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post #121 of 263 (permalink) Old 06-06-2018, 05:22 PM
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I think the vehicle with camo might be the C-Max successor. It looks smaller than an Escape/Kuga. It's already known that Ford is developing a crossover vehicle based on C2 focus platform, that replaces the C-Max.
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I really like what's been achieved with reconfiguring the next Focus and in particular, the Active.
It may be exactly what the US market is looking for in this segment. I hope they do likewise with

a Mondeo Active in either hatch or Station wagon, offerings that open eyes to the possibilities
instead of ruminating on losses...
This one 'Active' model at $3k - $5k more than the Focus hatch won't get close to the 200k sales of Focus models before Ford let the model age on the vine. Even if they wanted it to compete with the Subaru, the Active lacks the AWD system that makes the Subaru a Subaru. But Ford did say they were only focused on an 'image' upgrade for the higher price.
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This one 'Active' model at $3k - $5k more than the Focus hatch won't get close to the 200k sales of Focus models before Ford let the model age on the vine.
1. You have no idea how many will sell. Regardless, if they make profits per sale, the matter is moot.
2. Focus was not making money. Selling more of something with no profit just stresses your infastructure.
3. Toyota gave minimum updates and investments to the corolla for ages, and did not see sales falter. Ford put quite a bit of tech and image building into the Focus, yet sales faded anyway.
4. If you are selling a car at minimal profit, even the most basic recall could turn those sales into losses.


Pleas stop being so negative about everything. If it stresses you out, maybe you should follow the trials and tribulations of another manufacturer.
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1. You have no idea how many will sell. Regardless, if they make profits per sale, the matter is moot.
2. Focus was not making money. Selling more of something with no profit just stresses your infastructure.
3. Toyota gave minimum updates and investments to the corolla for ages, and did not see sales falter. Ford put quite a bit of tech and image building into the Focus, yet sales faded anyway.
4. If you are selling a car at minimal profit, even the most basic recall could turn those sales into losses.


Pleas stop being so negative about everything. If it stresses you out, maybe you should follow the trials and tribulations of another manufacturer.

Well to be fair part of the reason the Focus lost so many sales was the whole controversy of the DCT
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I just read the Baby Bronco will also be Focus-based (C2) like the next Escape.
- https://www.motor1.com/news/261928/f...ocus-platform/

I guess the reason the next Escape looks sleeker (like a lifted hatchback) is to further differentiate it from the Yet-to-be-named small SUV (aka Baby Bronco) which will have a more traditional SUV shape.
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I just read the Baby Bronco will also be Focus-based (C2) like the next Escape.
- https://www.motor1.com/news/261928/f...ocus-platform/

I guess the reason the next Escape looks sleeker (like a lifted hatchback) is to further differentiate it from the Yet-to-be-named small SUV (aka Baby Bronco) which will have a more traditional SUV shape.
Exactly, and if you think about it, the Kuga has always been a smoother, car like CUV rather than the original US Escape, so when they merged, our Escape appeared softer. In the redo a few years back they tried to butch it up a bit with squarer taillamps, etc. So I see the new Escape being softer as itís folowing the Kuga path again, and this new Bronco like CUV will appeal to the truck-liking crowd, a win-win!
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Exactly, and if you think about it, the Kuga has always been a smoother, car like CUV rather than the original US Escape, so when they merged, our Escape appeared softer. In the redo a few years back they tried to butch it up a bit with squarer taillamps, etc. So I see the new Escape being softer as itís folowing the Kuga path again, and this new Bronco like CUV will appeal to the truck-liking crowd, a win-win!

A win-win situation. But Ford needs another crossover in that segment: a smaller-than-the-Kuga, low high crossover to replace the C-Max.

Is clear , now, that the new Baby Bronco is the base for the rumored new compact , unibody FWD pick up truck.

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I keep struggling with the idea of no sedans. So if they did 'just offer something' for consumers, and that something is paltry numbers that don't come close to justify the cost to design/engineer/test/manufacture that vehicle(s) and then change it up every few years to stay competitive and at immense additional cost, does it matter if a few customers go elsewhere? And I will also argue that, many of those customers, just choose another Ford option anyway. An option that is far more profitable.
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Exactly, and if you think about it, the Kuga has always been a smoother, car like CUV rather than the original US Escape, so when they merged, our Escape appeared softer. In the redo a few years back they tried to butch it up a bit with squarer taillamps, etc. So I see the new Escape being softer as it’s folowing the Kuga path again, and this new Bronco like CUV will appeal to the truck-liking crowd, a win-win!
I wonder if Ford plans to introduce the next Escape or mini-Bronco in Asia (outside China).
Ford in the region currently has a huge gap between the EcoSport and the Ranger-based Everest SUV.
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post #130 of 263 (permalink) Old 08-11-2018, 04:26 PM
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FWIW, the code for the 3rd Pickup is P7XX along with a CX7XX designation, which implies that it's actually two vehicles, a truck and a crossover. The Bronco Mini is CX430, Escape is also a CX4XX number. Essentially they are related project codes, meaning they are largely being developed under the same program along with the new Focus they are based on. The codes imply that the Courier Truck and the new Crossover it's based upon are not necessarily related to the new C2 products (they are also a number of years apart anyway). The NG EcoSport does have a CX7XX code as well which tells me these products might be under co-development (again these re all 2-3 years after Escape/Maverick/Focus).
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