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Re: global: First in (Electro-)Ecology? ...in spending?

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- Matt Posky on September 27, 2017


Daimler has fired back after Telsa CEO Elon Musk returned to Twitter to speak his mind on the company’s decision to drop $1 billion into its Alabama plant. The investment is intended to aid production of a forthcoming electric SUV but, earlier this week, Musk said that wasn’t “a lot of money for a giant like Daimler/Mercedes. Wish they’d do more. Off by a zero.”

The following day, the Daimler responded over social media...
...pointed out that it’s actually investing over $10 billion, with only the first billion going into the assembly plant...
Elon Musk is so arrogant! His company, Tesla, will not end well, in part, by his big mouth. Much of my aversion to Tesla cars is due to the umbearable personality of this subject. And to that i see that his company is a trap hunt investors.

When Daimler, BMW, VW , with all of its brands, resources and competence to build good cars start releasing electric vehicles, will remain short of the market for Tesla.

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Re: Global: First in (Electro-)Ecology? ...in trucks?

note: Elon is delaying (INTENTIONALLY) his electro-18-wheeler...

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SURUS: GM's modular platform for silent, self-driving trucks
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- Viknesh Vijayenthiran - Oct 9, 2017

While some automakers look to electrify conventional trucks, General Motors has taken a much more radical approach in its development of next-generation commercial vehicles.

Meet the Silent Utility Rover Universal Superstructure, or SURUS for short.

Unveiled on Friday ahead of the fall meeting of the Association of the United States Army, where it will be presented on Monday, the SURUS is essentially a modular platform designed for heavy-duty trucks that will enable near-silent running, zero harmful emissions, and autonomous operation.

It incorporates GM’s proven truck chassis with a hydrogen fuel cell powertrain and a self-driving system, and was designed to fit a number of commercial and military applications. Possibilities include everything from your normal construction and transport trucks to emergency and military-spec trucks. The platform can also serve as a power generator during emergencies.

There is an electric drive system at each axle for 4-wheel drive. There is also 4-wheel steering for improved maneuverability. A lithium-ion battery powers the vehicle, with the battery kept topped up on the run by the fuel cell. With the hydrogen storage tanks filled, GM says the truck should be able to cover a range of 400 miles.

Then there’s the self-driving capability. GM didn’t go into detail but did say multiple vehicles using the platform can operate in a leader-follower configuration. One could easily imagine a platoon of the vehicles on the highway with only the lead vehicle requiring a driver.

While GM says it is committed to bringing the technology to market, there’s been no mention of when that might happen. It’s likely we’ll see a staggered release of the SURUS’s features. For example, GM has already demonstrated the Chevrolet Colorado-based ZH2 fuel cell truck which the Army is currently testing.

The testing has shown the ZH2 reduced acoustic non-detection distance by 90 percent compared to conventional trucks in operation. This means the ZH2 can get 10 times closer before being detected. The testers also observed the potential advantages for stationary power generation over diesel generators, including a significant reduction in idle noise and fuel use. Testing will continue through spring 2018.

SURUS is just one part of GM’s overarching strategy to eliminate not only emissions but also congestion and crashes. For dealing with the other matters, GM is developing new mobility services, self-driving cars, and cars that communicate with each other and surrounding infrastructure. The automaker also last week announced plans to launch 20 electric cars, including fuel cell cars, by 2023.

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Re: Global: First in (Electro-)Ecology? ...in regulations?

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...China bets big on solar
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- Ben Tracy - October 9, 2017

...China, on the other hand, is doing the opposite. Coal is on the way out and solar power is coming in.

On a farm in northern China, they are planting a new crop: Nearly 200,000 solar panels in the heart of coal country.

In the south, China flipped the switch on the world's largest floating solar installation -- built on top of a lake created by an abandoned coal mine. Projects like these helped China double its solar capacity last year. It is now twice as big as the U.S. capacity.

Nearly half of all the solar installations in the world are now happening in China and they're doing it quickly. Greenpeace says they are installing the equivalent of a soccer field full of solar panels, every hour of every day.


"We have 28 solar power plants in operation in china and three more are under construction," said Maggie Qiu, the executive president of Panda Green Energy. It has installed enough solar panels to power more than 40 million homes.

