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post #11 of 33 (permalink) Old 01-22-2018, 12:36 AM Thread Starter
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Maybe it was the photographer then!
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Oddly, your photos of the Silverado front made it look pretty bad. Before seeing your shots, I thought it looked decent, but now I have to change my mind.


On the other hand, I wasn't too sure about the Expedition grill, but your phots made it look better, and more integrated than the glamour shots.


I wonder if the Edge fuel cap is larger to allow for a plug-in charge point. Do other vehicles have the plug near the fuel filler, or is that too dangerous? I wonder if the next Explorer will borrow stying from the Edge or Expedition.

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Oddly, your photos of the Silverado front made it look pretty bad. Before seeing your shots, I thought it looked decent, but now I have to change my mind.


On the other hand, I wasn't too sure about the Expedition grill, but your phots made it look better, and more integrated than the glamour shots.


I wonder if the Edge fuel cap is larger to allow for a plug-in charge point. Do other vehicles have the plug near the fuel filler, or is that too dangerous? I wonder if the next Explorer will borrow stying from the Edge or Expedition.
Expedition thrives on the details, it's a fairly simple design otherwise. The Silverados they had on the display didn't float my boat, but I know there are versions that are much more impressive. I think the Silverado will be a little more refreshing on the road than it is on the stands. Neither Ram, Chevy, or Ford resemble each other at all which is nice.

I think the extra space in the filler door is for Diesel equipped models sold internationally, it's commonly seen on pickups with Urea injection ports. Without doing more research I didn't think they appeared on passenger vehicles.

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Oh...and weirdly, the new Ford Edge had a bigger fuel filler door, presumably the one used for the Diesel Edges...not sure if that was just a pre-production oversight or not.
I have a question about the Edge which you may or may not be able to answer......

Do you know if the high beams are now part of the projector?


I have an Edge as a loaner while my car is getting repaired, and it has projector low beams (halogen, not HID), and the high beams are a separate regular (non projector) halogen light, and it looks terrible. I know higher trims (like Sport) have the same setup, but HID projectors. I'm hopeful the 2019 solves that, but I can't tell from pictures. It looks like there's a spot for a halogen light of some sort on the inside of the projectors, but I can't tell if that's for a turn signal or a high beam.

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Oddly, your photos of the Silverado front made it look pretty bad. Before seeing your shots, I thought it looked decent, but now I have to change my mind.
There were certain Silverado trims that I didn't mind in pictures, but after seeing these, it looks terrible. Maybe it'll look better in person.

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The new Edge does get standard Bi-LED headlamps, which means all the fixtures are LED with a quad-style setup. That's a tremendous step up from current model. Also available is the 360-camera system from the MKX. Bravo Ford, Lincoln makes it really expensive to get LEDs on their cars while Ford makes them standard. What I'm not clear on is if the tail light LED accent lighting is still optional.

Silverado looks more bland in person, at least in those trim levels. The fascia brings some attention to itself but it's going to be a love it or hate it proposition. I'm sure people will get use to it regardless.
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The new Edge does get standard Bi-LED headlamps, which means all the fixtures are LED with a quad-style setup. That's a tremendous step up from current model. Also available is the 360-camera system from the MKX. Bravo Ford, Lincoln makes it really expensive to get LEDs on their cars while Ford makes them standard. What I'm not clear on is if the tail light LED accent lighting is still optional.

Silverado looks more bland in person, at least in those trim levels. The fascia brings some attention to itself but it's going to be a love it or hate it proposition. I'm sure people will get use to it regardless.
Ah, perfect! I also agree that it doesn't make sense that the Ford models get them standard, when you have to pay extra for them on Lincolns (often bundled with the Revel sound system for $4k+). Unless they've only shown top level Nautilii (or is it Nautiluses?), it seems like Nautilus gets the 5-star LED headlight setup standard (which is how it should be across the lineup.

What taillight LED accent lighting? Oh you mean the red part being illuminated as opposed to the silver part being the running light. Yeah, with the current model it's only on top trims. My guess is since they removed the full width lightbar, that it may mean the red LED accent lighting might be standard now too.

