletic Audi-rivaling proportions...

...production MKC with stubby proportions.

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Not just Audi rivaling, it would be the best looking small CUV ever produced IMO. Seriously, this and the Continental are two of the best concepts of the last decade!
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This is far more attractive than the Audi.

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This is far more attractive than the Audi.

Ironically, that clamshell hatch was inspired by Audi crossovers.
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This is far more attractive than the Audi.

From that angle, sure. It's plump, frumpy, your pick. While the Audi isn't stylish or exciting it doesn't look pregnant.
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If Lincoln actually made the MKC Concept as the next gen or evolution of the MKC, a cleaner more modern design with a new front end and sharper edges, less black cladding and without the clamshell hatch it would do well. MKC does have good DNA to work with.

Notice how much cleaner the profile is of the MKX(which is closer to the concept than MKC) without the additional cut lines of the clamshell hatch.

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