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I mean, that arrangement is no different than how it is on the Navigator and Aviator. I haven't seen too many people complain about it on the Navigator, they say it feels and looks more quality as piano keys compared to what we have now. I think it looks great!
I don't care how it looks. When it comes to something as basic as this, form should follow function. Maybe most owners tolerate it, but do they like it? Or more to the point, if a traditional shifter were used, would anybody really say, "I wish I didn't have to deal with that shifter. Why can't Lincoln give us some stylish buttons that require far more focus and attention than should be necessary."?

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I don't care how it looks. When it comes to something as basic as this, form should follow function. Maybe most owners tolerate it, but do they like it? Or more to the point, if a traditional shifter were used, would anybody really say, "I wish I didn't have to deal with that shifter. Why can't Lincoln give us some stylish buttons that require far more focus and attention than should be necessary."?
You are the first guy that complain for the transmision buttons on the new Lincolns. Even the journalist from the automagazines love the Lincoln’s interior, incluiding those trans controls.

Evidently, you didnt find real bad things in Lincoln’s interiors.

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You are the first guy that complain for the transmision buttons on the new Lincolns. Even the journalist from the automagazines love the Lincoln’s interior, incluiding those trans controls.

Evidently, you didnt find real bad things in Lincoln’s interiors.
Maybe I'm the first guy here. I'm hardly the only person that has a problem with the trend toward gimmicky electronic shifters.

Show me a review that praises the functionality of the Navi's transmission buttons ... Just one review that claims it's better than a traditional shifter in any meaningful way. Yes, the buttons have been described as "elegant" and "high quality", but I'm not debating the aesthetics here. I appreciate a stylish interior as much as the next person, but only when ergonomics aren't compromised as a result. I don't complain about the tablet style infotainment screens because I understand that there's a method to the madness. I think some of them look terrible (the 2020 Explorer's upgraded version, for example), but I also appreciate that the design is less distracting and generally easier to use, so I'll never complain about it.

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Maybe I'm the first guy here. I'm hardly the only person that has a problem with the trend toward gimmicky electronic shifters.

Show me a review that praises the functionality of the Navi's transmission buttons ... Just one review that claims it's better than a traditional shifter in any meaningful way. Yes, the buttons have been described as "elegant" and "high quality", but I'm not debating the aesthetics here. I appreciate a stylish interior as much as the next person, but only when ergonomics aren't compromised as a result. I don't complain about the tablet style infotainment screens because I understand that there's a method to the madness. I think some of them look terrible (the 2020 Explorer's upgraded version, for example), but I also appreciate that the design is less distracting and generally easier to use, so I'll never complain about it.
The traditional shifter is still nothing more than a large electronic switch as there is no physical connection like there used to be. Buttons, dials, levers, and traditional shifters, they are all doing nothing more than sending an electronic signal. Lincoln's buttons clear up space on the center console for more utilitarian things, though they're not always used as such. Unless you have a manual transmission you're just choosing how to decorate the cabin with each type of shift mechanism.
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The traditional shifter is still nothing more than a large electronic switch as there is no physical connection like there used to be. Buttons, dials, levers, and traditional shifters, they are all doing nothing more than sending an electronic signal. Lincoln's buttons clear up space on the center console for more utilitarian things, though they're not always used as such. Unless you have a manual transmission you're just choosing how to decorate the cabin with each type of shift mechanism.
It doesn't matter if it's mechanical or by-wire. The system we've been using for decades is simple and intuitive. It just works. And I have never once said, man, I wish this shift lever wasn't on the console right where my hand falls. It's not like I'm the only person railing against this trend.

Call me stubborn or closed-minded, but my mind won't be changed on this. I've sampled most of the e-shifter configurations -- rotary dials, column stalks, console stalks, console push-buttons and dash push-buttons, and while some are better than others for sure, I have yet to find one that's as good as a traditional shifter. If it ain't broke ...

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Although I need to see the final product to really comment, I don't think I will like it.
But there is a functional benefit to having buttons. When you brake to a stop as you park, all one has to do is hit the start/stop button, and it automatically puts it in park. I like that much better than clicking upwards to P and then shutting off the motor. And of course, putting it in D is a tad easier as well.
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I've never had an issue with any of Lincoln's push button transmission controls. I've genuinely loved it. Clears up space, and extremely quick and simple to use. Was it a slight mental adjustment initially? Absolutely. The hand naturally wants to go towards where stereotypical shifters are. But once you get adjusted, it's smooth sailing.

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It doesn't matter if it's mechanical or by-wire. The system we've been using for decades is simple and intuitive. It just works. And I have never once said, man, I wish this shift lever wasn't on the console right where my hand falls. It's not like I'm the only person railing against this trend.

Call me stubborn or closed-minded, but my mind won't be changed on this. I've sampled most of the e-shifter configurations -- rotary dials, column stalks, console stalks, console push-buttons and dash push-buttons, and while some are better than others for sure, I have yet to find one that's as good as a traditional shifter. If it ain't broke ...
You're stubborn AND closed-minded! As for my preference I agree and would much prefer a traditional console mounted shifter to a dial, buttons, or column mounted shifter. Even so, I understand why they'd change it up.
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It doesn't matter if it's mechanical or by-wire. The system we've been using for decades is simple and intuitive. It just works. And I have never once said, man, I wish this shift lever wasn't on the console right where my hand falls. It's not like I'm the only person railing against this trend.

Call me stubborn or closed-minded, but my mind won't be changed on this. I've sampled most of the e-shifter configurations -- rotary dials, column stalks, console stalks, console push-buttons and dash push-buttons, and while some are better than others for sure, I have yet to find one that's as good as a traditional shifter. If it ain't broke ...



For decades, you used paper plans to guide you and get where you were on your trip. Now there are the navigation systems. That is called evolution, move forward. You no longer have a lever for transmission, since it is electronic. It is a matter of adapting to the new times. If it were not for that, we would still be traveling on horseback.


And, yes.

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You are closed-minded.

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For decades, you used paper plans to guide you and get where you were on your trip. Now there are the navigation systems. That is called evolution, move forward. You no longer have a lever for transmission, since it is electronic. It is a matter of adapting to the new times. If it were not for that, we would still be traveling on horseback.
Majority of shifts are done when the car is stopped, which is why changing the design is okay. It still needs to be intuitive and understandable though. Anything the driver uses while driving needs extra planning and care before being innovated.
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