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Re: EcoBoost predictions

I think the 1.6 EB will come in around 180 hp/180 tq. 2.0 EB will be around 240 hp/250 tq. Possibly 250/250. Although with Hyundai announcing 274 hp/269 tq. for its new 2.0T, who knows, it could be higher. Anything above 225 hp for installation in a Focus ST/SVT would be fine by me.
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re-Re-RE-updated with the refreshed Mondeo's HP
(the yellow cells indicate a specific FoMoCo vehicle with that HP;
the
~~'s mean approximately)



* same MPG as the S-Max's 200hp version to the best of my understanding
** Kepler Motion super-hybrid
From the 2011 Explorer Press Release
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Explorer's available advanced 2.0-liter EcoBoost I-4 delivers the power of a normally aspirated V6 without compromising four-cylinder fuel economy. Aimed at the SUV buyer whose top priority is fuel economy, this turbocharged and intercooled I-4 engine delivers a projected 237 horsepower at 5,500 rpm and 250 lb.-ft. of torque from 1,700 through 4,000 rpm.
No estimated fuel economy number (that I can find) in the Press Release.
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Explorer's available advanced 2.0-liter EcoBoost I-4 delivers the power of a normally aspirated V6 without compromising four-cylinder fuel economy. Aimed at the SUV buyer whose top priority is fuel economy, this turbocharged and intercooled I-4 engine delivers a projected 237 horsepower at 5,500 rpm and 250 lb.-ft. of torque from 1,700 through 4,000 rpm.
No estimated fuel economy number (that I can find) in the Press Release.
tho I won't quite go this far
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It is funny, how many people take Ford initial estimates as absolutes. Have you learned nothing yet??

By the time the vehicle is available for sale, expect everything with a number to increase......... except the price. Look at all of Fords recent introductions, for the proof of this. The Ecoboost 4 will make more than 237hp, and will get better mpg than anyone is predicting (well, almost everyone). The V6 fuel economy will also be better than they are reporting.............. as has every mpg for Ford, for the last couple of years. I would even expect the towing to go up........... and probably surpass the Lambdas.

I do find it to be hilarious that people fall for this same trap, every single time.

Ford is giving out enough information to get people interested. They will go for the kill shortly. (so to speak)
I will bet my maximum wager...

...that it'll be more HP than the Mondeo
(does ONE count? - guess in honor of the nickel, I'll say at least 5HP
tho really hope wingnuts's "north of 250HP" is still correct)

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was wandering around my hard drive and found this chart (actually 2 charts I put together) don't remember where I got it/them around last May.
Thought some might be interested

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finally updated the chart with more displacements
(note: a math mistake is more likely than I prefer, please post any errors)


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[video=youtube;vQH9B9rskhg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQH9B9rskhg[/video]

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members battyr & Jpd @ BON
have searched for & provided sources for ^this^ graphic (that I found Dec'09)

where I found it originally at GreenCarCongress.com

& more amazing

July'09 U.Mich presentation by Dan Kapp of Ford
Future generations of EcoBoost. While the current, first generation of EcoBoost combines basic direct injection and turbocharging technologies to enable downsizing, there are technologies that will continue to augment its capabilities, Kapp said. Broadly, these can be described as:

• EcoBoost–Next Generation (CY 2014-2016). Currently under advanced development, this generation will provide increased BMEP and knock mitigation through the use of technologies such as advanced boosting, cooled EGR and the Miller cycle. The further downsized next-generation technologies can be very synergistic within hybrid applications.

• EcoBoost–Advanced technologies (CY 2017+). Long-term EcoBoost solutions may include more advanced, multi-stage boost systems for higher BMEP capability over a wider range, and extended dilute combustion range. Various types of lean operation are also being investigated for improved BSFC. These systems will also need to deliver very low criteria pollutant levels (e.g., 100% SULEV), and will require developments in combustion management and aftertreatment technology.

The first step is that you have to break through the knock limitation, using things such as cooled EGR or even the characteristics of ethanol fuels, and then much further out, you start to push into some lean operating regime.

I think it is important to note that the engine technologies that complement EcoBoost sometimes aren't the same that you would use on a larger, naturally aspirated engine. So this combustion mode that gets talked about as HCCI is something that as it has been developed really only works under very lightly loaded engine conditions.

But if you carry that to an EcoBoost, once you've downsized it, you don't spend a lot of time at those lightly loaded conditions. There are technologies that we will continue exploring that will deliver more potential out of the engine, Whether or not that ends up being HCCI or some other alterative combustion mode is to be determined. I think we all agree now that HCCI is still in research mode.

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members battyr & Jpd @ BON
have searched for & provided sources for ^this^ graphic (that I found Dec'09)

where I found it originally at GreenCarCongress.com

& more amazing

July'09 U.Mich presentation by Dan Kapp of Ford
Future generations of EcoBoost. While the current, first generation of EcoBoost combines basic direct injection and turbocharging technologies to enable downsizing, there are technologies that will continue to augment its capabilities, Kapp said. Broadly, these can be described as:

EcoBoost–Next Generation (CY 2014-2016). Currently under advanced development, this generation will provide increased BMEP and knock mitigation through the use of technologies such as advanced boosting, cooled EGR and the Miller cycle. The further downsized next-generation technologies can be very synergistic within hybrid applications.
EcoBoost–Advanced technologies (CY 2017+). Long-term EcoBoost solutions may include more advanced, multi-stage boost systems for higher BMEP capability over a wider range, and extended dilute combustion range. Various types of lean operation are also being investigated for improved BSFC. These systems will also need to deliver very low criteria pollutant levels (e.g., 100% SULEV), and will require developments in combustion management and aftertreatment technology.

The first step is that you have to break through the knock limitation, using things such as cooled EGR or even the characteristics of ethanol fuels, and then much further out, you start to push into some lean operating regime.

I think it is important to note that the engine technologies that complement EcoBoost sometimes aren't the same that you would use on a larger, naturally aspirated engine. So this combustion mode that gets talked about as HCCI is something that as it has been developed really only works under very lightly loaded engine conditions.

But if you carry that to an EcoBoost, once you've downsized it, you don't spend a lot of time at those lightly loaded conditions. There are technologies that we will continue exploring that will deliver more potential out of the engine, Whether or not that ends up being HCCI or some other alterative combustion mode is to be determined. I think we all agree now that HCCI is still in research mode.

—Dan Kapp

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finally updated the chart with more displacements
(note: a math mistake is more likely than I prefer, please post any errors)

In what car (beside mustang) would v6 with 450 hp find home?? I know Kepler Motors Motion is rumored to have 550 hp but i doubt we will se 3.5 l with same HP coming in Ford vehicle. Also
3.5 l v6 with 450 hp.. any vehicle (beside mustang and truck) to accomodate that kind of engine?? Is MKR or some lincoln with RWD in plans . How much HP and torque can Taurus chassis and drivetrain handle?
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In what car (beside mustang) would v6 with 450 hp find home??...
...Is MKR or some lincoln with RWD in plans . How much HP and torque can Taurus chassis and drivetrain handle?
tho I've been thinking a 3.5EB closer to 400hp than 450,
& just speculating & perhaps dreaming/delusional
imho
• all/any D3-D4 LINCOLNS or their replacements (not Fords)
• all/any Rwd Lincolns (Mustang AND Falcon co-platforms)
• trucks like you mentioned (different config/tuning)
• *maybe* the Mustang ...depending on the Lincoln sportsedan/coupecabrio and what Mustang's future demographic wants


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