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Where do you get this informations from? All reports I've read had the Explorer/Aviator as the initial D6 launch vehicles.
Internally from Ford. D6 is not ready yet. As you know all platforms are designed to be developed step by step. The first product in D6 cycle is the Fusion and the MKZ, CD4.2 was developed to cover all the spaces covered by D3 so you have Taurus, Explorer, MKT, Continental, Aviator. This was discussed by John Casesa while ago on an interview with Cars magazine. However he left the door open to use the T6 platform instead of the D6.

As for all the reports you said you had read about the Explorer/Aviator as the initial D6 launch I would like to see something coming from a Ford official. If you have it please attach the link so we can look at it.

BTW for some time Ford was playing with the idea of going back to build the Explorer using the Everest as a base with the same formula steel frame and aluminum body. And honestly I believe they are still
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Internally from Ford. D6 is not ready yet. As you know all platforms are designed to be developed step by step. The first product in D6 cycle is the Fusion and the MKZ, CD4.2 was developed to cover all the spaces covered by D3 so you have Taurus, Explorer, MKT, Continental, Aviator. This was discussed by John Casesa while ago on an interview with Cars magazine. However he left the door open to use the T6 platform instead of the D6.

As for all the reports you said you had read about the Explorer/Aviator as the initial D6 launch I would like to see something coming from a Ford official. If you have it please attach the link so we can look at it.

BTW for some time Ford was playing with the idea of going back to build the Explorer using the Everest as a base with the same formula steel frame and aluminum body. And honestly I believe they are still
Making the Explorer car based has been a smart move because sales have been very strong with it. Explorer never had any off roading ability. If they do go that route it might hurt sales.
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Making the Explorer car based has been a smart move because sales have been very strong with it. Explorer never had any off roading ability. If they do go that route it might hurt sales.
That will depend on how much weight they can shave form the Everest using aluminum. If they are able to get close to what the Explorer weight today, which is not too hard as the current explorer is very heavy then they will apply the economy of scale. Why? They will be building out of the T6 Bronco, Ranger, Aviator, Explorer and all the variants. The Everest weight is about 5,489 pounds and the current Explorer weight is 4,901 both Titanium. They are withing few inches each other
Explorer is 198 length and Everest is 193
Width is Explorer 78 and Everest is 73.30
Wheelbase Explorer 112.8 and Everest 112.20

Applying One Ford plan using aluminium will make a business case as you will have one platform for all markets. In addition to the different models that Ford will be building out of it. But this is my 2 cents guess.
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sounding like I shouldn't've put Aviator in this thread's title;
if this is an interim version ...LIKE the Continental?

now wondering since:

201.4 - 117.9 - 78.1 - 58.5 - Continental
196.7 - 116.1 - 73.9 - 59.2 - China Taurus
197.1 - 112.6 - 78.9 - 70.4 - D4 Explorer
whether Ford might do some *experimenting* during the 2-ish/3(/4?) years until the cD6 Explorer is IN production

also, while googling some of the cD6/Lincoln investment-sequence,
found an article from last July:

" SUVs from L to XXL

The Explorer is one of Ford's best sellers in North America and is now only two years away from replacement. U502 will be succeeded by a similarly sized SUV which uses an update of the same CD4 architecture from the Fusion/Mondeo. The D-segment/Mid Size sedan was the first model to use this platform. An additional model for Lincoln might well be launched some months ahead of the next Explorer (see 'Aviator' below)...

...The latest MKX went on sale first in the United States in that country's autumn of 2015, new for North America's 2016 model year. It is also available in China, the Middle East and South Korea. The first facelift should come for the 2020 model year, with the third generation model due in calendar 2022. Expect that vehicle to be on an updated CD4 front- and all-wheel drive architecture...

