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post #11 of 21 (permalink) Old 09-06-2018, 02:09 PM
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Re: Mondeo Gone too?

There is a new Mondeo and a companion Crossover in development, I'm already forgetting the date on that but I believe it's 2023. I'm not sure if the Mondeo project will survive since I've seen many projects fall victim to the rapid changes in the market. But the fact that Ford could still be working on a sedan is fascinating.

If the EU buys Ranger and Wrangler, they will buy Bronco too. I bet it would be a hit there.

As for Explorer, not too big at all, Land Rovers, Mercedes, Volvos, and Teslas are bigger! NG Explorer is way too good to leave at home, it would be a huge loss to Ford EU not to have it, it is by far their most advanced flagship product by miles. It won't sell in the huge numbers like the US, or be offered as cheaply, but it's a massive money earner.

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Ford is Dead.

Its like 2000 all over again when they killed off everything except trucks.

Why isn't anyone asking the Question "why can't ford make money on cars when the competition can"

When CUVs become commoditized, over-produced, and Low margin like cars of today hat will ford do?

It seems like the Chicken tax is the only thing Ford has going for it nowadays.

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Ford is Dead.

Its like 2000 all over again when they killed off everything except trucks.

Why isn't anyone asking the Question "why can't ford make money on cars when the competition can"

When CUVs become commoditized, over-produced, and Low margin like cars of today hat will ford do?

It seems like the Chicken tax is the only thing Ford has going for it nowadays.
Ford is just painting a picture of doom and gloom with its car profits to push the farce and accelerate their push marketing program for their high riders. At least that is the only thing I can think why a "car" company announces such a insane idea that they are quitting the car market. And it is working as I can see by the high riders club posters on the North American forums all excited about these tall box vehicles and the constant degrading of anyone who prefers a low center of gravity car.

Same crap they Ford are spewing about their Europe operations being in such trouble using BREXIT as its excuse which is a problem, but its a problem for all business's doing business with the UK. Is Ford the only one that cannot deal with or just another angle to use to stir the pot.

Ford brags that their Europe division is selling over 70% high trim vehicles and its high rider sales are smoking hot, but but but the operation is in BIG trouble and BIG changes and reductions are going to happen.

It all stinks of a big bowl of BS. But very happy for all the stock holders who think this is all going to be a gold mine idea, and the high rider club who seem happiest when all the neighbors have the same high riding machines in their driveways. Cookie cutter mentality at its best.
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Ford is Dead.
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I don't think they are dead, but it is true that they have been doing some things wrong

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Why isn't anyone asking the Question "why can't ford make money on cars when the competition can"
that is really the mystery and that is the right question. I don't know why they can't make money on cars when the everybody else does? If killing cars is such a good idea, why only Ford is doing it? Does Ford s*cks so much at "making" cars?
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Does anyone Remember the Five hundred?

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Ford has issued the following press release on the new Five Hundred (see attachment for its sibling, the Mercury Montego):

"Redefining the North American sedan is a tall order, but that�s what we set out to do with the all-new Ford Five Hundred, our new flagship. With the phenomena of trucks, sport utility vehicles and crossovers in full swing, we had to take a new approach to the sedan market. We took a look at the attributes that make crossovers popular � like high-package �command� seating � and sought to deliver some of those qualities in a sedan. While the industry tries to create new car-based crossovers, the Ford Five Hundred stands alone as the first crossover-based car." Phil Martens, Group Vice President, Product Creation, Ford North America

Ford Motor Company is launching the Year of the Car by introducing six new car and crossover models in 2004. One of the five that will wear the Blue Oval badge is the most significant, all-new sedan the industry has seen since the 1980s � the Ford Five Hundred.

The Five Hundred represents no less than the reinvention of the family car. It is a four-door sedan that boasts many of the advantages associated with sport utility vehicles and crossovers, including cargo capability, versatility, command-of-road seating and all-weather confidence.

