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post #21 of 38 (permalink) Old 04-15-2019, 11:58 AM Thread Starter
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Hmmm, just as I feared, a mild bump in I4 hp. Oh well, I guess we can't expect too much for a value model. Although this does make more sense if they provide the rest of the package, gearing, wheels, tires, brakes, etc. And thinking a bit further yet, these I4's tune easy and cheap.
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I did forget to mention the head updates which often come along with new gasket. Same exact head geometries, valve train layout, 3 outlet integrated exhaust manifold.....which really defines 'all new head' to any cyl head engineer. I am pretty sure the Cosworth modifications were tweaked valve sizing and porting. Tweaking the aluminum alloy recipe was either for improve fatigue or higher temps or both. In cylinder head casting terminology, the assy of cores positioned before a pour, are no doubt all the same, except for a port swap.

Also, the block, crankshaft and rods remain unchanged. The primary thing that would drive that change, is displacement. Cast iron liners is standard issue in aluminum blocks. As I mentioned, all new turbo. Intercooler is also expected to be updated, although not technically part of engine system.

Anyway, I was hardly 'wrong' really only forgetting the head 'tweaks'. All new is a POV.
No no no and no again, the engine in the RS was not even designed for RWD applications....from C&D:

'...It was inspired by an in-house one-off Mustang build featuring a Focus RS engine, and the build proved to be so entertaining that the Mustang team submitted a formal plan to migrate it into the production lineup. To get things started, Ford confirmed production availability of the Valencia, Spain-built turbocharged 2.3-liter engine from the Focus RS. Desirable for its die-cast alloy block and high-performance extra-strength cylinder head, it required a bit of engineering to utilize it for a rear-wheel-drive-only setting. While they were at it, Ford tweaked the head gasket, specified a 5 percent larger 63-mm twin-scroll turbo compressor and a larger radiator. Completed, the engine is rated for 330 horsepower; thatís 20 ponies shy of the 350-hp tune as utilized in the Focus RS application but 20 more than the 310-hp version of the 2.3-liter EcoBoost in the 2019 Mustang...'

now this new package DOES put the RS engine in the Mustang, so now there are 3 applications of this engine within the Ford line up: RS (dead), Mustang w/ performance pack, Ranger

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No no no and no again, the engine in the RS was not even designed for RWD applications....from C&D:

'...It was inspired by an in-house one-off Mustang build featuring a Focus RS engine, and the build proved to be so entertaining that the Mustang team submitted a formal plan to migrate it into the production lineup. To get things started, Ford confirmed production availability of the Valencia, Spain-built turbocharged 2.3-liter engine from the Focus RS. Desirable for its die-cast alloy block and high-performance extra-strength cylinder head, it required a bit of engineering to utilize it for a rear-wheel-drive-only setting. While they were at it, Ford tweaked the head gasket, specified a 5 percent larger 63-mm twin-scroll turbo compressor and a larger radiator. Completed, the engine is rated for 330 horsepower; that’s 20 ponies shy of the 350-hp tune as utilized in the Focus RS application but 20 more than the 310-hp version of the 2.3-liter EcoBoost in the 2019 Mustang...'

now this new package DOES put the RS engine in the Mustang, so now there are 3 applications of this engine within the Ford line up: RS (dead), Mustang w/ performance pack, Ranger

Ford does not carry a unique 2.3L block for FWD and RWD applications. How foolish would that be? It is literally the same aluminum /CI lining. That said, I do recall a modified machining cross cut improvement on the top deck that coincided with RS's new gasket application. But hardly enough to require an all new block. Once again, the only thing that would drive a new block, is displacement change. EcoBoost engine already has forged pistons, so they can't improve on that. Literally the whole bottom end is same. And why exactly would they take such drastic and costly actions for the small volumes of an RS? Ask yourself that much. Don't care what you copied/pasted above with curiously, no source link.

