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Frump has little to nothing to do with this.

Awesome awesome awesome. It's about time Ford got on the ball with electrification. They're falling behind fast! But things like a hybrid F-150 and Mustang will put them towards the top yet again.
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We disagree on Ford's business motivations, but I'm gonna stop the politics here.

This is an AMAZING announcement and I can't wait to buy one of these products.

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By 2020, next gen EB engines that are uniquely built and optimized for hybrids will be available. Todayís hybrids use existing engines with little more than different cam profiles. We have found many ways to further optimize, especially through reduced friction. All combined, these next hybrids will be much more efficient. This is also why I have been pro hybrid instead of EV. And speaking of EV, I bet this new CUV includes AWD. Something currently lacking.
That's good to hear. I anticipated the EB engines making it's way to hybrid duty because of it's intelligence and vast programability to perform based on it's use. Ranging from much more power or more efficiency, and a blending of both. When I read about the 3-cylinder offering cylinder deactivation, I know something was up. Which meant that a 4 cylinder engine could do the same. Intelligent programming for more efficiency along with 'smart' cylinder deactivation should offer the max efficiency.

Which means that the Transit Connect Hybrid taxis that are roaming around a few cities now, are also testing the new EcoBoost Hybrid engine technology as well.

I think that all models sharing the new Focus platform should have e-AWD as an option at least. The Escape Hybrid has been gone for too long, which needs AWD as a CUV. e-AWD is what a next gen MKC needs as well.
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Wonder what happens to the partially built San Luis Potosi plant, and the supplier park development already underway. Plus all the transportation infrastructure that has been done.

Trumps tax breaks and new regulatory rules must be one heck of a sweet deal for Ford to make a decision to walk away from San Luis Potosi.

Also Ford will need to invest quite a chunk of change to add Focus assembly to the Hermosillo plant, being set up for CD size and not C size.

Plus Flat Rock will need a good chunk of change to add this new "small" EV SUV.

Like Fields said in his blurb that it is all about good business for the company, so the incentives from Trump have to be very special to make such a turn.

EDIT: Mexico regrets Ford's decision to cancel plans to build a plant in the central Mexican state of San Luis Potosi and has made sure that the company will reimburse the state for any costs associated with the investment, the government said on Tuesday.
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Wonder what happens to the partially built San Luis Potosi plant, and the supplier park development already underway. Plus all the transportation infrastructure that has been done.

Trumps tax breaks and new regulatory rules must be one heck of a sweet deal for Ford to make a decision to walk away from San Luis Potosi.

Also Ford will need to invest quite a chunk of change to add Focus assembly to the Hermosillo plant, being set up for CD size and not C size.

Plus Flat Rock will need a good chunk of change to add this new "small" EV SUV.

Like Fields said in his blurb that it is all about good business for the company, so the incentives from Trump have to be very special to make such a turn.

EDIT: Mexico regrets Ford's decision to cancel plans to build a plant in the central Mexican state of San Luis Potosi and has made sure that the company will reimburse the state for any costs associated with the investment, the government said on Tuesday.
Maybe they can sell it to GM?

Seriously dude, you act like they built all new roads for this one Ford Plant; not even close.....................

Ford can see which way the current is going, swim against it at your own risk..............

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Seriously dude, you act like they built all new roads for this one Ford Plant; not even close...................................
I realize that BMW is putting up shop in the same neighbourhood.

I am just trying to understand the decision, as the Focus still moving to Mexico has not changed. And the penalties associated with cancelling such a deal has to cost Ford a couple of bucks.

Like I said, the deal from Trump must be a dandy for Ford to be able to do what they planned to do anyway (minus a new factory), but just in a different part of Mexico.

Focus & Fusion coming from the Hermosillo Mx. plant to the USA won't piss off Trump?
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I realize that BMW is putting up shop in the same neighbourhood.

I am just trying to understand the decision, as the Focus still moving to Mexico has not changed. And the penalties associated with cancelling such a deal has to cost Ford a couple of bucks.

Like I said, the deal from Trump must be a dandy for Ford to be able to do what they planned to do anyway (minus a new factory), but just in a different part of Mexico.

Focus & Fusion coming from the Hermosillo Mx. plant to the USA won't piss off Trump?
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If you start building a house, and after you've begun, you realize it is over a sink-hole; do you keep going, because it'll cost you money if you stop? (ignoring the fact it'll cost you even more later)

The Fusion comes from Mexico now, the Focus is still made in the US, and will be until something physically pushes it out.

You are not looking at the net-net; A plant is not being built in Mexico, a plant in the US is expanding, adding production and jobs.

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The extra stuff in the USA was going to happen anyway aka electrification etc, besides the planned Model E.

The Focus was and is still moving to Mexico.
Ford walks away from the new plant and its incentives from the Mexican government - Among the benefits granted to Ford was 280 hectares, the ten-year waiver of payroll tax, ten years of property tax, as well as facilitating everything related to construction licenses.

As I asked before "Focus & Fusion coming from the Hermosillo Mx. plant to the USA won't piss off Trump?"

That is the elephant in Trumps room right? USA cars being built in Mexico and coming across the border tax free to be sold in USA?

Why is Fields making an issue of him and Bill Ford calling the President elect and Vice President elect to tell them the news?

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I've read speculation elsewhere that the two police hybrid vehicles will be Explorer and Expedition. I really expect Ford to discontinue the Taurus and C-Max in North America.

Ford must expect sedan sales to decline for both Focus and Fusion to fit at Hermosillo. I believe jpd80 said elsewhere that the next Focus and Fiesta will share a platform that will not be shared with the Escape, but I wonder if the next North American Focus sedan and Fusion will share a platform, just as the Civic and next generation Accord will.
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If you start building a house, and after you've begun, you realize it is over a sink-hole; do you keep going, because it'll cost you money if you stop? (ignoring the fact it'll cost you even more later)

The Fusion comes from Mexico now, the Focus is still made in the US, and will be until something physically pushes it out.

You are not looking at the net-net; A plant is not being built in Mexico, a plant in the US is expanding, adding production and jobs.
As of 2017 ALL Fusion(some production was at Flat Rock until end of 2016) and MKZ are manufactured in Mexico and Focus and C-Max are moving to Mexico at the same plant. That plant will require major upgrades/expansion to be able to handle c-segment vehicles. No new plant, but major expansion of the current plant in Hermosillo. Expansion there should be close to a Billion.

Remember, there is also a new small/c-segment sedan coming for Lincoln, which should go to Hermosillo also

Expansion at Flat Rock for Mustang + Hybrid, Continental along with the expected New Taurus + Hybrid, and new EV and development center. That expansion is at $700 Million.

So I don't really see any additional benefit that the government can offer. This is just a more responsible business decision on Ford's part with their manufacturing and planning for the future. All production Ford wanted to move, is still moving and more already did under the radar. Construction is just happing at a different plant, not a new one, but construction happening and the dollars are still being spent.
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