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post #201 of 709 (permalink) Old 06-23-2017, 11:20 AM
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Ford small cars have had IRS since the 1991 Escort...at least.

I wonder if Ford is willing to do this to cut cost and weight and somehow made it tolerable enough for the masses in China and the US. But we probably don't want to jump the gun just yet and assume anything. The Chinese Escort also has a twist-beam suspension so it's possible this is where it's coming from.
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One thing that does not get mentioned when speaking about rear suspension set ups is how it effects what engineers are able to do with the front dynamics. And also the Foci's IRS was not your standard run of the mill IRS, it was the control blade that made it better than the norm.

This to me this is why the Focus has and is the best compact driving car. The control blade multi link set up allowed the front end suspension and steering to be so great. If you doubt me ask the man who developed the Focus Richard Parry-Jones, I am very sure he will 100% agree.

Ford putting the twist beam in the Focus is a cost saving measure, and a sure sign that it's priority with HQ in Dearborn is moving on down the line of what is important. In markets were the Focus is losing its reason or business case is were its development will be finance led not engineered led. I think we will see these differences with the MK4 when compared to what it is in EU compared to North America.

Yeah the article is full of what the next Focus and more variants will come to North America, but I really believe those other variants will be derivatives of the Focus, and the Focus will be made to embarrass itself out of its existence. Cause that's how Ford N.A. rolls.

Regarding the Focus in China, I am not sure why some in N.A. assume that the Chinese are not car savy in the sense that they demand good engineered cars.
The Escort fills the budget minded compact car shopper there. The Focus is seen as a premium compact and I highly doubt Ford HQ will be that stupid to dumb down what is considered in China to be a top notch compact car.

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The Chinese small car market is incredibly diverse and split among very similar products, but like the US the small car market is primarily economy focused, the Chinese don't want to buy posh small cars anymore than Americans since that money can buy something more significant like an SUV. That might change if gas prices are higher of course but there are so many small FE SUV options arriving every day.
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I'm really hoping we continue to get the IRS in the US. The Gen 3 Focus has some of the best chassis tuning I've experienced from a stock car. My Focus is a blast, the doesnt understeer as badly as many FWD cars, you cant actually rotate the rear a little bit.
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Ford putting the twist beam in the Focus is a cost saving measure, and a sure sign that it's priority with HQ in Dearborn is moving on down the line of what is important. In markets were the Focus is losing its reason or business case is were its development will be finance led not engineered led. I think we will see these differences with the MK4 when compared to what it is in EU compared to North America.
Non-Euro version with a twist beam, or maybe all non-performance models globally get this type of suspension?



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Regarding the Focus in China, I am not sure why some in N.A. assume that the Chinese are not car savy in the sense that they demand good engineered cars.
I think the bad reputation came from earlier Chinese cars which often times failed crash tests due to lack of safety regulations.

The Focus is obviously not one of these cars, like the current one, the Mk4 will be a global model that will also be made in China. All the mandatory US stuff will definitely be there.

John McElroy of Autoline pointed out that the second best selling Buick in the US is the Chinese-made Envision.
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It could either be incredibly clever or incredibly mediocre if they go with twist beam, they must have a good reason for it. The Focus has always been a critical favorite but customers generally don't like them because of poor quality, FE, value, etc. Great chassis dynamics only gets your customers so far...perhaps this helps to fix some of the other bigger problems. In either case I don't really have much confidence in Ford's US Focus considering how inconsistent they've been since the car came out in 2000.
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Ford's focus (pun intended) in America with one of the top selling cars in the world is shocking, to say the least. They have one of the best handling cars in the Focus also but they are doing with it what they did to all their US built cars. Why are the Japanese and Koreans so successful? Because of continual upgrades. Yearly, even if it's purely cosmetic. It's the Toyota philosophy and it's winning people over. you don't always need a new platform like I see some of the posters suggest, that's great and all but a lot of the cars outselling Ford are based off chassis from way back when but adapted for today's needs. And then the manufacturers call it a new chassis. Which is technically correct, it is still very much based on the same old underpinnings. A lot of posters are frustrated with Ford's glacial approach to updating their vehicles, instead of letting it die. Look At the Flex. If they updated it as the Koreans would have done, that vehicle would have been much much better. Small incremental upgrades add up over time and soon you'll be best in class because competition doesn't stand still. Just engineer the niggles out what the platform allows and the design the completely new car with all those improvements in. Also, I've noticed the American Fords appear to look much cheaper and less reliable than the European ones. So a twist beam axle won't surprise me. I drive a Ford Focus daily and a lot of the complaints regarding fit and finish is "foreign" to me. Please, Ford, take note, up the quality of your American cars and they'll sell. Also, it gives the salesmen at the dealerships something new to promote instead of "same as the last year". The younger generation changes their cars quicker than the older folk and if you don't have anything new to offer, they'll go elsewhere.
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Give people more options on how to customize their cars.

Don't have people stuck with one engine choice and one transmission choice. Have at least two or three of each with different combinations.

Update subtle looks, speed and placement of features in Sync 3 every year to make it on par or better than the best infotainment out there.

Offer every car with some version of every color of the rainbow. Not literally, but black, white, silver for basic colors. Offer at least 1 brown exterior color option. Brown tends to make the car look more mature. Then a few variations of reds, oranges (think bronze), yellows, greens, blues, purples (think eggplant), grays. Make a light color interior available no matter what trim level you buy.

Have a four or two spoke steering wheel for luxury/economy trims and three spoke option for sporty trims. (or some variation on that)

Most importantly make small changes that address people's complaints about the cars.

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Here is an example color chart that I made.
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Ford's focus (pun intended) in America with one of the top selling cars in the world is shocking, to say the least. They have one of the best handling cars in the Focus also but they are doing with it what they did to all their US built cars. Why are the Japanese and Koreans so successful? Because of continual upgrades. Yearly, even if it's purely cosmetic. It's the Toyota philosophy and it's winning people over. you don't always need a new platform like I see some of the posters suggest, that's great and all but a lot of the cars outselling Ford are based off chassis from way back when but adapted for today's needs. And then the manufacturers call it a new chassis. Which is technically correct, it is still very much based on the same old underpinnings. A lot of posters are frustrated with Ford's glacial approach to updating their vehicles, instead of letting it die. Look At the Flex. If they updated it as the Koreans would have done, that vehicle would have been much much better. Small incremental upgrades add up over time and soon you'll be best in class because competition doesn't stand still. Just engineer the niggles out what the platform allows and the design the completely new car with all those improvements in. Also, I've noticed the American Fords appear to look much cheaper and less reliable than the European ones. So a twist beam axle won't surprise me. I drive a Ford Focus daily and a lot of the complaints regarding fit and finish is "foreign" to me. Please, Ford, take note, up the quality of your American cars and they'll sell. Also, it gives the salesmen at the dealerships something new to promote instead of "same as the last year". The younger generation changes their cars quicker than the older folk and if you don't have anything new to offer, they'll go elsewhere.
Well said.

Ford N.A. does the opposite and takes away this and that year after year the dumb FOOKS!

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