Qiu said they are building the solar farms because they "intend to bring a better future to our next generations by using such clean energy, reducing the air pollution -- that's the company's mission."

It's also the government's mission. It's spending hundreds of billions of dollars to subsidize renewable energy as China tries to wean itself off coal -- still its dominant power source and the reason for its notoriously toxic air.

But China now produces two-thirds of the world's solar panels and has become a major competitor for the U.S. solar industry, which employs a quarter million of American workers.

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Re: Global: First in (Electro-)Ecology? ...in regulations?

"We have 28 solar power plants in operation in china and three more are under construction," said Maggie Qiu, the executive president of Panda Green Energy. It has installed enough solar panels to power more than 40 million homes.

To put this in perspective, based on the last census, the US has 105 Millon households. Which means with just about 70 solar plants(depending on size), all households in the entire US can be powered by inexpensive, everlasting, unlimited.......solar. Then individual homes and businesses installing their own solar panels/roofs with battery packs reduce the number of solar plants needed.

Get this, Florida...THE SUNSHINE STATE is still fighting against consumers being able to get off the grid and sell back excess power to the power company. GREED!

While those currently in power in the US is focused on opening up coal plants, at the same time the Coal Museum just switched to solar to save on energy costs.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/06/us/coa...rnd/index.html

It may be that the challenge the US has is that the industries that are being disrupted(petroleum, coal, electricity) by the power of the SUN, are fighting to hold on to their revenue stream. GREED! But I think natural gas will hang on for some time since there is nothing better than cooking with gas.

Resisting progress never works out well and reminds me of AOL who was charging by the minute(gouging customers) for internet service and went from $224 Billion in revenue in 2000 to $4.4 Billion in 2016.
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I.O.U. the AstonMartin electric article that I lost and can't re-find

Volkswagen To Challenge Tesla Model 3 With $8K Price Advantage
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- Jon LeSage - July 18, 2017

The Volkswagen ID concept series is getting ready to make a big splash in price competition with the Tesla Model 3.

In a July 13 interview with German automotive publication Automobil Produktion, VW’s chief of corporate strategy Thomas Sedran said the German automaker is preparing to launch within the next few years an all-electric Volkswagen ID model that could be as cheap as $27,000 before incentives.

That’s $8,000 less than the expected starting price of the $35,000 Model 3, which had its first delivery to CEO Elon Musk earlier this month.

VW is playing into being one of the largest automakers in the world, with all the economic benefits of mass-market production and the global sales network that Tesla lacks. In May, VW brand chief Herbert Diess played off that advantage and challenged to beat the Model 3 in sales.

Sedran’s assertions of the $8,000 lower price comes from VW’s long history of selling cheap cars for years at high-production volumes.

Another piece of the pricing puzzle will come from the cost of li-ion batteries, which VW has little control over.

Tesla is counting on reducing costs at its Nevada Gigafactory battery plant – from between the current market average of around about $172 to $229 per kilowatt-hour to less than $115.

VW is still years away from rolling out its ID all-electric vehicles such as the sedan, microbus, and crossover SUV versions revealed over the past year. Earlier this year, the automaker indicated it may have to covert over existing plants to manufacture lithium-ion batteries to be cost competitive.

Tesla is preparing to get its Nevada battery plant and Fremont-Calif. vehicle manufacturing plant up to scale by the end of the year. The company wants to produce 500,000 new vehicles starting next year, and is considering acquiring more property overseas for battery and vehicle production.

Tesla will be changing its identity as it strides forward to mass production scale. CEO Elon Musk is hoping his company will have a few years of experience under its belt to be competitive as automakers such as VW, Daimler, BMW, and General Motors scale up to high volumes of EVs.

Tesla fans are looking for more information on specs and features that will be offered later this year on the Model 3. Potential buyers want to know more about the overall pricing structure, performance ratings, interior dimensions, and other specs.

Musk is spending plenty of time keeping enthusiasm about the Model 3 pumped up.

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Aston Martin’s First Production Electric Car Confirmed For 2019
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- Jason Siu - June 27, 2017

The Aston Martin RapidE will enter production in 2019 as the brand’s first fully electric car.

