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post #21 of 32 (permalink) Old 07-23-2019, 12:53 PM Thread Starter
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Keep in mind that nearly all DCT transmissions including those utilized by VW/ Audi are dry clutch for the torque capacity the Focus required. It is in the TCU, and control software because Ford allowed excessive clutch slip during shifts to try to emulate the shift quality of a traditional automatic.
Most of Audi/VW's DCT are wet clutch, they had recalls with the dry clutch DCTs as well and AFAIK, they have also left dry clutch behind.


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Ford could have easily fixed the issue....swapped the DCT for the 6-Speed that was in the Escape, it would probably increase costs a little bit but they would have kept a lot of customers happy - a happy customer is always a returning customer.

I am wondering how much of the DCT disaster is to blame for the ‘sky is falling’ sales - not only in NA but also in China.
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Most of Audi/VW's DCT are wet clutch, they had recalls with the dry clutch DCTs as well and AFAIK, they have also left dry clutch behind.


https://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/...0160616-gpkryu
Remembering also that I am referring to the accepted knowledge during Focus development.


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They were still wet clutches 🙂

NHTSA is now being pushed to get an investigation going - this could become very expensive for Ford if they indeed forced a recall (but recall with what? If the transmissions are still ****...would NHTSA force a buy back or force Ford to do the right thing - aka drop the 6-Speed in them)

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/f...ocus-congress/

Honestly if I was the CEO I’d be offering dealers extra bonus to make people get rid of these Focus/Fiestas asap....either that or I would be looking to engineers on how to retrofit a different transmission to them...whatever was cheaper to avoid the potential image damage to the brand.
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Shameful of ford. Nice way to treat loyal customers
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Had a buddy with a Focus. He had serious issues with that transmission. They put a second one in it and it seemed to do the trick, though. Maybe he got lucky.
Most get the update and it corrects issues just fine.

Honestly, Ford made some bad mistakes trying to mitigate the bad press, but the fact remains, there was no known issues from the start. Just expected perception concerns, compounded by some manufacturing tolerances and calibration issues. The secondary problems showed up years later with many miles of use, and had zero to do with anything else.

In the last few weeks Ford has issued several additional measures to help Focus customers, including greatly extending warranties. Ford does not leave their customers out to dry, like GM has in the past...cough....ignition lock....cough.

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Had a buddy with a Focus. He had serious issues with that transmission. They put a second one in it and it seemed to do the trick, though. Maybe he got lucky.
Most get the update and it corrects issues just fine.

Honestly, Ford made some bad mistakes trying to mitigate the bad press, but the fact remains, there was no known issues from the start. Just expected perception concerns, compounded by some manufacturing tolerances and calibration issues. The secondary problems showed up years later with many miles of use, and had zero to do with anything else.

In the last few weeks Ford has issued several additional measures to help Focus customers, including greatly extending warranties. Ford does not leave their customers out to dry, like GM has in the past...cough....ignition lock....cough.
Good for you!

The PowerShit destroyed any chance future Focus and Fiesta would have in the market...I know at least 5 people that got rid of their Focus for other brands because of it.
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It's absolutely laughable to believe that Ford is cancelling near zero profit margin cars, because of an outgoing transmission issue.

Wow.

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It's absolutely laughable to believe that Ford is cancelling near zero profit margin cars, because of an outgoing transmission issue.

Wow.
Hey they said they are going to make a cheap car again remember?! They just can’t call it Focus anymore....that bridge is burned.
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Ford has cost many Focus owners an immeasurable harm as far as resale value among many others, and quite frankly their response has been tepid at best.


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"Immeasureable harm."


No overbaked drama there. We are talking about low end economy cars here. A 10% price hit is not exactly going to force Chapter 11 for anyone.
That said, as stated, Ford is taking many additional steps with improved fix for all issues and greatly extending everyone's warranty.

I honestly can't imagine doing more.
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