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Now at least Ford should be ahead of Toyota as it relates to EV technology. But Toyota has the solid state batteries coming to market by 2020.
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...Toyota long maintained skepticism about EVs in favor of the hybrid technology pioneered by its flagship Prius, as well as the potential for hydrogen fuel cells. But the automaker finally joined the EV race late last year when President Akio Toyoda put himself in charge of a new EV Business Planning Department.

The "in-house venture company" is run by four people, including Toyoda. The others ​ come from Toyota Group suppliers Aisin Seiki Co., Denso Corp. and Toyota Industries Corp.

Toyota is expected to start selling the new EVs in China within the next few years.

The company also has said that in the early 2020s, it intends to introduce vehicles with next-generation solid-state batteries, which enable faster charging and longer range.

The North American sourcing investigation also allows Toyota to evaluate competitors, new technologies and suppliers with which the automaker is not working, said Shinichi Yasui, president of Toyota Motor Engineering & Manufacturing for North America and the company's regional r&d chief.

Toyota executives did not identify which suppliers it is examining in North America. But the companies are typically big global players that can deliver a range of systems, Young said.

The key is finding suppliers in North America that can match Toyota's vehicle design structure, Young said. Most of Toyota's vehicles were developed in Japan, making their architectures geared more toward Japanese suppliers than international ones.

"Something needs to change in the system or we will have to work with the supplier to level-up their capability here," Young said. "We're looking at it on a part-by-part basis."

Toyota's search comes amid blossoming supplier investment in an electrified future.

This month, Chinese private investment group GSR Capital said it would buy Nissan Motor Co.'s electric vehicle battery business, including its battery pack plant in Smyrna, Tenn. That move is seen as freeing the factory to deliver to a wider range of customers across the continent.

And in February, Honda Motor Co. announced plans to form a joint venture with Hitachi Automotive Systems to make electric motors, some at Hitachi plants in Kentucky.

Meanwhile, LG Chem is expanding its EV battery plant in Holland, Mich. LG Chem supplies such North American customers as General Motors, Ford and Fiat Chrysler.
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Oh give me a break, the GT is a vanity project from CEO Mark Fields. It has ZERO impact on Ford from a cultural or customer perspective, it's a flash in the pan, an unsustainable 2-year aberration that disappears and has no impact on any other Ford project or technology. I love that it exists, but they could have just as easily sunk that money into an EV instead of a dead-end like this. Ford knows how to waste money as much as the next GM...until the CEO gets fired. I've always said that the moment you see Ford produce halo products like the GT, you know the CEO is probably farting around and neglecting their fiduciary responsibilities.
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The MKC is getting a major facelift for 2019 while the Escape will be all-new in 2020, still confused by this product cadence, especially as it relates to electrification.

So we can put names to more than half of the new electrified products.

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Expedition
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Kuga
MKC
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Model E

The F-150/Expedition/Navigator hybrid will be the biggest news for the EV industry but I suspect GM and RAM will get there first with their 2019 trucks so it's good to get that messaging out ahead of them.

Lincoln could really use an electrified Continental and MKX.
RAM and GM with electrified truck before Ford? Ha! .. They still are pending to catch Ford in the use of aluminum. Once that was accomplished , they will try to put something "electric" in their trucks like Ford.

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Ford is actually exiting the BEV business entirely with the end of the Focus EV. They'll also be down to just 1-Plug-in hybrid with Fusion until 2020. I think this is one of the reasons they want to talk about distant product plans right now because they know it's going to look like they are going in reverse for awhile. But by 2020 they should be closer to catching up to the industry leaders like GM, VW and Toyota which are advancing more aggressively.
Catchig up the industry leaders? Thatīs what you call to produce the first electrified full size pick up truck, the first electrified full size SUV, the first electrified full size luxury SUV, the first electrified pony car? I think rigth now Ford is behind every one in the industry in the electric/hybrid/plug-in-hybrid vehicles field, but by 2020 will be ahead every body.

Is easier to produce a luxury electric sedan (Tesla) with sales around 90000 per year, or a new compact hatchback (VW) , than to produce an electrified version of the best seller vehicle in USA, a pick up truck used for hard work and with sales of more than 800000 units per year. If Ford can do it, will be the leader of the industry in the electric area.

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Do you think the Ford GT is profitable?

Do you think the Audi R8 is profitable? Do you think the Acura NSX is profitable? Those cars, like the Ford GT, are Halo cars... their function is to attract buyers to the dealers , to show the advanced tech and improve the image of the brand, not to produce money. The GT is the perfect halo car-

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Oh give me a break, the GT is a vanity project from CEO Mark Fields. It has ZERO impact on Ford from a cultural or customer perspective, it's a flash in the pan, an unsustainable 2-year aberration that disappears and has no impact on any other Ford project or technology. I love that it exists, but they could have just as easily sunk that money into an EV instead of a dead-end like this. Ford knows how to waste money as much as the next GM...until the CEO gets fired. I've always said that the moment you see Ford produce halo products like the GT, you know the CEO is probably farting around and neglecting their fiduciary responsibilities.

"The GT has ZERO impact on Ford from a cultural or customer perspective" "Is an unsustainable 2 year aberration" " and has no impact on any other Ford project or tech".

Are you sure? Really? Ask customers... ask those customers that want one and cant because all are sold out. Ask the racing industry about this car. And about the use of its tech in other projects (use of carbon fiber, aluminum, Turbo V6 engines, proccesors and computers) , read this article : http://www.pcworld.com/article/29172...-know-why.html

What do you think about this others aberrations like the Audi R8 or the Honda/Acura NSX? Are aberrations, too? Maybe not, because are produced by Audi and Honda.... Or maybe Honda CEO are "neglecting his fiduciary responsabilities" like the Audi CEO, too. Although i tend to think that this last guy is busy approving illegal devices to cheat the enviromental rules and had not time to produce "aberrations".

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Are our electric grids ready for the increased demand due to the electrification of vehicles?

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Catchig up the industry leaders? Thatīs what you call to produce the first electrified full size pick up truck, the first electrified full size SUV, the first electrified full size luxury SUV, the first electrified pony car? I think rigth now Ford is behind every one in the industry in the electric/hybrid/plug-in-hybrid vehicles field, but by 2020 will be ahead every body.

Is easier to produce a luxury electric sedan (Tesla) with sales around 90000 per year, or a new compact hatchback (VW) , than to produce an electrified version of the best seller vehicle in USA, a pick up truck used for hard work and with sales of more than 800000 units per year. If Ford can do it, will be the leader of the industry in the electric area.
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