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I think a lot of Fords decision came because Wall Street has been breathing down their neck to do something radical, killing all their cars is pretty radical. Also Farley said current Fusion customers will get “a great new product” and the automaker has “some really great ideas” for its replacement, which leads me to believe we may get the Mondeo wagon as an Outback like vehicle.
Ford isn't good at innovating. I have no hope that they will find some magic Spell that Will allow them to charge enough and sell enough for a "Carlike" thingy to be successful.

We can't even get a 7 seat Edge.
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I am in the market for a premium compact car with an Independent Rear suspension.
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The Skoda Octavia is a regular sedan but has an A5 trunk.
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^ used to be even better...with a "doppel-batung" [iirc] = both hatch&trunklid in one

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Ford says cars lose money, so they're gone
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- Nick Bunkley - April 30, 2018

DETROIT — Alan Mulally told Ford Motor Co.'s leadership team in 2008 that the automaker wouldn't have a sustainable business if it didn't reduce its dependence on big pickups and SUVs.
Ford's CEO today, Jim Hackett, is taking the company in the opposite direction
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...UBS analyst Colin Langan estimates that Ford loses $800 million a year selling small cars in North America.
[ = not all that much ]
In contrast, Ford indicated that it made more than $3 billion [ie 3-thousand-million] in the first Quarter alone on the "high performing" parts of its business, which Shanks described as "trucks and most utilities."...
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Cutting a part of your line up that loses $8[??]M a year sounds like a good decision.
to most/many of us, $8-HUNDRED-Million sounds like a Lot
BUT
it is [only] 6.6% {or 15%? ...I'm very under the weather} of that $12 Billion // $12-THOUSAND-Million *yearly* profit
imho
there ARE other factors that are harder to quantify
[entry/new customers][one-stop shopping][...
that can make that PerCentage[whatever it is] well spent
...wonder how much yearly ADVERTISING is??
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https://www.carscoops.com/2018/05/fo...-killing-cars/

One of the major issues people have with Ford’s recent move is that it mirrors similar mistakes the automaker, and many others, made when gas prices spiked. The company, though, doesn’t believe it’s making the same faults, as the industry has changed a lot.

Leaving a high-volume segment is still a risky venture for Ford, but Farley believes the company can win customers over with more emotionally-charged products. “We think we can tempt some of those customers with an image upgrade,” stated Farley. “Where Ford does best is where we play to our strength of emotional products.”

Note he just said 'some' of the customers they are about to lose, and expect them to 'upgrade'/pay a base price of $5k to $7k more for a similar compact, midsize or large 'car' than they expected to spend from the competition, for a 5-door sedan Ford will call a crossover/suv.

But the rest of the global auto industry is not playing that 'risky' game...

Other automakers have come out with plans to stick with cars, like General Motors and Volkswagen. GM’s reason for sticking with cars can be traced back to China, while VW believes the body style is more fuel-efficient.

This just sounds taking the ONE Ford plan a bit far, because discontinuing the cars, Ford will just have ONE high volume Ford that's supporting the business....F-Series Trucks.

With Ford crossover and SUV sales declining month after month.....and not planning to replace the 'old' cars, one big miss-step/aluminum shortage/plant strike with F-150 and Ford is screwed. How did the board approve this huge risk?
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2b2 See #238
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DETROIT — Alan Mulally told Ford Motor Co.'s leadership team in 2008 that the automaker wouldn't have a sustainable business if it didn't reduce its dependence on big pickups and SUVs.

It looks like Ford leadership did not listen, and now they are making a desperate move.......in the opposite direction. And it sounds like 'Ford' is taking into account fuel economy, but they may be underestimating the power that EVs will have on the low riding 5-door, sedan or coupe. Where the latter will be the new growth market for new, younger,, single car buyers. Ford thinks they can convince buyers to pay more for a higher riding crossover/suv, when the consumer is wanting a lower riding EV with superior driving dynamics.

Ford thought they could convince compact pick-up buyers to switch to the Transit van.....didn't happen

Lincoln tried to convince luxury car buyers to ditch their RWD luxury performance cars for a FWD, quiet luxury sedan......it's struggling.

It seems the patter Ford is in now is not offering the consumer what the consumer wants, but making what they want, and trying to convince the consumer to make the purchase. I expect this exiting of the sedan market will be reversed quickly as crossovers and SUVs continue to decline or flat for Ford and Lincoln.
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@Bloggin God I hope so.
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@2b2 You said the Focus sedan was spied testing in the US about 5 days before they canceled it...

I wonder if they're doing more testing on it, and will introduce a sportback variant much later? (2021/2022)
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2b2 See #238
oh yeah ... sorry, I'm pretty spacey ... don't remember SAYING that ...
maybe in an article I posted?
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they test pretty much EVERYthing in the U.S, esp Michigan & from Colorado to DeathValley

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True. I hope that's what they're doing though.



It was an article you posted from April 20th. I can't find it.
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A massive fire broke out early Wednesday at an automotive interiors plant in Michigan, reports say.

"The scope of the damage or the impact on the supply chain was not immediately clear. The supplier lists BMW, Ford Motor Co., General Motors and Mercedes-Benz, among others, as customers."
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