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Assimilator 08-17-2018 07:01 PM

9 New Nameplates by 2023
 
Product boss Hau Thai Tang is promising 9 new nameplates by 2023 to replace all of the products being phased out (Fiesta, Focus, Fusion, Flex, Taurus, C-Max). That would mean 23 vehicles by 2023, up from 20 today.

http://www.autonews....3-nameplates-by

I have a hard time counting to 20 today but here is my best shot.

Fiesta
Focus
Fusion
Mustang
Taurus
EcoSport
Escape
Edge
Explorer
Flex
Expedition
F-150
SuperDuty
Transit Connect
Transit
Ford GT

F-150 Raptor
Focus RS
Focus ST
Fiesta ST

The 9 New Nameplates...(7 of 9 will be Trucks or Utilities)

Truck/Utility:
Bronco
Ranger
Maverick
Ford BEV
Courier Truck
Courier Crossover (My information shows two vehicles with the same number but a P or CX prefix)
Mondeo-based Utility

Other:
Transit Van AV
Focus Active


Some of the BEVs, HEVs, and PHEVs to note:

Explorer: 3.3L V6 HEV
Explorer: 3.0L PHEV (Global Only)
Escape: 2.5L HEV/PHEV
Maverick: 2.5L HEV
F-150: 3.5L EB HEV and a BEV (shhh!)
Bronco: 2.7L EB HEV
Mustang: 5.0L V8 HEV

Some Transit HEVs and a BEV too.

The Hybrid system on the RWD Fords are built into the transmission and not part of the engine which is why it can be applied to so many things.

Bloggin 08-17-2018 10:01 PM

Re: 9 New Nameplates by 2023
 
Don't forget Aviator, Corsair..... But without specifics, Ford gives themselves a lot of leeway with 'nameplates', and a Explorer HEV and Explorer PHEV could be two nameplates for Ford.

wingsnut 08-18-2018 11:18 AM

Re: 9 New Nameplates by 2023
 
I am not sure how they differentiate "new" nameplates exactly, but I do have what I believe to be an updated spreadsheet list of every vehicle out past 2026, and there sure is a lot new. And if you include Lincoln in the mix, the number is well into the double digits. Also, as Ford has stated many times now, there is more than 1 BEV that will be all new by 2023. Simple logic would suggest, that if you are going in heavy, why only do 1? That is just dumb.

Nihar Mazumdar 08-18-2018 12:05 PM

Re: 9 New Nameplates by 2023
 
Because their management sucks. But that's not anything new now.

rmc523 08-18-2018 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wingsnut (Post 405536)
I am not sure how they differentiate "new" nameplates exactly, but I do have what I believe to be an updated spreadsheet list of every vehicle out past 2026, and there sure is a lot new. And if you include Lincoln in the mix, the number is well into the double digits. Also, as Ford has stated many times now, there is more than 1 BEV that will be all new by 2023. Simple logic would suggest, that if you are going in heavy, why only do 1? That is just dumb.

Hmm care to share anything? Perhaps privately?

wingsnut 08-18-2018 01:48 PM

Re: 9 New Nameplates by 2023
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rmc523 (Post 405542)
Hmm care to share anything? Perhaps privately?

Because Ford is so secretive, then I must be as well. I will offer some comments and hope with minimal details, usually in the same vein as what Ford announces, but certainly no specifics. Best I can do. Best I want to do actually. And honestly, do you really want Ford to unleash all their plans?

wingsnut 08-18-2018 01:49 PM

Re: 9 New Nameplates by 2023
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nihar Mazumdar (Post 405538)
Because their management sucks. But that's not anything new now.

They have made mistakes, as does everyone, but I disagree.

pffan1990 08-18-2018 04:17 PM

Re: 9 New Nameplates by 2023
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by wingsnut (Post 405536)
I am not sure how they differentiate "new" nameplates exactly, but I do have what I believe to be an updated spreadsheet list of every vehicle out past 2026, and there sure is a lot new. And if you include Lincoln in the mix, the number is well into the double digits. Also, as Ford has stated many times now, there is more than 1 BEV that will be all new by 2023. Simple logic would suggest, that if you are going in heavy, why only do 1? That is just dumb.

I'm curious if this spreadsheet that you have include the list of actual nameplate names or just in codes? I remember seeing you mention that you got access of their upcoming vehicles in codenumbers. Is that what you see on nameplates or just only the codenumbers? Meaning you wouldn't know for sure if they are planning on bringing back the Thunderbird, for example. So if they are, you would only see the codenumber and not know specifically that this is the Thunderbird. Just wondering because I wish they would bring it back but they would likely turn it into a crossover though.





Quote:

Originally Posted by wingsnut (Post 405546)
Because Ford is so secretive, then I must be as well. I will offer some comments and hope with minimal details, usually in the same vein as what Ford announces, but certainly no specifics. Best I can do. Best I want to do actually. And honestly, do you really want Ford to unleash all their plans?

I understand and respect that. I was also going to ask if you could share some info privately but understand your reasoning. Also, I would be afraid about spoiling myself with future plans to a point that I wouldn't be able to wait so long. By the way, are you an employee of Ford as far as high up as part of executive? Or did you get access to the list as an employee yourself via another Ford employee that is higher up? Sorry for all questions. I'm really curious about this list and wish there's a way I could access it but understand your reasoning not to share publically and privately. :)

Assimilator 08-18-2018 05:16 PM

Re: 9 New Nameplates by 2023
 
There are 7 BEVs arriving by 2022 according to Ford, the C-EV(Mach1) is the only standalone Retail BEV.

There are several Transit/Connect BEVs and several F-150 BEV for 2021/22 which have a P702 code. It's possible most of those BEVs are geared for lower volume fleet or AV customers.

Ford will have a MUCH bigger Hybrid program than any other carmaker, but their BEV program is far less mature than GM, VW, Nissan, Toyota, etc. But I think the Ford C-EV will be the right product from the start, it's certainly more sensible to me than GM's BEVs and a little closer to what VW/Audi are doing. It may just be a matter of being late to the party but showing up in style.

wingsnut 08-18-2018 06:02 PM

Re: 9 New Nameplates by 2023
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pffan1990 (Post 405550)
I'm curious if this spreadsheet that you have include the list of actual nameplate names or just in codes? I remember seeing you mention that you got access of their upcoming vehicles in codenumbers. Is that what you see on nameplates or just only the codenumbers? Meaning you wouldn't know for sure if they are planning on bringing back the Thunderbird, for example. So if they are, you would only see the codenumber and not know specifically that this is the Thunderbird. Just wondering because I wish they would bring it back but they would likely turn it into a crossover though.






I understand and respect that. I was also going to ask if you could share some info privately but understand your reasoning. Also, I would be afraid about spoiling myself with future plans to a point that I wouldn't be able to wait so long. By the way, are you an employee of Ford as far as high up as part of executive? Or did you get access to the list as an employee yourself via another Ford employee that is higher up? Sorry for all questions. I'm really curious about this list and wish there's a way I could access it but understand your reasoning not to share publically and privately. :)

The list I have is code names/numbers.


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