...The obvious size gap between the MKX and next Navigator will likely be filled by an additional model in 2018. Let's call it 'Navigator Sport' or 'Aviator' and assume it will use CD4 as its basis, which means it would be the twin of the next Ford Explorer and built in Chicago. This proposed model would be a rival for the Volvo XC90 and others in its class...

...The replacement for the MKZ is expected to be the first vehicle for Lincoln's D6 architecture. This platform can reportedly be for front-, rear- and all-wheel drive applications. The new model, which should changes names, is likely to be manufactured in North America and China.
... "

NOTE: a few other things in the article have Recently been shown wrong-or-changed; so. . .
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crossreference: speculation in today's Navi TestMule thread
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the market is sooo ready for an Aviator/........ nextgen

so I was falling asleep while watching a movie and...
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a post elsewhere might give a clue to new stuff WHILE much being On Hold
thus
if cD6 *is* delayed, could a long-wlb MKX take the place of the MKT until then?
and could they re-intro the Aviator Name on CD4+ like they did with the Conti?
old MKS/MKT chops thread:...
somehow thought of "A Tale of Two Factories": Chicago & Oakville
and made a chart

but
THEN thought: leave Chicago alone (other than plotting the death of the D3/4 Taurus/Interceptor);
just making a CD4+3 Aviator (stretched MKX) instead of the MKT (leave Flex as is? - mostly? - no?),
the (other)cool part is the Explorer stays on D3/4 until cD6 so the Aviator is as Unique as Conti ... LIKE Conti!
Ta-Da! ...coming to an autoshow sooner than anyoneELSE thinks.

. . . . calling it "X-Lg" is still OK too
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Re: Aviator / Explorer nextgens

When the return of the Aviator finally happens, in 3 or 4 years, it's new competition will be well ahead in the marketplace. It's interesting to note that MB has nothing in the segment at the moment either.

The New 5-7 passenger XC90 is definitely a competitor. As of Nov, it shot past the smaller 5 passenger MKX in annual sales. With X5 being the leader that I can see.

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...The replacement for the MKZ is expected to be the first vehicle for Lincoln's D6 architecture. This platform can reportedly be for front-, rear- and all-wheel drive applications. The new model, which should changes names, is likely to be manufactured in North America and China.
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crossreference: speculation in today's Navi TestMule thread
Well, this completely slipped by me. We just leased a new 2017 MKZ but now I really have something to look forward to in three years, hopefully will associated drive train improvements to go with it. Am I one of the few sedan enthusiasts left, though.
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Re: Aviator / Explorer nextgens

amazing how accurate that Oooooooooooooooold chart WAS...

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just can't say if anything or what could be getting delayed Now
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Well, this completely slipped by me. We just leased a new 2017 MKZ but now I really have something to look forward to in three years, hopefully will associated drive train improvements to go with it. Am I one of the few sedan enthusiasts left, though.
The next gen MKZ has to go with RWD/AWD, with body proportions to match.

The C-Class has to be it's target competition with Lincoln being more Luxury, while adding more performance/exhilaration. The Continental has the E-Class covered in AWD form.



Offering a Lincoln MKZ Coupe and Convertible as well(sharing a version of the next gen Mustang platform). This would offer a huge boost to Lincoln's position in the marketplace, and dramatically lower their consumer age.


I will be so happy to see Lincoln finally be able to FULLY compete, head to head, in at least one segment dominated by the German performance luxury automakers.
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When the return of the Aviator finally happens, in 3 or 4 years, it's new competition will be well ahead in the marketplace. It's interesting to note that MB has nothing in the segment at the moment either.

The New 5-7 passenger XC90 is definitely a competitor. As of Nov, it shot past the smaller 5 passenger MKX in annual sales. With X5 being the leader that I can see.

The XC90 is a great looking vehicle inside and out. It has taut surface detailing and it sits back on its haunches perfectly, how Vovlo got the XC90 and the S90 to have such great proportions is impressive. The XC90 is definitely the leader of this class. BMW and MB may lead in sales numbers but is a great vehicle
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