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This first picture looks like a truck to me. What do you think it is?
LOL, one of us is completely wrong!! I see what you're seeing now, but to me I see a long nose sedan where you appear to see a truck bed.... I hope I'm right!!!!

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These pics don't really tell us anything concrete.
I agree they don't tell us anything. But what I hope they tell us is that the slab sided look of the MKZ is going to die. I like the arching detail that appears in the body side of all of the above illustrations!!
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Both you and Andrew are correct. I glanced at it, and I assumed it was another Lincoln truck.

****, that has a very tall front end and a long wheelbase!

Flagship?
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THANKS for the pix, Andrew!!

That^ reminds me of my latest Zodiac grille, tho much tamer
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that's the good part
BUT
the side is so generic > see comment about spacepods below (sorry, N.R.)
imho THE Highpoint of recent Lincoln studio work for elegant side sculpting is the MKT Concept!!! :rant:
(course the rest of it Had & CAUSED problems...the grille)

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...What design themes would evolve from the past that could fit in today? The 1950's design carried in some form to the 1960's to the 1970's and into the 1980's. Maybe even the 1990's but that's it and that's is where the design problems begin.

...Lincoln needs an over the top design that makes people take notice. To quote the prior Chevy Malibu advertising: The car you ignored to the car you can't ignore" or something like that. You know what I'm trying to say here.
don't quite agree about the 50's: WWII-leftovers >> brief tasteful >> zoot-excess
all just imho^
also
the 60's: Continental, Riviera, et al was a HUGE Renaissance & THAT imho is still the well-spring of autodesign
yet
a large part of my love for the StarShip commercials was hoping for some "industrial light & magic" futuristic fX themes (tho NOT the spacepods of the ?80's?...sorry McGovern isn't far enough from that imho)
((my fave fX example is getting rid of wing-mirrors & using cameras on little retractable stubs
having a top-option for electro-opaquing glass in back and the reardoors would be cool too ... who CARES if it a $3k+ option!))



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It's a shame, but the reality is that as recently as the late 70's early 80's a company of GM or Ford's size could afford to take risks in design if they so chose. These days with the cost of designing a vehicle, especially a world car, a major misstep can echo on for years. It's really just such a completely different world these days, and from a purely design standpoint we all lose.
dunno if unibody construction makes it that much harder to switch sheetmetal than body-on-frame
BUT
imho the mfgs just haven't been TRYING to develop a method for this
due to profitability being King
((& it certainly doesn't excuse not making graphics (HLs TLs grilles) affordable to update every-other-or-Every year...
...worst example: the original Fusion's tail lights - shoulda/coulda just changed the chrome surround to red-reflector :rant: but Noooooooooooo ))

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Flagship?
Yeah, that would be my guess. But seeing a drawing of an idea doesn't lead me to believe that idea is likely to make production anytime soon. An MKS replacement maybe, but then I just don't see how they would get a front end that long on what is likely to be a stretched Fusion platform so that seems highly unlikely.

My guess is its nothing but what we see, a drawing.
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the side is so generic > see comment about spacepods below (sorry, N.R.)
Again this just shows how difficult getting a design that appeals to a very wide audience is, the side sculpting is what makes me smile about that image. The slab sides of the upcoming MKX don't work for me. I'm wondering if maybe the image you quoted is the eventual replacement for the MKS given it should be on the same, but extended platform. More likely these are just older illustrations of the MKZ with sides that didn't make production. Shame IMO if thats the case.
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the side is so generic > see comment about spacepods below (sorry, N.R.)
imho THE Highpoint of recent Lincoln studio work for elegant side sculpting is the MKT Concept!!! :rant:
(course the rest of it Had & CAUSED problems...the grille)


don't quite agree about the 50's: WWII-leftovers >> brief tasteful >> zoot-excess
all just imho^
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the 60's: Continental, Riviera, et al was a HUGE Renaissance & THAT imho is still the well-spring of autodesign
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a large part of my love for the StarShip commercials was hoping for some "industrial light & magic" futuristic fX themes (tho NOT the spacepods of the ?80's?...sorry McGovern isn't far enough from that imho)
I agree. I don't care for slab sided cars either, BUT it would have helped Lincoln out(a lot) if they'd put those two concepts into production(Conti and Mark IX). Lincoln would've had an image. We wouldn't be going through this right now.

The line-up would've been:

LS
Continental
Mark IX
Aviator
Navigator
Blackwood

Note: The Town Car would've been dead if the Continental was approved.
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I love this one!! I like the slightly more formal roofline and I really like that it appears to be rear drive proportionally!!!
umm I can't get a feel for the roofline from that camera angle but the front IMHO is like a nasty version of the Interceptor Concept



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anyone care to make a guess at the overall size/length of that car?

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...The slab sides of the upcoming MKX don't work for me...
MKX???


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...I'm wondering if maybe the image you quoted is the eventual replacement for the MKS...
I still hoping the MKS's replacement will be a Rwd/Awd


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...BUT it would have helped Lincoln out(a lot) if they'd put those two concepts into production(Conti and Mark IX). Lincoln would've had an image. We wouldn't be going through this right now.

The line-up would've been:
LS
Continental
Mark IX
Aviator
Navigator
Blackwood

Note: The Town Car would've been dead if the Continental was approved.
dunno abou the TC but
Agree BACK THEN it would've been great to put McGovern's concepts into production
&
...You *KNOW* you want to dive into the Alternate Reality thread, N.R.


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slab-sided depends on what else is going on imho
think my main dislike is the "arrow fluting" from the front - maybe I consider it 'facile'?

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Not a fan of the more upright, retro feel of that first drawing. Like a Lincoln version of the Chrysler 300 (sigh). That more "butch" look may be what they might want to put on a Mustang platform, however.
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I do not hold Farley in high regard, and I am not sure that he is the right person to lead Lincoln notwithstanding his experience with Lexus.


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