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I donít know, the tired old 400hp Fusion Sport is still killing it pretty good IMO, as far as style and power for the $$ goes, and even the Platinum is hard to beat for luxury value.
But yeah, upgrades are needed and certainly coming. Contrary to some myths, Ford is not abandoning the market.

I thought the Fusion sport only (still kick ass!) had 325hp (Lincoln MKZ has 400hp)? Am I wrong?
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"...the Expedition’s new-school thinking doesn’t pay the dividends we anticipated. Despite its aluminum body, the big Ford is still 100 pounds heavier than a comparably equipped 2018 GMC Yukon Denali, although, granted, the Expedition is longer and considerably roomier.

The Expedition’s EcoBoost V-6 powertrain is smooth and powerful, but the truck is virtually (?) no quicker than the 6.2-liter V-8–powered GMC—and the Ford’s promise of improved fuel efficiency may be illusory (BUT)...*IS* 2 mpg better than the Yukon’s, but its 22-mpg highway number is the same. And in our real-world 75-mph highway fuel-economy test, the Denali matched the Platinum’s 20-mpg showing."

"If the Expedition is good at being a bus, it also handles a little too much like one. We didn’t think it was possible, but the Expedition actually drives (*IS*) bigger than it is, while the Yukon and the Tahoe manage to drive considerably smaller..."
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More at the link below, including an out-of-place comparison to the Benz GLS Class. It's like they drove a completely different vehicle than the Motor Trend staff.

like I implied about the Conti video-review,
some people do NOT know How to be objective (or won't bother)

Exped *IS* bigger & a bit heavier yet the modern turbo-v6 gives (AT WORST) the same power as the v8
WITH better MPG driving around town ... & equal highway-MPG no matter how hard you try to fudge the results

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Here's another excellent review from AW!

http://autoweek.com/article/car-revi...s-all-families

A couple of great quotes from the article:

Itís no surprise that Fordís twin-turbocharged EcoBoost V6 provides potent acceleration. Drive one of these back to back with a Tahoe, and itís no contest.

Speaking of weight, we had a chance to tow a 6,500-pound Airstream trailer with an Expedition Max over some steep terrain. Later, we piloted a Chevy Suburban over the same route, towing a 5,500-pound horse trailer. On this exercise, the Expedition had an easier time maintaining speed on the grades, despite towing 1,000 pounds more. In fact, at about half-throttle we could hold 60 mph with relatively low revs in the Expedition. The Suburban on the other hand had a harder time matching that speed and its V8 spent quite a bit of time at the top of the tachometer on that grade. The Expedition certainly had an easier time moving its trailer and did so more quietly, too.

The new Expedition is a clear leap forward in terms of refinement, power and capability over the outgoing model. And it finally moves Ford toward the front of the pack in the full-size SUV class itself.
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Welp...that was quick!

GM OFFERS $5,000 ESCALADE DISCOUNT AS NEW NAVIGATOR HITS DEALERSHIPS. Caddy is scared...as they should be.

http://www.motortrend.com/news/gm-of...s-dealerships/
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For a stretch a couple years back, Motor Trend had a difficult time saying anything good in general about Ford or Lincoln products. I won't pretend to know the cause, but there was an obvious riff between Ford and the magazine's editors, and it was coming through in MT's reviews and "of the year" contests. (The Murano beating the Edge Sport in a head-to-head comparison was particularly egregious.) I'm still a print subscriber to both Motor Trend and Car and Driver, but more than I ever I realize they are not the objective sources I once thought they were. (I actually believed them when they said BMW's were well engineered, then I bought one and learned the truth! Unforgivable!!) They're good sources for basic information, but I drive cars myself when I want to know how they really compare. When it comes to vehicles, who's opinion is more important than our own, right?
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I just looked up the credentials of the writer of the C&D (Rich Ceppos) article on Linked In. Although, the writer is a former Executive Editor of both C&D (1986-1991) and AM (1991-1995), the writer is listed currently as:

Manager, Advanced Concepts
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May 2007 Ė Present (10 years 7 months)

If the writer is still working at Ford Motor's primary competitor, it should not be so surprising he's writing such a totally unjustified and unflattering article about the truly remarkable new 2018 Expedition.

