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post #1 of 56 (permalink) Old 11-16-2018, 10:23 AM Thread Starter
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1000 mile trip uses 40 gal of gas or 286 lbs of coal

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...jm_bXk7l9FzvtY

New Yorkers looking to escape the winter chill by driving to Daytona Beach, Florida, would use about 40 gallons of gasoline to traverse the 1,000 miles in a Chevrolet Impala.

Switch that gas guzzler out for an electron-eating EV and the equation changes. A Tesla Model S traveling the same distance would need power generated by about 2,500 cubic feet of natural gas, 286 pounds of coal or 33 minutes of blades spinning on a giant offshore wind turbine to make the same journey.
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Re: 1000 mile trip uses 40 gal of gas or 286 lbs of coal

Glad someone finally did the math here.
Notice how coal and gas produce are not that dissimilar CO2 (350kg vs 310kg).

I bet that 40 gal of gas could easily drop to only about 25-30 gal, using Ford's new hybrid system launching next year. That means CO2 drops to about 220 kg as well and well below a BEV.
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Re: 1000 mile trip uses 40 gal of gas or 286 lbs of coal

I, too, am not convinced that a wholesale changeover to BEVs is immanent in the immediate future. The infrastructure is not there for electric power generation nor for distribution to support a massive transition to BEVs.

Hybrids, however, need to move toward larger capacity batteries and more sophisticated regenerative regimes to give the best possible efficiencies. Sooner or later, vehicles with lower frontal areas, better aerodynamics and lighter weights will make a comeback. Sedans anyone?
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Re: 1000 mile trip uses 40 gal of gas or 286 lbs of coal

Hybrids, until now, were never designed as full hybrids. Not a single one of them. I think there is plenty of room to improve, starting with an ICE that is designed as part of a hybrid system, not just a current engine with different cam timing, like is used today. Then of course better regenerative systems and more efficient motors and storage batteries. Ford's next gen systems will incorporate all of the above. 50-60 mpg becomes the norm, instead of 35-45mpg. Then there is the PHEV, which I believe will challenge BEV the most, possibly reaching over 120 mpge and battery only range of about 50miles, or enough for most people for a day of driving, to allow plugging in again at night. Literally zero compromise or range anxiety. The CO2 emitted is much less than BEV. And available soon by Ford. And this is with taller CUV-ish vehicles as well. Obviously all that could improve with a sedan, but since those benefits do not sway customers today, Ford is betting they won't sway them with improvements either.
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40% of the energy production in my region is nuke, 10% hydro, 4% renewable, 20% natgas. All cleaner than gas. In fact, they'll be mothballing two coal plants soon.
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Re: 1000 mile trip uses 40 gal of gas or 286 lbs of coal

Cue incoming "Tesla is perfection, Model 3 means sedans aren't dying, don't question Tesla" comments from a certain poster.... haha

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Really it all depends on what you do with the vehicle - if you literally never go anywhere but a few miles from your house, a BEV is a realistic option. But if you run around a lot, or go on longer trips, a PHEV is the best of both worlds - save gas using the electric charge, and zero range anxiety as you can just fill up.

As someone pointed out, the system isn't ready for a complete shift to BEVs yet. Can it get there? I'm sure it can, but it's not ready yet. At the moment, unless you operate on renewables, all that's being done is the pollution is shifted from one area (currently the car itself), to other areas - the power facility (again, if not renewable), battery production, etc.

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Cue incoming "Tesla is perfection, Model 3 means sedans aren't dying, don't question Tesla" comments from a certain poster.... haha

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Really it all depends on what you do with the vehicle - if you literally never go anywhere but a few miles from your house, a BEV is a realistic option. But if you run around a lot, or go on longer trips, a PHEV is the best of both worlds - save gas using the electric charge, and zero range anxiety as you can just fill up.

As someone pointed out, the system isn't ready for a complete shift to BEVs yet. Can it get there? I'm sure it can, but it's not ready yet. At the moment, unless you operate on renewables, all that's being done is the pollution is shifted from one area (currently the car itself), to other areas - the power facility (again, if not renewable), battery production, etc.
BINGO.
If you punish users of fossil fuels through taxation and higher product costs because technology is not ready for large scale usage, you have Paris riots on your hand. The changes to cleaner energy are coming, and have been coming for decades. I am all for the migration away from fossil fuels, but I am totally against the fake alarmist manufactured drama that if we donít change now, we are doomed in the future. Complete nonsense. If you believe the threat through questionable math models, that a 2 deg increase in global temps is at risk in 80 years dramatically altering our way of life, while ignoring the fact that our planet has already had a similar increase in the past Ė you are an unrealistic alarmist. Never mind the fact that nobody can prove or disprove it is our doing in the first place, which then again raises the question of how then did it already happen 50K years ago?
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Re: 1000 mile trip uses 40 gal of gas or 286 lbs of coal

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Cue incoming "Tesla is perfection, Model 3 means sedans aren't dying, don't question Tesla" comments from a certain poster.... haha

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Really it all depends on what you do with the vehicle - if you literally never go anywhere but a few miles from your house, a BEV is a realistic option. But if you run around a lot, or go on longer trips, a PHEV is the best of both worlds - save gas using the electric charge, and zero range anxiety as you can just fill up.

As someone pointed out, the system isn't ready for a complete shift to BEVs yet. Can it get there? I'm sure it can, but it's not ready yet. At the moment, unless you operate on renewables, all that's being done is the pollution is shifted from one area (currently the car itself), to other areas - the power facility (again, if not renewable), battery production, etc.
That we've not embraced nuclear is absurd. If you believe climate change is real and man is the cause you can choose to either destroy the worlds economies, or nuclear, because clean/renewables aren't ready.
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Re: 1000 mile trip uses 40 gal of gas or 286 lbs of coal

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That we've not embraced nuclear is absurd. If you believe climate change is real and man is the cause you can choose to either destroy the worlds economies, or nuclear, because clean/renewables aren't ready.
Be like the French, close down all coal fired power plants and move to 100% Nuclear power....
that way, the French proclaimed themselves clean and green and then challenged every other
euro country to lower their greenhouse emissions..
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Be like the French, close down all coal fired power plants and move to 100% Nuclear power....
that way, the French proclaimed themselves clean and green and then challenged every other
euro country to lower their greenhouse emissions..
And if it suddenly costs $7 to fuel my car, I will join the many others who will surely riot and burn down DC.

Just say the word.
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