Five Hundred accomplishes this by marrying the body of an upscale, contemporary sedan to an all-new, purpose-built crossover vehicle platform. The result is much more than a typical passenger car.

Five Hundred packages a big-car interior in a midsize body and includes one of the largest trunks available anywhere. It redefines comfort with highly flexible, upright command-of-road seating that positions drivers as much as four inches higher than traditional mid-size cars. And it offers Ford�s industry-leading safety technology � including state-of-the-art, side-impact and rollover protection.

Five Hundred�s all new continuously variable transmission and six-speed automatic provide an unprecedented combination of performance and economy. Its European-inspired chassis delivers a satisfying, responsive driving experience on North American roads.

New Ford Flagship
The all-new Five Hundred is designed to be the flagship sedan in the Ford stable, setting the stage for a complementary lineup of all-new Ford vehicles that will roll out over the next few years. As the only car in its competitive group offering all-wheel drive, Five Hundred is expected to draw new customers to the Ford brand, including some who might otherwise have purchased an import.

The Five Hundred is one of five new cars and crossovers set to enter Ford showrooms in 2004. Joining it are the all-new Ford GT supercar, the 2005 Focus, the all-new Freestyle crossover and the all-new Mustang.

Added to the recent Ford F-150, Freestar and Mercury Monterey launches � and next year�s debut of the Mercury Montego and the Ford Escape Hybrid � this amounts to one of the most far-reaching product lineup renewals in Ford Motor Company history.

Comfort a High Point
Five Hundred�s high package interior brings SUV-like command seating to the premium sedan segment, giving drivers and passengers a clear view of the road.

To create this environment, Ford engineers designed the seating around a high "H-point," which is ergonomic terminology for the pivot point of the human hip joint. Legroom statistics are important, but unless H-point dimensions are considered, they don�t tell the whole story.

For Five Hundred�s front-seat passengers, the distance between the H-point and the vehicle floor is up to four inches higher than in other midsize sedans. The distance is even greater for second-row passengers. And overall legroom is best in class for both front and rear occupants.

Premium features include 17-inch wheels (18-inch wheels are standard on SEL and Limited), entry keypad, one-touch "up" front power windows, plus a host of options like all-wheel drive, leather seating with power adjustments (including power recline for the driver), fold-flat front passenger seat, reverse parking assist and moon roof.

Design Statement: Five Hundred a Premium Sedan
Five Hundred�s exterior design, with its clean geometric lines and stately proportions, makes it clear this is a confident, capable sedan.

Classic Ford design cues include the trapezoidal, diamond-patterned grille, the window graphic with elegant chrome surround and, of course, the blue oval Ford badge centered along the rear of the trunk lid.

The interior styling builds on the same theme, with inviting materials and surface treatments � from smooth metal door handles to soft-touch paint finishes and high-quality fabrics or leather surfaces.

Performance Plus Efficiency
The Five Hundred�s two innovative transmissions � including one of the industry�s largest applications of a continuously variable transmission, or CVT � deliver strong performance from an engine that also is designed for fuel efficiency and low emissions.

The CVT is standard on all-wheel-drive and some front-drive versions of the Five Hundred.

Both transmissions offer overall wide spans from the lowest to the highest gear ratios. That translates into strong off-the-line acceleration, as well as high mileage on the highway.

The improved Duratec 30 3.0-liter V-6 engine also is designed to meet California Low Emissions Vehicle (LEV) II standards, which call for 55 percent less smog-forming pollutants than California Ultra Low Emission Vehicle (ULEV) rules.

Dual-piston aluminum front brake calipers and large front and rear brake rotors provide strong stopping power and fade-free performance. Five Hundred�s fully independent suspension, stiff body structure and precise rack-and-pinion steering contribute confident ride and handling.

Sure-Footed All-Wheel Drive
The all-new Ford Five Hundred is available with all-wheel drive inspired from a proven Volvo system. This application uses an electronically controlled, electro-hydraulic Haldex limited-slip coupling positioned just ahead of the rear differential to transfer torque to the rear wheels as needed whenever front wheels begin to slip.