This situation is very unfair. Car and Driver is biased against Ford/Lincoln all the time, but this is non ethical. Even for the American auto journalism that is bad and bit serious, this situation in which a GM employee make a review of a product of its main competitor is disgusting . Car and Driver lost the little credibility still they had.
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GM OFFERS $5,000 ESCALADE DISCOUNT AS NEW NAVIGATOR HITS DEALERSHIPS. Caddy is scared...as they should be.

http://www.motortrend.com/news/gm-of...s-dealerships/
They're worried, and rightly so. As I write this, there are some GM engineers saying "I told you we should have went with IRS when we launched the current models. **** bean counters!" I'm sure it looked positively brilliant for a while when the profits were pouring in, but keeping the solid rear axle was a foolish, foolish move.
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I donít know, the tired old 400hp Fusion Sport is still killing it pretty good IMO, as far as style and power for the $$ goes, and even the Platinum is hard to beat for luxury value.
But yeah, upgrades are needed and certainly coming. Contrary to some myths, Ford is not abandoning the market.

400 hp? Last I heard, that's about 75 optimistic...and the reviews of the car have been the very definition of middling.

If GM can justify Buick, and if Honda can justify Acura, we can damned well have Mercury back.
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This situation is very unfair. Car and Driver is biased against Ford/Lincoln all the time, but this is non ethical. Even for the American auto journalism that is bad and bit serious, this situation in which a GM employee make a review of a product of its main competitor is disgusting . Car and Driver lost the little credibility still they had.
I sent the situation over to Automotive News for them to take a look at because unethical behavior like this casts a negative shadow over all auto media if not responded to.
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Want For Nothing with the 2018 Ford Expedition: First-Drive Review
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— Aaron Brzozowski — Nov 9, 2017

The full-size SUV market is full of buyers who demand the world: a spacious interior, respectable towing capability, high-tech creature comforts, a cozy cabin, and assuming the OEM has anything left to give, perhaps a double-digit highway MPG that doesn’t start with a “1”. A smaller subset of buyers keep an even longer list of demands, insisting on things like 4WD and the option of an off-road package.

What is an automaker to do?

Enter the 2018 Ford Expedition. We spent the last couple of days getting well-acquainted with the Blue Oval’s big, full-frame sport utility vehicle in the California beach city of Malibu, including stints behind the wheel of a 2WD Limited model, and at the helm of the all-new FX4 off-road version. We were able to go for a leisurely drive on some resplendent mountain roads, test the full-size ute’s towing mettle with a 6,500-pound Airstream trailer, and tackle a grueling, dusty trail with the redesigned SUV.

In doing that, we’ve concluded one thing: the 2018 Ford Expedition is more than ready to meet the demands of today’s discerning full-size SUV buyer.

A GM-Dominated Market
General Motors has long kept a stranglehold on the full-size, body-on-frame SUV market in the US. Last year, Chevrolet sold 103,306 units of the Tahoe and 60,082 examples of its larger cousin, the Suburban, while Ford shipped just 59,835 Expeditions. The GM-Ford gap becomes even bigger when you take into account the 90,501 combined units of the GMC Yukon and Yukon XL the General moved last year, or the gulf between unit sales of the luxurious Cadillac Escalade (39,092) and Lincoln Navigator (10,421).

But with the introduction of the all-new, 2018 Ford Expedition, Dearborn’s Blue Oval brand makes a more compelling case for its three-row SUVs than ever before, with a new powertrain consisting of the same second-gen 3.5L EcoBoost and 10-speed auto as the F-150; a lighter curb weight afforded by the use of aluminum throughout the body; and a suite of impressive new tech features that includes Ford SYNC Connect with onboard WiFi hotspot and numerous active driver assists.

The weight savings relative to the outgoing Ford Expedition max out at around 300 pounds, due to Ford’s decision to reinvest much of it back into various vehicle features. This includes more sound deadening and tilt/slide-capable second-row seating – a first for the segment, which makes accessing the third row easier than ever. Output from the twin-turbocharged, 3.5L EcoBoost V6 peaks at 375 horsepower/470 lb-ft in the XLT and Limited models, and 400 horsepower/480 lb-ft in the Platinum, thanks in-part to dual-injection (the second-generation motor is both direct- and port-injected). The same independent multilink rear suspension, with available Continuously Controlled Damping, carries over from 2017.

What It’s Like To Drive
On the road, we drove the 2018 Ford Expedition Limited 4◊2, which is quicker than any 5,400-pound vacation-mobile has any right to be. The 10-speed automatic transmission is a willing and capable partner in this, in Sport mode keeping the engine within its power band and dispatching with shifts quickly and smoothly. Acceleration may not be all too high on the list of customer wants, and we realize there’s a certain irony about putting a “Sport” mode on a big, heavy SUV, but it makes merging onto the highway a cinch.

