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I decided to revisit this while drunk. Still love it.

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I decided to revisit this while drunk. Still love it.
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Shrink it to C segment size and you have what the CX430 looks like.

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Except you don't. Actually nothing in Ford's near-future lineup resembles CD6 Explorer (to me anyway).
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So Fords just painted themselves into a corner and refuse to build a prestige product off this platform because they categorically believe there is no potential to make it profitable. They need a global sedan. Perhaps if they try something outside the mainstream, boring fridge on wheels they’d have people queue up for it.

Besides ranting about a global sedan CD6 doesn’t appear to fit in with their philosophy in that one of those 5 platforms only serves 2 vehicles.
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So Fords just painted themselves into a corner and refuse to build a prestige product off this platform because they categorically believe there is no potential to make it profitable. They need a global sedan.
...and since Lincoln is not a global brand (and it looks like they have no plans to change that anytime soon) I guess its sedan future after the Continental is a big question mark.


As much as I wish they revive the Mark _ coupe as a 4-door coupe, they really need to expand their reach around the globe first. This is how European luxury/premium brands have complete SUV/CUV and car lineups.
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I believe the Continental's issue is perceived lack of power and the east-west layout.

If Lincoln are basing their decision to discontinue it because it didn't sell well enough then they deserve to fail because they're too stupid to know you don't pitch a car as your flagship luxury statement when it's based on a fwd platform and then expect it to succeed.

Make it on D6, and, despite Ford/Lincoln being so obsessed with Ecoboost V6s, they need to realise people spending over $80k need a flaming blown V8 wrapped in all the luxury appointments similar to that in the Navigator.

But it seems what Lincoln thinks customers want and what customers actually want are too different things.
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So according to this Mustang will use D6R as first planned.

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A redesigned Mustang now is expected in 2021. The car rides on an exclusive rear-wheel-drive platform but could move to one of the company's five new modular architectures, presumably the rwd/all-wheel-drive unibody underpinnings it would share with utilities such as the Explorer and Lincoln Aviator. That would give Ford the option of building an awd pony car for better handling in winter and to compete with the awd version of the Dodge Challenger that launched in 2017.

The company also plans the first Mustang hybrid, set to arrive in 2020.

Members of the Mustang team were mum on details about the next-generation car but said the move to a modular architecture won't hurt their design creativity.

"Mustang is still going to be a strong, well proportioned vehicle," the Mustang's chief designer, Darrell Behmer, said. "The modular architectures will still give us flexibility; it's not going to bastardize Mustang."

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Widmann said the move won't fundamentally change the car.

"The general layout of rwd has morphed over time, but it's still the general architecture that it has been," he said. "In the architecture world of a rwd which you're going to end up with a rwd architecture I think these pieces of it are pieces that will always work. As you tune it and put a top hat on it, you can get different combinations and can define a lot of the emotion."
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I believe the Continental's issue is perceived lack of power and the east-west layout.

If Lincoln are basing their decision to discontinue it because it didn't sell well enough then they deserve to fail because they're too stupid to know you don't pitch a car as your flagship luxury statement when it's based on a fwd platform and then expect it to succeed.

Make it on D6, and, despite Ford/Lincoln being so obsessed with Ecoboost V6s, they need to realise people spending over $80k need a flaming blown V8 wrapped in all the luxury appointments similar to that in the Navigator.

But it seems what Lincoln thinks customers want and what customers actually want are too different things.
I still dont see what the big need for a big luxury car to be RWD vs FWD/AWD. Like what advantage does it offer to the average consumer? Even BMW admitted not too long ago that a good chunk of their customers didnt even know their car was RWD. I think one of the biggest issues for the Continental is a pretty much nonexistant add campaign. Lincoln took the mother bird approach and just pushed the Conti out of the nest, if it flies then great, if not move on.
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So Fords just painted themselves into a corner and refuse to build a prestige product off this platform because they categorically believe there is no potential to make it profitable. They need a global sedan. Perhaps if they try something outside the mainstream, boring fridge on wheels they’d have people queue up for it.

Besides ranting about a global sedan CD6 doesn’t appear to fit in with their philosophy in that one of those 5 platforms only serves 2 vehicles.
I think that most today in America, would consider an Aviator or Navigator as more prestigious than a sedan.
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