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^ F.L., afaik just the 2.7 and 2.9
&... I haven't seen anything to firmly indicate a non-EB version yet
Wings has commented before (in this thread?) saying the Nano is all new an engineered specifically for turbocharged direct injection only and therefor not limited by the need to also work naturally aspirated.

Edit: D'uh, read the second post in this thread by Wings!! LOL
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Ford was smart to optimize for GTDI. They already have a few NA engines, and little development work going on as just NA. And lessons learned here are that you can’t optimize for both. You always make engineering concessions that will compromise something.

What is amazing to me is that even as they are launching one variant of Nano (2.7L), preparing several variants, after years of dyno development work that continues today…..they also have a ton of new future Nano upgrade work keeping teams busy as well. the amount of work is astounding actually. Basically they have rethought several critical aspects (major architectures), and implementing them throughout, including other families of engines.

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Ford was smart to optimize for GTDI. They already have a few NA engines, and little development work going on as just NA. And lessons learned here are that you can’t optimize for both. You always make engineering concessions that will compromise something.

What is amazing to me is that even as they are launching one variant of Nano (2.7L), preparing several variants, after years of dyno development work that continues today…..they also have a ton of new future Nano upgrade work keeping teams busy as well. the amount of work is astounding actually. Basically they have rethought several critical aspects (major architectures), and implementing them throughout, including other families of engines.

No rest for the weary.
This question revolves around the MKS thread as well. Since we know the Nano will get better HP per liter than the 3.5EB, will there be several levels of performance with the same engine, in the same vehicle, similar to this quote from the F650 article?


"The three diesel power levels available for the 2016 Ford F-650/F-750 are:

270 horsepower/675 lb.-ft. torque (best-in-class standard)
300 horsepower /700 lb.-ft. torque
330 horsepower/725 lb.-ft. torque

Multiple ratings provide customers with the flexibility to scale engine power to work applications and operations."

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This question revolves around the MKS thread as well. Since we know the Nano will get better HP per liter than the 3.5EB, will there be several levels of performance with the same engine, in the same vehicle, similar to this quote from the F650 article?


"The three diesel power levels available for the 2016 Ford F-650/F-750 are:

270 horsepower/675 lb.-ft. torque (best-in-class standard)
300 horsepower /700 lb.-ft. torque
330 horsepower/725 lb.-ft. torque

Multiple ratings provide customers with the flexibility to scale engine power to work applications and operations."
You would hope the could crank it up to eleven for duty in the LincStang!
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This question revolves around the MKS thread as well. Since we know the Nano will get better HP per liter than the 3.5EB, will there be several levels of performance with the same engine, in the same vehicle, similar to this quote from the F650 article?


"The three diesel power levels available for the 2016 Ford F-650/F-750 are:

270 horsepower/675 lb.-ft. torque (best-in-class standard)
300 horsepower /700 lb.-ft. torque
330 horsepower/725 lb.-ft. torque

Multiple ratings provide customers with the flexibility to scale engine power to work applications and operations."
Same engine denotes nothing changes, so of course it is not the same if output is different.
In the case of the Diesel applications, I don't know of any major changes, other than new cams, timing and possible turbo sizing.....specific to the needs and objectives of that class truck, vs an F250 with entirely different speed ranges, gearing, etc.

Obviously it would make zero sense to go through the entire process of component changes, just for slight power changes. And when I mean slight, I am referring to it's scaled proportions. When you start with 800tq and drop to 700tq, that is what, a 12.5% delta. For reference, a similar drop with 300tq, takes you to like 270 or so.

As for the Nano, there is in fact different upper end components (heads, cams, intakes, covers, etc. There is no reason to change a short block, other than bore/stroke. The tooling cost alone is major to shuttle a major component through a factory with different bore spacing or pitch, for example. Heck, just the shipping pallets along is a major cost.

Nothing new. Ford has been doing this for years.
I know that some here would not be satisfied until every single component is unique, but they need to get real. Ford's misison is to deliver great product and.....AND increase shareholder value.

Hard to do if you quadruple complexity and cost and reduce profit.

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Same engine denotes nothing changes, so of course it is not the same if output is different.
In the case of the Diesel applications, I don't know of any major changes, other than new cams, timing and possible turbo sizing.....specific to the needs and objectives of that class truck, vs an F250 with entirely different speed ranges, gearing, etc....
I was thinking same parts, but different software tunes and or exhaust modification. One standard, one for the best MPG, and one for greater HP/Torque.

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yup. That too.
Optimization is not just squeezing out a peak power metric. So many factors come into play. An F250 is obviously not optimized for a range anything close to these bigger rigs, that may never even exceed 90mph, with much different work priorities. So with a simple cam swap and boost adjust, you bias that efficiency where it is needed. And not just for power, but efficiency, emissions reduction, haul/tow drivability, longevity, etc.

I think what we are seeing here, clearly, is that F250(as well as the competition) is biasing their big Diesels to create a brochure metric for bragging rights.

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