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Camaro sales have been dropping since the launch of the current alpha version.

Personally, I think it's styling - the thing looks far too similar to the one it replaced. Not to mention the continuing visibility issue (though it seems people overlooked that before).
I think the looks are the biggest issue. The fact that you have the squint to see the difference between the all new 6th gen and the 5th gen should tell you something. Also the refresh they did for 2019 isnt going to do Chevy an favors.
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With 'everyone' wanting a crossover or SUV.....and not a sedan...how can this be???

New Camry up 2.1% YTD
New Civic up 7.4% for May and flat with 0% change YTD
New E-Class up 22.8% YTD
New 5-Series up 25.5% YTD
Model S up 16.7% for May and up 12% YTD

While Ford Edge was down -30.5% for May and -9.1% YTD
Escape was down -3% for May and -10.8% YTD
MKX was down -5.5% for may and -15.4% YTD

How can this be if what Ford(Profit focused NOT consumer focused) and the media is telling us(just repeating what they are told) is true?

Could it be that consumers don't want OLD cars, but want New Cars more than New or Old crossovers/SUVs?

With the reality being whatever is NEW and designed well, will sell. Whether it's a car, crossover or SUV. But when the consumer is looking for lower cost of ownership, in the mind of the consumer, the car wins every time.
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With 'everyone' wanting a crossover or SUV.....and not a sedan...how can this be???

New Camry up 2.1% YTD
New Civic up 7.4% for May and flat with 0% change YTD
New E-Class up 22.8% YTD
New 5-Series up 25.5% YTD
Model S up 16.7% for May and up 12% YTD

While Ford Edge was down -30.5% for May and -9.1% YTD
Escape was down -3% for May and -10.8% YTD
MKX was down -5.5% for may and -15.4% YTD

How can this be if what Ford(Profit focused NOT consumer focused) and the media is telling us(just repeating what they are told) is true?

Could it be that consumers don't want OLD cars, but want New Cars more than New or Old crossovers/SUVs?

With the reality being whatever is NEW and designed well, will sell. Whether it's a car, crossover or SUV. But when the consumer is looking for lower cost of ownership, in the mind of the consumer, the car wins every time.
Hardly a fair comparison, when you cherry pick all the winners from many brands, and compare only to Ford losers.
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Hardly a fair comparison, when you cherry pick all the winners from many brands, and compare only to Ford losers.
Good point. That is because the winners are the NEW SEDANS and the losers are the old or poorly designed sedans. While if the consumers are kicking sedans to the curb and all want crossovers/suvs, as Ford states, why aren't Ford crossovers/SUVs in those SAME SEGMENTS selling as well as the sedans?

Thats the point and why Ford's message about the decline of the sedan does not add up, no matter how many 'blogs' follow suite. Actual consumer sales rule!
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Ford can dedicate all its assembly plants to build SUVs/crossovers, but if they let those models in the market 10 years without an overhaul, those SUVs/crossovers will sell poor. This is the current situation with the Escape, Edge, Explorer, that are not capable to follow the pace of the segment’s growth.
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With 'everyone' wanting a crossover or SUV.....and not a sedan...how can this be???

New Camry up 2.1% YTD
New Civic up 7.4% for May and flat with 0% change YTD
New E-Class up 22.8% YTD
New 5-Series up 25.5% YTD
Model S up 16.7% for May and up 12% YTD

While Ford Edge was down -30.5% for May and -9.1% YTD
Escape was down -3% for May and -10.8% YTD
MKX was down -5.5% for may and -15.4% YTD

How can this be if what Ford(Profit focused NOT consumer focused) and the media is telling us(just repeating what they are told) is true?

Could it be that consumers don't want OLD cars, but want New Cars more than New or Old crossovers/SUVs?

With the reality being whatever is NEW and designed well, will sell. Whether it's a car, crossover or SUV. But when the consumer is looking for lower cost of ownership, in the mind of the consumer, the car wins every time.
Correction Re Edge sales.
Edge ......12,332 (13,752) (-10.3%)............56,226 (57,846) (-2.8%)
New model is here in a few months time...
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Good point. That is because the winners are the NEW SEDANS and the losers are the old or poorly designed sedans. While if the consumers are kicking sedans to the curb and all want crossovers/suvs, as Ford states, why aren't Ford crossovers/SUVs in those SAME SEGMENTS selling as well as the sedans?

Thats the point and why Ford's message about the decline of the sedan does not add up, no matter how many 'blogs' follow suite. Actual consumer sales rule!
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Good point. That is because the winners are the NEW SEDANS and the losers are the old or poorly designed sedans. While if the consumers are kicking sedans to the curb and all want crossovers/suvs, as Ford states, why aren't Ford crossovers/SUVs in those SAME SEGMENTS selling as well as the sedans?

Thats the point and why Ford's message about the decline of the sedan does not add up, no matter how many 'blogs' follow suite. Actual consumer sales rule!
I am not happy with their decision, but clearly it was made some time ago, which explains WHY they did not update their sedans. Kind of a chicken before egg scenario.
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Ford can dedicate all its assembly plants to build SUVs/crossovers, but if they let those models in the market 10 years without an overhaul, those SUVs/crossovers will sell poor. This is the current situation with the Escape, Edge, Explorer, that are not capable to follow the pace of the segment’s growth.
Yeah....that's what I am seeing. But I think it's because Ford tries to run the model past it's expiration date, then add more trim levels as a 'refresh', for a few years. By that time the competition has evolved a new generation and leading to their next.

My guess is that the longer the model runs, the cheaper it gets to manufacturer, and higher profit margins at lower volume, but just with crossovers and SUVs. That looks like the game that Ford is planning across it's entire lineup long term. But what will they do when the market shifts away from crossovers and SUVs?
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Yeah....that's what I am seeing. But I think it's because Ford tries to run the model past it's expiration date, then add more trim levels as a 'refresh', for a few years. By that time the competition has evolved a new generation and leading to their next.

My guess is that the longer the model runs, the cheaper it gets to manufacturer, and higher profit margins at lower volume, but just with crossovers and SUVs. That looks like the game that Ford is planning across it's entire lineup long term. But what will they do when the market shifts away from crossovers and SUVs?
I think it's more to do with delaying the up front costs of the new product cycle,
stalling lots of product cycles year over year and just doing MCEs saved Ford
billions it used in other areas to fund vehicles like F 150, Super Duty and the
large SUVs, Throw in development of the RWD Aviator/Explorer and we get
a picture of what is the priority and what vehicles are more like volume fillers.

Look at Escape and Explorer even though both are old in comparison to the competition
they still sell reasonably well, would arguably do so with 8-speed auto already in there.
Edge is similar with OK sales and playing a supporting role to Explorer.


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I am not happy with their decision, but clearly it was made some time ago, which explains WHY they did not update their sedans. Kind of a chicken before egg scenario.
On Fusion,

May sales of the hybrid (4,597) and energi (740) are still remarkably strong in a vehicle
where total sales have shrunk to about 12,000 sales. Maybe it deserved one more try with
the 8-speed auto on the 2.0 EB and 2.7 EB, maybe a 2" increase in wheelbase to give it
a large car feel without the width of its Chinese Taurus cousin. It wouldn't cost much to
rework Fusion and make it a much stronger contender against Camry and Accord.
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