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Ah, perfect! I also agree that it doesn't make sense that the Ford models get them standard, when you have to pay extra for them on Lincolns (often bundled with the Revel sound system for $4k+). Unless they've only shown top level Nautilii (or is it Nautiluses?), it seems like Nautilus gets the 5-star LED headlight setup standard (which is how it should be across the lineup.

What taillight LED accent lighting? Oh you mean the red part being illuminated as opposed to the silver part being the running light. Yeah, with the current model it's only on top trims. My guess is since they removed the full width lightbar, that it may mean the red LED accent lighting might be standard now too.
I believe LEDs are standard on the new Navigator, while Halogen is standard on all other Lincolns with optional HID. LEDs are bundled with high level packages only. I can somewhat understand Lincoln's reasoning since it drives the upsell which is standard practice in luxury, but their fixtures tend to do a little more (adapt) and work a bit better (Continental LEDs are rated Excellent while the LEDs on the F-150 and Explorer are rated poor - IIHS). But the trick is to make a set of standard LED headlamps with an upsell LED fixture which we see in the Germans quite a bit. Ford of Europe has some great headlight tech which is restricted in the US.

And yes, I'm talking about the red accent strip which use to be optionally lit on Fusion and Edge (Fusion is now standard I believe with the 2017 update).

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I visited the show today. Overall it was a disappointing. Unless you're a truck guy/gal, that is. Fewer brands are making the investment in the Detroit venue, and concept cars seem to be a dying breed. Every Mercedes model was locked today, and half of the Audis were, too. The Regal GS, which should be available any day now, was on a display stand and off limits. (WTF, Buick?) The Stinger looks better every time I see it. Jeep absolutely nailed it with the Wrangler. I really like the look of the Edge ST, but I remain concerned that comfort will be compromised. If I go FoMoCo, it might be the impressive Nautilus for me. The Ranger looks ok, but I'm far from blown away. The new Ram, on the other hand, looks great. Sophisticated styling with lots of smart touches. Sorry Ford guys, if I were buying a full size pickup, Ram would be at the top of the list.
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I visited the show today. Overall it was a disappointing. Unless you're a truck guy/gal, that is. Fewer brands are making the investment in the Detroit venue, and concept cars seem to be a dying breed. Every Mercedes model was locked today, and half of the Audis were, too. The Regal GS, which should be available any day now, was on a display stand and off limits. (WTF, Buick?) The Stinger looks better every time I see it. Jeep absolutely nailed it with the Wrangler. I really like the look of the Edge ST, but I remain concerned that comfort will be compromised. If I go FoMoCo, it might be the impressive Nautilus for me. The Ranger looks ok, but I'm far from blown away. The new Ram, on the other hand, looks great. Sophisticated styling with lots of smart touches. Sorry Ford guys, if I were buying a full size pickup, Ram would be at the top of the list.
The Detroit Show is getting pretty thin now and there is certainly less reason to attend than before, but Ford puts on a great show so if you're a Ford fan, there is plenty to see. And indeed the only Germans leaving their vehicles unlocked are VW and BMW.

Jeep and RAM definitely win the award for most improved, the RAM has found a clear way to standout in the truck segment while Chevy hasn't.

Ranger is more substance than style for sure, it has a ton of class exclusive amenities and features that still make it compelling if you want to spend some money on it. It's clear they spent all their time bring it up to code for North American Ford customers. The Raptor should infuse the brand with badly needed excitement however.
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The Detroit Show is getting pretty thin now and there is certainly less reason to attend than before, but Ford puts on a great show so if you're a Ford fan, there is plenty to see. And indeed the only Germans leaving their vehicles unlocked are VW and BMW.

Jeep and RAM definitely win the award for most improved, the RAM has found a clear way to standout in the truck segment while Chevy hasn't.

Ranger is more substance than style for sure, it has a ton of class exclusive amenities and features that still make it compelling if you want to spend some money on it. It's clear they spent all their time bring it up to code for North American Ford customers. The Raptor should infuse the brand with badly needed excitement however.
What are your thoughts on Pete De Lorenzo's opinion that they should move the Detroit show to June? Do you think it would have an impact?

I know you've seen it in person and I haven't, but RAM stands out by being more generic looking?

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