The British automaker first previewed its all-electric model less than two years ago with a concept, and the production model will be based on the Aston Martin Rapide AMR. The all-electric model will be limited to 155 units and Williams Advanced Engineering has been confirmed to be the lead engineering partner on the car. Williams Advanced Engineering worked on the original RapidE Concept and will assist Aston Martin with the task of engineering integration.

Along with the released sketches, Aston Martin confirmed the all-electric RapidE will deliver four-door sports car looks and the dynamics of the Rapide S, all while being propelled by an all-electric powertrain replacing the 6.0-liter V12 engine. More information on the powertrain will be released at a later date.

“Having unveiled the RapidE Concept back in October 2015, we reach another milestone with the confirmation that we are now putting the first all-electric Aston Martin into production,” said Aston Martin president and CEO, Andy Palmer. “RapidE represents a sustainable future in which Aston Martin’s values of seductive style and supreme performance don’t merely co-exist alongside a new zero-emission powertrain, but are enhanced by it. The internal combustion engine has been at the heart of Aston Martin for more than a century, and will continue to be for years to come. RapidE will showcase Aston Martin’s vision, desire and capability to successfully embrace radical change, delivering a new breed of car that stays true to our ethos and delights our customers.”

This article appears also at Autoguide.com
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Re: Global: First in (Electro-)Ecology? ...in regulations?

For all those who think that the electric vehicle will replace the ICE vehicles tomorrow, or the next decade...


http://www.carscoops.com/2017/10/mar...no-viable.html

"There is no viable economic model for electric car"
"We still dont have a viable economic model for delivering an electric car"
"The industry need to navigate through this process in a combined way between combustion and electrification to yield at least a minimum amount of economic return that allows for our continuity"

Sergio Marchionne.-


So, IMO, Ford is doing what they must to do. To go with caution. Change to electric power gradually...
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Re: Global: First in (Electro-)Ecology? ...in regulations?

Why would a company which makes Billions of profit per year with their existing product, spend all the profits to make a product that would replace their profitable line, while more than likely losing money on every unit sold.
Would a copier company make a new copier which they cannot sell at a profit, and does not require you to purchase ink cartridges, when 95% of their profit is on ink sales?


What happens when the auto companies all switch to electric only, and profits are barely eeked out every quarter. R&D would get slashed, very few models could be offered, advertisment budgets would be non-existent, companies would have to merge or die, cutting massive amounts of employment, putting a strain on our state and local governments.


The companies that survive would be at the mercy of the few countries which have the mineral/chemical requirements for the batteries they need to offer. The governments will get involved, chaos ensues, war breaks out, and instead of nuclear weapons, all they shoot are smog bombs over each other's solar fields, leaving everyone in the dark, with no energy. Before long, horses become the choice for transportation again, and you only have 3 or 4 colors to choose from!
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Why would a company which makes Billions of profit per year with their existing product, spend all the profits to make a product that would replace their profitable line, while more than likely losing money on every unit sold.
Would a copier company make a new copier which they cannot sell at a profit, and does not require you to purchase ink cartridges, when 95% of their profit is on ink sales?


What happens when the auto companies all switch to electric only, and profits are barely eeked out every quarter. R&D would get slashed, very few models could be offered, advertisment budgets would be non-existent, companies would have to merge or die, cutting massive amounts of employment, putting a strain on our state and local governments.


The companies that survive would be at the mercy of the few countries which have the mineral/chemical requirements for the batteries they need to offer. The governments will get involved, chaos ensues, war breaks out, and instead of nuclear weapons, all they shoot are smog bombs over each other's solar fields, leaving everyone in the dark, with no energy. Before long, horses become the choice for transportation again, and you only have 3 or 4 colors to choose from!
This is rather silly. If Ford doesn't do it, somebody else will and somebody else is. Why did Apple create the iPhone if it was going to deprecate the iPod?
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Why did Apple create the iPhone if it was going to deprecate the iPod?
So they could make MORE profit....not LESS!
But this isn't an apples to apples comparison. (oh, crap...it is!)
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Re: Global: First in (Electro-)Ecology? ...in regulations?

wait
if Sergio says that, is the OPPOSITE true?


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So they could make MORE profit....not LESS!
But this isn't an apples to apples comparison. (oh, crap...it is!)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . "applesauce"

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