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post #11 of 32 (permalink) Old 08-09-2018, 10:22 AM
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Ford's decision benefits Ford more than the consumer, of course. Duh. Newsflash: Ford is in the business of profit, not catering to every whim of every customer. At some point, a logical line has to be drawn, that considers ALL factors moving forward in this crazy new marketplace. That said, I am not happy that Ford will not offer more sedans, even though I don't have any desire to purchase any in the near future, or at the least, I am happy to choose between many other compelling products. But, their plan will most certainly benefit Ford shareholders, of which I am one. So I will get over any short term frustration. And who knows what the future will hold. But you can bet that if consumers want it in big enough numbers, Ford will offer it.
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And by then the SUV trend will be in decline. Using the Explorer as benchmark, the first wave lasted from 2005 - 2007 before consumers changed their preference(high gas prices). 2011 is the start of the new wave that climbed all the way to 2017, with going in decline as of 2018 at -4.5% YTD(actually all Ford SUVS are in decline YTD).

Fords oldest and newest SUVs are in decline YTD, which should NOT be the case if everyone wants SUVs as the media professes. Navigator has an increase, but coming from well below the bar and still may barely reach the low 2008 sales of 14,836.

While in China.....for is figuring out that overpricing Ford models with higher trim levels, and depending on lower sales volume does not work in China. Which means Fords has to follow the leaders, that gain profits on higher volume and lower prices.
Ford's lineup is ancient vs. the competition. It's not at all surprising sales are down YTD. You're dead set on this idea that SUVs are suddenly in decline and sedans are making a comeback when EVERYTHING points in the complete opposite direction, the only thing you have to back up your opinion is Model 3, which is also self explanatory.
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And by then the SUV trend will be in decline. Using the Explorer as benchmark, the first wave lasted from 2005 - 2007 before consumers changed their preference(high gas prices). 2011 is the start of the new wave that climbed all the way to 2017, with going in decline as of 2018 at -4.5% YTD(actually all Ford SUVS are in decline YTD).

Fords oldest and newest SUVs are in decline YTD, which should NOT be the case if everyone wants SUVs as the media professes. Navigator has an increase, but coming from well below the bar and still may barely reach the low 2008 sales of 14,836.

While in China.....for is figuring out that overpricing Ford models with higher trim levels, and depending on lower sales volume does not work in China. Which means Fords has to follow the leaders, that gain profits on higher volume and lower prices.
All completely wrong, again. You're selectively ignoring the industry trends and extrapolating Ford's situation to justify your viewpoint on sedans. Ford is making major changes to their aging portfolio and how they do business. Sell less, charge more, earn profit to fund the next volume products and technologies.

It's like Ford doesn't know what it's doing and hasn't labored these decisions to the highest level of analysis and foresight. Why do people think they know what Ford should be doing better than Ford? The number of variables in play are far greater than people are aware of or acknowledge. From expenses, to capacity, to personnel allocation, to market projections, to sustainability, to the timetables on a host of other major technologies and systems...this is NOT nearly as spontaneous as people like to think and require years of advanced planning. In a business with margins this low, you better take advantage of your market expertise.

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JMC also owns LandWind, so the company has TWO Evoque knock-offs and the 3rd being made for Ford. It's really funny actually.
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All completely wrong, again. You're selectively ignoring the industry trends and extrapolating Ford's situation to justify your viewpoint on sedans. Ford is making major changes to their aging portfolio and how they do business. Sell less, charge more, earn profit to fund the next volume products and technologies.

Moving on...

JMC also owns LandWind, so the company has TWO Evoque knock-offs and the 3rd being made for Ford. It's really funny actually.
The Land Rover Range Rover Evoque (the official name is almost longer than the vehicle) was designed when Land Rover was under the Ford umbrella, isnít it? So, Ford is copying itself!

Yes, is funny...

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post #16 of 32 (permalink) Old 08-10-2018, 12:40 PM
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Also worth pointing out that this is one of Ford's new Chinese designed 48v Hybrid and PHEV vehicles.
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All completely wrong, again. You're selectively ignoring the industry trends and extrapolating Ford's situation to justify your viewpoint on sedans. Ford is making major changes to their aging portfolio and how they do business. Sell less, charge more, earn profit to fund the next volume products and technologies.

It's like Ford doesn't know what it's doing and hasn't labored these decisions to the highest level of analysis and foresight. Why do people think they know what Ford should be doing better than Ford? The number of variables in play are far greater than people are aware of or acknowledge. From expenses, to capacity, to personnel allocation, to market projections, to sustainability, to the timetables on a host of other major technologies and systems...this is NOT nearly as spontaneous as people like to think and require years of advanced planning. In a business with margins this low, you better take advantage of your market expertise.
Actually that's not really going to be complete accurate. We've witnessed Fords launch of the Grand C-Max for the US to reverse at the last minute. We watched Ford start building a manufacturing plant in Mexico, to abandon it midway through. And just how many CEOs and plans has Ford had in the bast 10 years...I lost track.

Ford knows that to get profits from F-150, they must have high volume manufacturing and extreme manufacturing efficiencies. However with cars and even crossovers/SUVs, the 'decision' to restrict production capacity, has Ford attempting to gain those margins charging higher prices on lower volume....the opposite of what the know based on F-150.

Many are easily swayed toward what gets the most media focus, and will take on the media perspective/justification for outcomes. But there is always more to the story, and this time its rather basic. There is one consumer pool, they will have varied desires, not all will select the same, and if a company does not offer 'options' the consumer will buy from another company. There will never be a single transportation product that meets the needs of a customer base. Ford is just removing itself from the shopping list from all consumers not wanting a Mustang, truck, crossover/suv or commercial van. That's a whole lot of consumers.
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Ford is just removing itself from the shopping list from all consumers not wanting a Mustang, truck, crossover/suv or commercial van. That's a whole lot of consumers.
The problem is even some of the models Ford is banking on like the Edge isn't performing as well as it should.

Isn't the combined Ford Edge (10,150) & Fusion (10,822) sales still less than that of the Toyota Camry sedan (26,311)?
Honda sold 24,927 Accord sedans, that's also more than the Edge & Fusion sales combined.


Ford should still have an affordable fuel efficient model.
Hybrids or EVs will never cost as much as a standard Fiesta, Focus, and Fusion sedans.

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Certainly a far better option than EcoSport.
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