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post #1 of 21 (permalink) Old 02-20-2018, 08:24 PM Thread Starter
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2018 C&D Full Size SUV Ranking!

https://www.caranddriver.com/flipboo...orst-to-best#1

10. Toyota Sequoia
9. Infiniti QX80
8. Nissan Armada
7. Ford Expedition / Expedition Max
6. Cadillac Escalade / Escalade ESV
5. GMC Yukon / Yukon XL
4. Lincoln Navigator / Navigator L
3. Chevrolet Tahoe
2. Chevrolet Suburban
1. Mercedes-Benz GLS-class
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...Nissan’s own Armada Platinum Reserve, which maxes out at about where the QX80’s price starts, has most of the Infiniti’s grunt and luxury features...
...(Infiniti QX80) still is a successful SUV, outselling the LX570 three to one and going toe to toe with the Range Rover at roughly 17,000 units per year while falling shy of the Cadillac, which has been moving at an annual clip of almost 40,000. Infiniti execs promise that by the 2018 New York auto show we’ll see an even fancier QX80 along the lines of the Monograph concept, with a price approaching $100,000. Perhaps that version will offer a more modern and better-equipped luxury-SUV experience befitting its price...

...As it stands, the QX80 feels as outdated and unwieldy to drive as the Lexus LX570; that vehicle’s fresher electronics and nicer interior appointments make it more bearable, however. If you must have a truck-based SUV with a two-speed transfer case, the all-new Lincoln Navigator is better dressed while offering a more modern-feeling cabin and superior EPA fuel economy...

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Well that's odd.

I agree that Ford cut cost WAY too much on the Expedition interior by recycling the terrible/dated F-150 dashboard, especially for the most expensive vehicle in its class, but it's shocking to see how much they hated the entire vehicle.

Ultimately I think the problem here is that they don't think it meets expectations with its high price and modern technical complexity.
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^ not sure C&D exactly makes sense to me...

Ford ... adopted independent rear suspension back in 2003. The nose rides on massive control arms quite similar to an F-150’s, but the rear employs a multilink setup that delivers better-controlled ride motions and packaging advantages over its archrival, the Cadillac Escalade. That’s right—almost two decades into the 21st century and the Escalade continues to have a solid log between its two rear wheels...
yet they don't like how FLincmoco made the drive FEEL

or...
could someone who's driven old, new, & competitors comment on whether C&D should be believed or not?
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...What the Navigator has working most to its advantage is how well it drives. The steering is precise if not particularly communicative, the suspension is aided by an excellent roll-stability system, and the adaptive dampers found on higher-trim versions work great. The big 285/45R-22 tires stay planted, tread to pavement, even when the truck is diving into corners like a three-ton Mustang GT...


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Tahoe better than the Navigator?

How many zeros had the check signed by GM?

This rank is a piece of she_t...

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I'm not even going to click the link. What a joke.

Clickbait article and nothing less.

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Tahoe better than the Navigator?

How many zeros had the check signed by GM?

This rank is a piece of she_t...
I usually don't jump on this bandwagon, but I have to admit, my first thought was that the descriptions for the Tahoe and Suburban sounded like **** Chevy advertisements and nothing more.
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I'm not even going to click the link. What a joke.

Clickbait article and nothing less.
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Tahoe better than the Navigator?

How many zeros had the check signed by GM?

This rank is a piece of she_t...
Falconlover your desperation is showing...Itís funny how Iíve never seen u claim the same when ford wins a comparison. Weak and unsubstantiated comment


GM invented this segment over 80 years ago with suburban and will continue to dominate despite sour grapes by ford fanbois. They easily outsell the competition because they have earned an immensely loyal customer base and a stellar reputation. The Suburban/Tahoe triplets are classy, tailored and imposing looking. The expedition on the other hand is one ugly and incoherent motherfíer of a mess in style and the nav is a close runner up in style but the interior is stellar imo
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Falconlover your desperation is showing...Itís funny how Iíve never seen u claim the same when ford wins a comparison. Weak and unsubstantiated comment


GM invented this segment over 80 years ago with suburban and will continue to dominate despite sour grapes by ford fanbois. They easily outsell the competition because they have earned an immensely loyal customer base and a stellar reputation. The Suburban/Tahoe triplets are classy, tailored and imposing looking. The expedition on the other hand is one ugly and incoherent motherfíer of a mess in style and the nav is a close runner up in style but the interior is stellar imo

The GM big SUVs are not better than the new Fords in any single area. If you like it, I respect your tastes. The good things are not for everybody.

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I like that the Expedition's interior is similar to the F-150. It looks bold and tough, not buicky.
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