For Customers Who Carry People and Cargo
Five Hundred is about 3 inches longer than a Taurus but roughly a foot shorter than the Crown Victoria. Despite its size, Five Hundred�s efficient packaging provides exceptional rear-seat knee room and more trunk space than any sedan on the market.

Safer by Design
Acknowledged safety leader Volvo made a key contribution to the technology packed into the new Five Hundred. To begin with, the Volvo-inspired platform is engineered to offer class-leading stiffness with relatively soft crush zones designed into impact areas. When equipped with Ford�s Safety Canopy� and side air bags, Five Hundred is expected to earn top crash test ratings.

In frontal impacts, energy is absorbed by the frame rails, where an innovative bumper plate design � submitted for patent protection by Ford in North America � is employed. Excess energy is transferred around the passenger compartment into a high-strength safety cage. A patent-pending new design tailors the steering column�s collapse to the driver�s size and safety-belt use for optimum protection.

Rear-impact performance is so advanced that it is designed to meet proposed future federal crash standards. Side-impact protection is a particular strength of the new Five Hundred, thanks to a combination of Ford�s industry-leading air-bag technology and structural features that safeguard occupants from intrusion by channeling crash energy away from the passenger compartment. An innovative cross-car beam under the front seats reinforces the structure between the B-pillars, while directing energy away from passengers to an engineered failure point under the center console.

This is why D3 suck as a platform for cars.
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Five Hundred debuted when Chrysler 300 did. We know which one was a hit and which flopped. The Ford dealer gave me a 2007 Five Hundred loaner when repairing my 2004 Crown Victoria. I found the car less refined than the 2005 Focus I rented on a trip to South Florida. The current Explorer is the only hit Ford got from D3. The Five Hundred does seem to be a reliable car because I still see quite a few around in good condition.
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Five Hundred debuted when Chrysler 300 did. We know which one was a hit and which flopped. The Ford dealer gave me a 2007 Five Hundred loaner when repairing my 2004 Crown Victoria. I found the car less refined than the 2005 Focus I rented on a trip to South Florida. The current Explorer is the only hit Ford got from D3. The Five Hundred does seem to be a reliable car because I still see quite a few around in good condition.
One of the worst new vehicles I have ever driven was a Mercuy Montego loaner with the 3.0L V6. It felt like I was driving a glass fish tank with the power and refinement of an 80's Escort, just an awful piece of design and engineering on every level.
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From a UK prospective the Explorer and the new 2020 model will not be too large(wide) for Europe. We have many many Range Rovers here which are 3 inches wider than the Explorer so no issues here. I lived in Massachusetts for a few years and most roads are no bigger or smaller than UK or mainland European roads. I have a Bullitt Mustang on order and a currently drive an edge sport and in many publications they alway state how big they are which is crap.
Over here we need a Explorer size suv because not all of us want to pay stupid/rip off prices for LR/RR product.
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From a UK prospective the Explorer and the new 2020 model will not be too large(wide) for Europe. We have many many Range Rovers here which are 3 inches wider than the Explorer so no issues here. I lived in Massachusetts for a few years and most roads are no bigger or smaller than UK or mainland European roads. I have a Bullitt Mustang on order and a currently drive an edge sport and in many publications they alway state how big they are which is crap.
Over here we need a Explorer size suv because not all of us want to pay stupid/rip off prices for LR/RR product.

I owned a 2012 Explorer when I lived in Venezuela, now I lived in Spain. The Explorer is too big for the European standards. Certainly, some SUVs here are as big as the Explorer , like the Land Rover Range Rover, the VW Touareg, The Porsche Cayenne, but those cars are sold in small quantities. The roads, in general, are not the problem. The problems come when you want to park a car as big as the Explorer. The last reason to consider the Explorer is not for Europe is the price of the combustible here in Europe.

Ford can sell this car here, but in small numbers. And that is not what Ford needs here.

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