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No no no and no again, the engine in the RS was not even designed for RWD applications....from C&D:

'...It was inspired by an in-house one-off Mustang build featuring a Focus RS engine, and the build proved to be so entertaining that the Mustang team submitted a formal plan to migrate it into the production lineup. To get things started, Ford confirmed production availability of the Valencia, Spain-built turbocharged 2.3-liter engine from the Focus RS. Desirable for its die-cast alloy block and high-performance extra-strength cylinder head, it required a bit of engineering to utilize it for a rear-wheel-drive-only setting. While they were at it, Ford tweaked the head gasket, specified a 5 percent larger 63-mm twin-scroll turbo compressor and a larger radiator. Completed, the engine is rated for 330 horsepower; that’s 20 ponies shy of the 350-hp tune as utilized in the Focus RS application but 20 more than the 310-hp version of the 2.3-liter EcoBoost in the 2019 Mustang...'

now this new package DOES put the RS engine in the Mustang, so now there are 3 applications of this engine within the Ford line up: RS (dead), Mustang w/ performance pack, Ranger

Ford does not carry a unique 2.3L block for FWD and RWD applications. How foolish would that be? It is literally the same aluminum /CI lining. That said, I do recall a modified machining cross cut improvement on the top deck that coincided with RS's new gasket application. But hardly enough to require an all new block. Once again, the only thing that would drive a new block, is displacement change. EcoBoost engine already has forged pistons, so they can't improve on that. Literally the whole bottom end is same. And why exactly would they take such drastic and costly actions for the small volumes of an RS? Ask yourself that much. Don't care what you copied/pasted above with curiously, no source link.
I actually like the idea. Mustangs are sold everywhere, now, and a big honkin’ V8 is probably not fantastic for CO2 emission taxation in some countries, so finally getting all the goodies in a blown I4 ain’t so bad. It might not be a 5.0, but it will be a very nice ride.
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I actually like the idea. Mustangs are sold everywhere, now, and a big honkiní V8 is probably not fantastic for CO2 emission taxation in some countries, so finally getting all the goodies in a blown I4 ainít so bad. It might not be a 5.0, but it will be a very nice ride.
Agreed. I honestly was always of the mindset that "if it aint a V8 it aint a Mustang", until I drove the Ecoboost. Well guess what, I now own a Mustang Ecoboost. Sure it's nowhere near as fast as the GT, but as a daily driver its awesome. It looks great, has more than enough power for my commute, and still get ok fuel economy. As a kid my mom owned a 64.5 with the 289 and an 85 notchback, pretty sure mine would easily blow the doors of either.
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I guess it's all about perspective.

I tend to compare cars with how I was first reading about them and experiencing them, as an 80's adolescent:

(most figures from old Car and Driver mags)

In 1983, the Mustang GT hit 60 in about 7 seconds. The SVO took about 7.5 going into 1984.

The 1987 5.0 was about 6 seconds to 60. The various 4.6 variants dropped it into the 5s, and the current GT is somewhere in the low 4s.

If I use the SVO as the spiritual ancestor, the new car is 3 seconds faster to 60, probably a full tenth of a G stickier in corners, has nearly twice the horsepower, and looks to be priced relatively close (with dollar values properly adapted).

Yes, everything is chunkier and what-not nowadays...but there's some tangible progress for ya.

If GM can justify Buick, and if Honda can justify Acura, we can damned well have Mercury back.
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Current EB stang with perf pack runs to 60 in about 5.5sec. I think 5sec flat will be attained considering the new gearing. More than enough for a daily sport driver that also gets 31mpg. And costs far less. And costs you much less in insurance. And to be honest, I tire of the V8 droning. I don't always want to hear my muffler. So, yeah, this is a nice option.

Although, I would have loved to see what a perf hybrid could do. Oh well.

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This doesn't interest me, though for those kiddos who like their 4door 4cyl rice burners this is a much nicer option IMO.
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This doesn't interest me, though for those kiddos who like their 4door 4cyl rice burners this is a much nicer option IMO.
...I find that humorous, because I seriously wanted an SVO when it was new. Stupid ass DOT wouldn’t approve the flush headlights, otherwise that Stang is my favorite from the era with that double spoiler. Then again, I also loved the XR4Ti.
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...I find that humorous, because I seriously wanted an SVO when it was new. Stupid ass DOT wouldnít approve the flush headlights, otherwise that Stang is my favorite from the era with that double spoiler. Then again, I also loved the XR4Ti.
The SVO got the flush headlamps during '85.

I love the XR4Ti as well, though I want to put a newer Ecoboost mill in one.

If GM can justify Buick, and if Honda can justify Acura, we can damned well have Mercury back.
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