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Re: illegal pollution: US-cheating 'trumps' Yurp Diesels...

This a very big scandal. VW lost billions $ in a single day (1/3 of the company paper value), because the fall of the stock value!! VW-Audi reputation is in a trash container. All this is very stupid. The german engineering is very smart, not for cheating, but to do good engines.

The VW executives deserves jail for lying to customers and authorities. This is not a joke. Is a public health problem. The car emissions are something very delicate and sensitive .

VW had planned to be number 1 for 2018. Now, they will be happy if not go to bankckrupcy for this scandal.

We are not seeing the Europe reaction to this, still. Did VW make the same "double software" to pass the european emission regulation? If the answer is YES, VW is in a big, very big problem, because the diesel engine popularity in Europe is very extended. And the cost to fix the problem can be priceless

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VW says 11 million diesel vehicles worldwide have rigged emissions software
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September 22, 2015 - 6:27 am ET -- UPDATED: 9/22/15 7:30 am ET - adds details

BERLIN (Bloomberg) -- About 11 million Volkswagen vehicles worldwide have diesel engines with software “irregularities,” as the scandal that started in the U.S. widens.

Examinations have shown that the emission-control software built into U.S. models that were found to be violating U.S. clean air rules has also been used in other VW group diesel cars, VW said in a statement today.

The automaker plans to set aside 6.5 billion euros ($7.3 billion) in the third quarter to cover the costs of addressing the issue. The amount of provisions it needs could still change as the investigation continues, VW said. "Earnings targets for the group for 2015 will be adjusted accordingly," VW said, without providing details.

It said the provisions it was setting aside were to cover service measures resulting from the emissions scandal as well as "other efforts to win back the trust of our customers" but did not say whether part of the money could go toward potential penalties it may have to pay.

Diesel cars with so-called Type EA 189 engines built into about 11 million VW models worldwide have shown a "noticeable deviation" in emission levels between testing and road use, the company said.

VW has previously guided for an operating margin between 5.5 and 6.5 percent this year, compared with 6.3 percent in 2014.

VW is facing penalties of up to $18 billion in the U.S. after admitting to cheating diesel car emissions tests.

Germany, France, South Korea and Italy were among countries that said today they would look further into revelations that VW rigged diesel vehicles to pass emissions tests in the U.S. That comes as the U.S. Justice Department begins its own probe into the matter, according to two U.S. officials familiar with the inquiry.

VW shares plummeted as much as 20 percent today, after declining 19 percent on Monday. The stock has dropped 41 percent this year.

German Transportation Minister Alexander Dobrindt told the Bild newspaper in an interview published Tuesday that he has ordered emissions checks of VW diesel models in Germany.

Italy's Environment Ministry asked VW for assurances it has respected emission rules for its cars sold in Italy. South Korea said it will check whether the German automaker complied with its pollution standards.

French Finance Minister Michel Sapin called for a Europe-wide probe into carmarkers, including French ones, in the wake of the revelations. "It's seems necessary," Sapin told Europe 1 radio. "We have to do it at a European level because the market is European with European rules."

The executive committee of the carmaker's supervisory board meets Wednesday to discuss the crisis, said people familiar with the matter.
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"Diesel cars with so-called Type EA 189 engines built into about 11 million VW models worldwide have shown a "noticeable deviation" in emission levels between testing and road use, the company said."

I knew this was coming. If VW was willing to rig the diesel cars in the us for 7 years and 3 generations of diesels, the had to be doing the same in Europe where they sell many more diesels and with diesel emissions standards getting tighter.

"The automaker plans to set aside 6.5 billion euros ($7.3 billion) in the third quarter to cover the costs of addressing the issue. The amount of provisions it needs could still change as the investigation continues, VW said. "Earnings targets for the group for 2015 will be adjusted accordingly," VW said, without providing details."

And these dollars are just to handle the upcoming required recall and 'fix' the cars on the road, sitting on dealer lots, undeliverable at ports and in manufacturing. Which does not include the expected $18 Billion fines from the EPA, plus CA fines, along with US related lawsuits. Then the same in Europe.....but we still haven't heard from China yet..
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"The engine in question is the Type EA 189 common rail diesel, which they put into everything from Volkswagens to Audis, Skodas and Seats. "

Here VW offers a statement and a lie at the same time:

"Volkswagen is working at full speed to clarify irregularities concerning a particular software used in diesel engines. New vehicles from the Volkswagen Group with EU 6 diesel engines currently available in the European Union comply with legal requirements and environmental standards. The software in question does not affect handling, consumption or emissions. This gives clarity to customers and dealers."

How could the software that shuts off emissions controls while not in testing mode, comply with environmental standards and not impact emissions? This sounds like doublespeak that got the defeat software approved by management and installed in 11 million diesel cars in the first place.

But now it's time to look at VW gasoline engines and see what they have done there.
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Ambition.

VW want to be the number 1. At any cost.

And now, this is not going as planned...

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"The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) is expanding its VW diesel investigation to include the automaker’s 3.0-liter V6 diesel engine. The engine is used in various Audi models and the Porsche Cayenne, which means the Volkswagen Group could be facing an even larger fine than the maximum $18 billion currently expected. "

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VW, Audi and now Porsche muddied by the scandal...

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"La hemos cagado totalmente" (We totally screwed up): Michael Horn, VW Americas General Director.

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But now it's time to look at VW gasoline engines and see what they have done there.
Yes...Once you believe you are getting away with cheating, it becomes that much easier to continue to do so.

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Re: illegal pollution: US-cheating 'trumps' Yurp Diesels...

^^ google translation LINK of F.L.'s article

The director of Volkswagen in the United States, Michael Horn... (ABC.es
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...is HE guilty?



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Ambition.
VW want to be the number 1. At any cost.
And now, this is not going as planned...
imho
we all use the "shortcut" of talking about a mfg as tho it was a human person
but it's Not.

Only people make decisions.
And these exec-people will continue to rip us off / abuse us
unless there are significant consequences > to those PEOPLE when caught.

IMHO

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...This sounds like doublespeak...
imho the "doubleTHINK" sociopath/psychopath aspects are even worse
(for those who've read George Orwell's 1984)


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"Diesel cars with so-called Type EA 189 engines built into about 11 million VW models worldwide...
there we go > a worldwide solution/consequence is required


pertinent imho:
Martin Shkreli (a former hedge fund manager) is the founder and chief executive of Turing Pharmaceuticals, which raised the price of Daraprim
(a 62-year-old drug used to treat dangerous multidrug-resistant tuberculosis) 5000%+ from $13.50 to $750 per tablet

NYT/Bloomberg

...HE definitely IS guilty


imhO
making the corporation pay FINES is nowhere near enough

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