Just as important, all that thrust comes in handy when there are so many thousands of pounds hanging behind the trailer hitch. Ford set up a demonstration with a 4◊2 MAX model – that’s the long-wheelbase one – and a 6,500-pound Airstream trailer. Our course was a highway route through the mountains, full of inclines, curves, and no shortage of other motorists.

The Expedition took it all in stride, never seeming to run out of breath. The Tow/Haul mode alters the 10-speed transmission’s shift strategy to provide ample torque at all times, allowing all six tons to accelerate and keep up with traffic, even when faced with an uphill climb. Turning left from a stop onto a busy road? Not so anxiety-inducing as you might think.

For comparison’s sake, Ford also brought along a Chevrolet Tahoe with a 5.3L EcoTec3 V8 and a lighter 5,500-pound trailer hanging off the rear. Without the aid of forced induction, and with four fewer gears to propel it along, the difference was quite dramatic. Even on level ground, the Tahoe had much more trouble getting out of its own way; uphill, the SUV’s arduous struggle was on full display, the transmission downshifting multiple times, the V8 howling all the while.

Of course, even those without boats, trailers, or flatbeds to drag through the mountains will find plenty to celebrate about the new, 2018 Ford Expedition. The cabin is a truly quiet, tranquil place to be; the reinvestment of some of the weight savings into sound deadening is obvious. The dash is pure-F-150, but that’s a good thing; controls are well laid-out and easy to use. The ride, even without Ford’s optional Continuously Controlled Damping, is nice and plush without compromising handling.

No one’s about to drive an autocross with an Expedition, but it’s good to know the SUV is competent enough for emergency high-speed maneuvers. The independent rear suspension helps immensely with this.

We didn’t get the chance to try out the bulk of the new Ford Expedition’s long list of available high-tech features – a list that includes Enhanced Active Park Assist, adaptive cruise control with Stop-and-Go and collision avoidance, the F-150’s Pro Trailer Backup Assist, SYNC Connect with mobile WiFi hotspot, B&O Play audio, and SlingPlayer live-television streaming. Maybe next time.

Taking The FX4 Off-Road
We had our doubts about the off-road-ready 2018 Ford Expedition FX4 – the first such model ever offered from Ford. The best off-roaders tend to be small, light, and agile; the new Expedition exemplifies precisely none of those adjectives.

Those doubts were quickly quelled on a dusty off-road course, where the expertly-calibrated Mud/Rut drive mode made short work of some truly hairy obstacles. The Expedition felt smaller and more nimble than its actual size would suggest, creeping through tight passages and ascending steep inclines without a hiccup. The FX4 package includes an electronic limited-slip differential in the rear, which uses clutches to limit wheel slip, all the way up to full lock-up. A hill-descent control system makes rolling down steep grades a breeze.

Off-road driving tends to open a vehicle up to more bumps and scrapes than usual, but here, the aluminum body oughtn’t necessarily be a concern. According to one Ford representative, the automaker’s aluminum bodywork certification program, rolled out for the latest-generation F-150, has brought repair costs down to the point that they are comparable to repairing a traditional steel body. Meanwhile, on the FX4, more than half a dozen skid plates protect vitals like the engine, transmission, transfer case, differentials, and fuel tank.

Like many of today’s advanced, tech-heavy off-roaders, the 2018 Ford Expedition FX4 is loaded to the gills with electronic systems that evaluate conditions in real time, putting traction where you need it, when you need it. These all work inconspicuously in the background, making you feel like a hero while it performs the innumerable computations that keep the vehicle moving, even when physics says it should just entrench itself in sand. The Expedition FX4 can run with the best of the mild-mannered, family-hauling trail blazers.

If the desires of the full-size SUV buyer can be summed up in a single word, it’s “more”. Folks who gravitate toward the segment want more seating for taking their families on road trips. They want more cargo space to transport all their stuff, and more towing capacity than a crossover can provide. Just as important, they want more creature comforts to make the journey pleasant, and more entertainment options to keep the kids quiet.

We doubt there’s a vehicle on the market that delivers more “more” than the all-new, 2018 Ford Expedition. It offers more fuel economy (EPA-estimated 20 mpg combined), more torque (up to 480 lb-ft, vs. 383 from the Tahoe 5.3L), more cargo space, more towing capacity (up to a best-in-class 9,300 pounds), more entertainment, and with the brand-new FX4, more off-road capability than any Expedition before it.

Chevrolet should be nervous.

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