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^^^^ I feel an electric motor sandwiched between the engine and transmission would make better sense.
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I helped a family member retrieve a car from another city back to metro Detroit recently, a total of about 200 miles each way, and I was amazed at the fuel economy results I got with a brand new F-150 with the updated 3.5L and 10 speed.

Driving to pick up the car and tow dolly, we averaged 20.7mpg on the highway. Our speed averaged around 75mph.
Driving back with the car in tow on the dolly, we averaged 22.3mpg. Our speed averaged around 68mph.

Curiously though, the difference is not entirely due to speed. I did a lot of reset average checks at 65 and 70 mph, and in both cases, we saw improvements with car in tow of over 1mpg. Total weight behind the truck is about 3500lbs.

I think that aero is a big contributor here. The ole Nascar slipstream technique was most certainly in play, as the car was only about 3' behind the truck which have a terrible slipstream to begin with due to bed. So weight means squat, in highway FE. That is my conclusion. That is why shaving 500lbs with Aluminum did nothing to FE, relative to GM trucks. It was more about towing capacity, and perhaps a tiny impact on city FE.

So the fact that we got over 22mpg at 65mph quite easily while towing that much weight, also shows the impact that 10 speeds can have when combine with 470ftlbs of torque. The low torque average was right at the sweet spot, as the truck barely knew it was towing anything. I would tip in slightly, and speed climbed instantly.

Anyway, just one little use case study I thought I would share.
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Gas crisis or power outages.
Two simple examples that explain how PHEV redundancy can be an "elegant" and useful thing to have.
EVs, solar power, and power walls/packs take care of that. In a growing number of cities, solar, wind power and battery packs are the solution for power outages.

"The 129MWh battery, which is paired with a wind farm, is designed to improve the security of electricity supplies across South Australia.
Musk told reporters in Adelaide on Friday the project was not without technical challenges, given it would be the largest battery installation in the world “by a significant margin”.
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...power walls/packs take care of that. In a growing number of cities, solar, wind power and battery packs are the solution for power outages.

"The 129MWh battery, which is paired with a wind farm, is designed to improve the security of electricity supplies across South Australia.

Musk told reporters in Adelaide on Friday the project was not without technical challenges, given it would be the largest battery installation in the world “by a significant margin”.
I was just wondering about Elon's Austalian "Gamble" (he said he'd deliver within a time frame or it's FREE)
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http://www.afr.com/news/elon-musks-t...0170707-gx6y3a

Here is one article.
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engine thread at BON has moved from PTWA (Plasma Transferred Wire Arc) to new v8...including for BRango...

I'm wondering about 2 variants/sizes like Fomoco has done with v6s, maybe 4.4 & 4.8?
maybe even more difference?
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seems like more vehicles could use one in the near future -
Bronco, Ranger, F-150, Raptor, Mustang, Continental, Mark(Z2), STARsomething, Navis, Aviators

or is it too late except for trucks?
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engine thread at BON has moved from PTWA (Plasma Transferred Wire Arc) to new v8...including for BRango...

I'm wondering about 2 variants/sizes like Fomoco has done with v6s, maybe 4.4 & 4.8?
maybe even more difference?
&
seems like more vehicles could use one in the near future -
Bronco, Ranger, F-150, Raptor, Mustang, Continental, Mark(Z2), STARsomething, Navis, Aviators

or is it too late except for trucks?
An EcoBoost V8 in classic sizes like 4.3-liters (260 cu in) V8 and 4.7-liters (289 cu in) would be interesting.


PS: Any news on the new Dragon family of naturally-aspirated Inline-3 engines? I read that a 1.2-liter version will join the 1.5-liter engine that made its debut in the Brazil-spec 2018 EcoSport.
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EVs, solar power, and power walls/packs take care of that. In a growing number of cities, solar, wind power and battery packs are the solution for power outages.

"The 129MWh battery, which is paired with a wind farm, is designed to improve the security of electricity supplies across South Australia.
Musk told reporters in Adelaide on Friday the project was not without technical challenges, given it would be the largest battery installation in the world “by a significant margin”.
Ice storms taking down power lines in colder months often accompanied by weeks without sunshine, kind of puts a big wet blanket on costly wind farm benefits.
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Ice storms taking down power lines in colder months often accompanied by weeks without sunshine, kind of puts a big wet blanket on costly wind farm benefits.
Solar panels don't require direct sunshine but photons from daylight, so even in colder months where there is not much direct sunshine, there will be daylight for those weeks. Because if there was no daylight for weeks, there would be bigger ecological problems..lol

And you are right, wind power is not a good fit for parts of the country/world that is impacted by freezing rain. But photons penetrate through snow and ice and still make it to solar panels and charge battery packs.

Solar is big in Alaska. Below is part of a $7 million solar project in Alaska.

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engine thread at BON has moved from PTWA (Plasma Transferred Wire Arc) to new v8...including for BRango...

I'm wondering about 2 variants/sizes like Fomoco has done with v6s, maybe 4.4 & 4.8?
maybe even more difference?
&
seems like more vehicles could use one in the near future -
Bronco, Ranger, F-150, Raptor, Mustang, Continental, Mark(Z2), STARsomething, Navis, Aviators

or is it too late except for trucks?
Good thoughts but I'm wondering if PWTA gets Ford in the game for a 5.0 & 5.2 1-2 punch..
As nice as Voodoo is, I can't help wondering if we'll see ~500 HP cross plane crank 5.2 v8
somewhere down the track...
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