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post #11 of 38 (permalink) Old 04-12-2019, 12:07 PM
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I had an LX 5.0L in early 90's. It was quick enough, but dang did I get pissed every time a Buick GS would beat me in a race But I recall the price was not that much less than a GT, like just a few hundred difference.


I am torn though, as Zana suggested, I too would love to see a bit more boosted power out of base 2.3L, a mild SVO if you will. But on the other hand, Ford's new integrated MHT transmission houses the power split architecture, which is very compact and relatively light. Combined with the new lightweight battery array (1/3 size and weight of previous) you can bias that hybrid power for massive torque and sport instead of FE. This is V8 performance for thousands less in price, gas and insurance. That is the value I speak of.

Anyway, can't wait to see what they have planned.
Methinks the insurance companies will "catch on" sooner or later. Love the concept, though. Hope we see it soon.
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Re: Entry Level Performance Mustang for 2020

My guess is that it will have the Focus RS engine
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Just for reference, the much higher cost and higher strung RS 2.3L boosted engine, has the same 350 ftlbs as current base Mustang 2.3L. The 40 extra HP from RS tune, would not do much by way of changing the feel from sprightly to 'performance.' We are talking a couple of tenths off 0-60.

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The RS isn’t simply a ‘tune’....it’s a different engine. The Ranger is the only other vehicle that shares that uses the same engine currently - Explorer is next.
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Focus RS 2.3L is same basic engine. Different turbo, tune and cam. I think pistons are different as well. I take back my earlier remark about much more cost. Much of the RS cost is in the FWD/AWD drivetrain with torque vectoring. The tune itself is modestly increased. This does make sense for value, but increased performance remains mild with roughly same torque, which is what you notice most.

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Focus RS 2.3L is same basic engine. Different turbo, tune and cam. I think pistons are different as well. I take back my earlier remark about much more cost. Much of the RS cost is in the FWD/AWD drivetrain with torque vectoring. The tune itself is modestly increased. This does make sense for value, but increased performance remains mild with roughly same torque, which is what you notice most.
No no no and no...wrong...here are the differences:

‘...The RS engine’s best feature is a unique low-inertia, twin-scroll turbocharger with an improved compressor (to boost airflow) and an improved and significantly larger intercooler.
Ford has considered the engine right down to its materials, completely redesigning the cylinder head from an upgraded alloy, modifying the engine cooling design and mounting it on a strong head gasket. To reinforce the strength of the engine, the cylinder block has a durable cast-iron lining for maximum protection. The cylinder head and gasket were both created by high-performance automotive engineering company Cosworth....’

The above can be confirmed because during no manufacturing of the RS 2.3T, headgaskets from the Mustang were used which led to many engine failures and Ford doing a campaign to fix all cars (my RS was actually included in the campaign)
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No no no and no...wrong...here are the differences:

‘...The RS engine’s best feature is a unique low-inertia, twin-scroll turbocharger with an improved compressor (to boost airflow) and an improved and significantly larger intercooler.
Ford has considered the engine right down to its materials, completely redesigning the cylinder head from an upgraded alloy, modifying the engine cooling design and mounting it on a strong head gasket. To reinforce the strength of the engine, the cylinder block has a durable cast-iron lining for maximum protection. The cylinder head and gasket were both created by high-performance automotive engineering company Cosworth....’

The above can be confirmed because during no manufacturing of the RS 2.3T, headgaskets from the Mustang were used which led to many engine failures and Ford doing a campaign to fix all cars (my RS was actually included in the campaign)
I did forget to mention the head updates which often come along with new gasket. Same exact head geometries, valve train layout, 3 outlet integrated exhaust manifold.....which really defines 'all new head' to any cyl head engineer. I am pretty sure the Cosworth modifications were tweaked valve sizing and porting. Tweaking the aluminum alloy recipe was either for improve fatigue or higher temps or both. In cylinder head casting terminology, the assy of cores positioned before a pour, are no doubt all the same, except for a port swap.

Also, the block, crankshaft and rods remain unchanged. The primary thing that would drive that change, is displacement. Cast iron liners is standard issue in aluminum blocks. As I mentioned, all new turbo. Intercooler is also expected to be updated, although not technically part of engine system.

Anyway, I was hardly 'wrong' really only forgetting the head 'tweaks'. All new is a POV.

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Re: Entry Level Performance Mustang for 2020

Looks like embargo has just passed regarding this so-called 'entry level performance model'. Not SVO or anything major other than quick updates here and there and boosting horsepower from 310 to 330 with torque remaining at 350. Rather disappointing if you ask me. Surely there's something other than this to be announced/revealed at Ford's afternoon press conference on the 17th to commemorate Mustang's 55th birthday.


https://www.autoblog.com/2019/04/15/...e-6s0n3a1c7k5/

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1122610_2020-ford-mustang-ecoboost-gets-slew-of-upgrades-from-ford-performance

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Is "Mustang 2.3L High Performance Package" its official model/variant name?
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